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    Exclamation CA - So tell me, how ya gonna evacuate a wildfire in your EV with no power?

    Map of Northern California Power Outages

    https://www.kqed.org/science/1948809...-power-outages

    Record power shutoffs in California are set to become the new normal

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tdown-wildfire

    California utility faces gripes over deliberate blackouts

    https://apnews.com/014e1056b9ad4ef092ec4a7a1195dfad

    PG&E Office In Oroville Egged As Anger Over Shutoffs Mounts

    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019...le-gets-egged/
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    Gas prices exceed $5 a gallon at some Los Angeles area stations

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/gas-pric...-area-stations

    (Just filled the Jeep at $2.31 a gallon in NH)
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    "You can check out but you can't leave" seems to be the goal.
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    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "You can check out but you can't leave" seems to be the goal.
    Oh they're leaving all right...and spreading their mental sickness everywhere else.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Those that left are now in Oregon and Washington State, lose lose for everyone.

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    Huge mistake for PG&E.

    They are doing a combination of kneeling to the safety Nazis and engaging in some vindictive compliance.

    But what they have really done is waste money, created a whole bunch of new liabilities, admitted guilt, and generated enough bad blood for the communists to “nationalize” them.

    Brilliant!
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    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-11-2019 at 08:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Gas prices exceed $5 a gallon at some Los Angeles area stations

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/gas-pric...-area-stations

    (Just filled the Jeep at $2.31 a gallon in NH)
    Gas doesn't pump without electric power.. either.
    Everybody is $hit out of luck if they were not prepared..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Gas doesn't pump without electric power.. either.
    Everybody is $hit out of luck if they were not prepared..
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Gas prices exceed $5 a gallon at some Los Angeles area stations

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/gas-pric...-area-stations

    (Just filled the Jeep at $2.31 a gallon in NH)
    Petroleum price gouging is a sacred tradition in Kalifornia. Don’t you believe in capitalism?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Prepared..

    But I'll bet there are few trunks with one of those in it.

    Electricity can be generated anyplace there is Sun,, wind or moving water. and charge the batteries.

    In six months all that gas in tanks will be varnish.

    there are practical advantages to EVs beyond the ""eco" bull$hit..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Prepared..

    But I'll bet there are few trunks with one of those in it.

    Electricity can be generated anyplace there is Sun,, wind or moving water. and charge the batteries.

    In six months all that gas in tanks will be varnish.

    there are practical advantages to EVs beyond the ""eco" bull$hit..
    True enough...in the short term you can't carry a Jerry can of electrons though.

    And you can run an ICE vehicle on a wood gasifier if it came down to it.

    I know you're a fan of the electrics, and there are some upsides no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Petroleum price gouging is a sacred tradition in Kalifornia. Don’t you believe in capitalism?
    Is it still Kapitalism when the government does it?
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    I know you're a fan of the electrics, and there are some upsides no doubt.
    Like Bow Thrusters.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Prepared..

    But I'll bet there are few trunks with one of those in it.

    Electricity can be generated anyplace there is Sun,, wind or moving water. and charge the batteries.

    In six months all that gas in tanks will be varnish.

    there are practical advantages to EVs beyond the ""eco" bull$hit..
    Not able to run is not a 'practical advantage' .



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    ...
    In six months all that gas in tanks will be varnish.
    ...
    False; its good with stabilizer for two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Prepared..

    But I'll bet there are few trunks with one of those in it.

    Electricity can be generated anyplace there is Sun,, wind or moving water. and charge the batteries.

    In six months all that gas in tanks will be varnish.

    there are practical advantages to EVs beyond the ""eco" bull$hit..
    I'm in the process of burning 3 y/o ethanol fuel out of the '56, stinks to high heaven!

    It would certainly clog injectors and plug catalytic converters..

    Cleaning a glass float bowl and running a piece of .030 wire through the one barrels jet is painless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Not able to run is not a 'practical advantage' .
    And gas engines won't run without a constant supply of Gas..

    Which some of you think can't be cut off regardless of how dependent on it you are.

    Watch what happens when the Straits are closed...


    I'm looking at alternatives...
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    And gas engines won't run without a constant supply of Gas..

    Which some of you think can't be cut off regardless of how dependent on it you are.

    Watch what happens when the Straits are closed...


    I'm looking at alternatives...
    Best of luck, electric cars won't help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post


    I'm looking at alternatives...
    Veggie oil and mechanical injectors is the best bet.

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    Sounds to me like the goal isn't to actually escape from a wildfire.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Veggie oil and mechanical injectors is the best bet.
    Also good.. around a neighborhood with the resources..

    I am thinking of a Motorhome conversion... with a generator for Hybrid mode.. Could get a couple hundred miles on batteries alone.
    And Charge as you go is way more efficient use of Fuel.

    Drawback is the initial set up.. Batteries are still too Pricey. Though the tech makes them doable.

    Hemp Batteries and Supercaps may be a game changer....and I am watching that.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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