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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When discussing America and Russia it is "our", we are Americans.


    Shouldn't you have use "we" instead "they" for that?


    Or Japanese.
    No, 'we' didn't fight in WWII. My dad did, I didn't. Don't claim glory for something you didn't do.



    When I said 'they' I was referring to this from phil4paul ;
    And though this generation of America hates the notion of our Republic, there are still those over there that remember, and honor our sacrifice.
    So no, I should not have used 'we' instead of 'they' as I was referring to 'those over there'.

    Does that clear things up for you?
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    You'd think Muricans would at least stop pretending to be the Stars Of The Show(TM), tho. The Soviets did the OVERWHELMING majority of dying in the European theatre. Americans are mostly alone in the world in thinking *they* won the war in Europe. The rest of the world rightly *primarily* credits the Soviets. #AmericanExceptionalismDelusion
    "You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor SOB die for his."

    Everyone should probably go to an old folks home and spit on a WWII vet.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    "You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor SOB die for his."

    Everyone should probably go to an old folks home and spit on a WWII vet.
    Well, if they were one of the few probably still alive that were involved in raping German women, I wouldn't be so bothered by that.(and by "few" I mean enough to perpetrate 11,000 rapes in 1945 alone, according to J. Robert Lily's figures)
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Well, if they were one of the few probably still alive that were involved in raping German women, I wouldn't be so bothered by that.(and by "few" I mean enough to perpetrate 11,000 rapes in 1945 alone, according to J. Robert Lily's figures)
    Such a negative existence you live. You might as well become a progressive.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Such a negative existence you live. You might as well become a progressive.

    Comrade, libertarians are defined by (among other things) a loathing of the criminality of the State and its agents, no matter what flag they wear.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    If the US hadn't entered WWI, there would have been no WWII.

    WWI was basically a border war- we had no business being part of that except for helping the MIC. Germany was then blamed for the whole war & made to pay for everything- basically sending them into extreme poverty. Without our "intervention" there would have been no Hitler, no WWII, and all the aftermath that came from it.

    Think about that.
    And no "State of Israel", which was covertly the real goal behind WW2, along with enriching the same bankers that created the State of Israel via the Balfour Declaration, a periodic culling of the global population, and the cover for instituting the American economic system under the socialist model that it is today. Hitler and WW2 created a reason for Jewish to emigrate to the newly created State of Israel. We see how's that worked out to our benefit since
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    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    It was America's air power that won that war.
    Air power alone never won a war.

    Could the USSR have won it without help? Definitely not. Could the U.S. have won it without help? Quite probably, but the price would have been one hell of a lot higher than it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No, 'we' didn't fight in WWII. My dad did, I didn't. Don't claim glory for something you didn't do.
    Why do you think he's a collectivist? Because coopting every accomplishment by every American makes him feel like he does something more useful than playing the obnoxious keyboard warrior 48 hours a week.

    That's not something an individualist can pull off.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-16-2019 at 01:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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    I didn't vote for Trump.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No, 'we' didn't fight in WWII. My dad did, I didn't. Don't claim glory for something you didn't do.



    When I said 'they' I was referring to this from phil4paul ;

    So no, I should not have used 'we' instead of 'they' as I was referring to 'those over there'.

    Does that clear things up for you?
    Where I suggested you should use "we" was where you referred to what was done with the victory and sacrifice.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Well, if they were one of the few probably still alive that were involved in raping German women, I wouldn't be so bothered by that.(and by "few" I mean enough to perpetrate 11,000 rapes in 1945 alone, according to J. Robert Lily's figures)
    Because no other army in the war raped any women and all American soldiers were rapists?

    Hating America is a terrible addiction.
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Because no other army in the war raped any women and all American soldiers were rapists?

    Hating America is a terrible addiction.
    Who said, inferred or implied any of that?

    Are you denying that someone can hate all rapist soldiers and all the wars that enable them? Is that too contrary to the spin you're trying to create?

    Or is this a simple matter of...

    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Who said, inferred or implied any of that?

    Are you denying that someone can hate all rapist soldiers and all the wars that enable them? Is that too contrary to the spin you're trying to create?
    The subject was America vs. Russia in WWII and the specific comment was about going to a nursing home and spitting on American veterans.
    There is no point to bringing up rapists unless it was to imply that Americans were all rapists and probably that they were worse than other countries. (like the "holy" Russians)

    Your disease is so advanced you either can't see America hate anymore or you defend it with misdirection even though you know what it is.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The subject was America vs. Russia in WWII and the specific comment was about going to a nursing home and spitting on American veterans.
    There is no point to bringing up rapists unless it was to imply that Americans were all rapists and probably that they were worse than other countries. (like the "holy" Russians)
    So he's no longer allowed to deplore one rapist, or one group of rapists, or one cataclysm that enabled rapists, without bringing up every rapist everywhere since the beginning of time in laborious detail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Your disease is so advanced you either can't see America hate anymore or you defend it with misdirection even though you know what it is.
    You turn a hate of rape (and nearly every other comment you see) into anti-Americanism, but I have a disease?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-16-2019 at 02:37 PM.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So he's no longer allowed to deplore one rapists, or one group of rapists, or one cataclysm that enabled rapists, without bringing up every rapist everywhere since the beginning of time in laborious detail?



    You turn a hate of rape (and nearly every other comment you see) into anti-Americanism, but I have a disease?
    LOL

    If he or you want to start a topic about rapists you are free to do so but trying to claim that bringing them up in this context isn't tarring all American veterans with the "rapist" brush is just idiotic.
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    Alexis de Torqueville

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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    If he or you want to start a topic about rapists you are free to do so but trying to claim that bringing them up in this context isn't tarring all American veterans with the "rapist" brush is just idiotic.
    Either that or you're trying to derail this thread by turning it into the usual brainless partisan battle.
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Either that or you're trying to derail this thread by turning it into the usual brainless partisan battle.
    Bringing up rapists out of the blue and then defending it is derailing the thread with brainless anti-Americanism.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bringing up rapists out of the blue and then defending it is derailing the thread with brainless anti-Americanism.
    No. It isn't.

    He typed, knowing the bot would consider it an invitation to derail the thread by spewing spin and heaping on the hatefulness...
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bringing up rapists out of the blue and then defending it is derailing the thread with brainless anti-Americanism.
    Hatred for America and it's builders is apparent from the start of this thread. You can't point out the amazing feats that have been accomplished by a sense of national identity without their throwing an Obama "You didn't build that" into the mix. They hate the concept of America, they hate it's sovereignty, and they deplore individuals that don't share their nihilistic worldview. It's that winning libertarian personality. The reason they have grown so large as a party and a movement.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No. It isn't.

    He typed, knowing the bot would consider it an invitation to derail the thread by spewing spin and heaping on the hatefulness...
    He was the one spewing spin and hatefulness and you just admitted he was trolling to cause trouble and get the thread derailed.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Hatred for America and it's builders is apparent from the start of this thread. You can't point out the amazing feats that have been accomplished by a sense of national identity without their throwing an Obama "You didn't build that" into the mix. They hate the concept of America, they hate it's sovereignty, and they deplore individuals that don't share their nihilistic worldview. It's that winning libertarian personality. The reason they have grown so large as a party and a movement.
    This thread seems to have been founded upon a great admiration for the United States of America, and a desire to find a way back to its greatness.

    And it seems the people working hardest to derail it with bickering are those who suffer from the delusion that a politician could possibly make it great again, even though it clearly became great in spite of politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He was the one spewing spin and hatefulness and you just admitted he was trolling to cause trouble and get the thread derailed.
    The spin begins.

    Point your fingers somewhere else, and put that stuff you pull out of your ass in someone else's mouth. I admitted nothing of the sort and you know it (or, at least, the rest of the world does).
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-16-2019 at 02:58 PM.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Hatred for America and it's builders is apparent from the start of this thread. You can't point out the amazing feats that have been accomplished by a sense of national identity without their throwing an Obama "You didn't build that" into the mix. They hate the concept of America, they hate it's sovereignty, and they deplore individuals that don't share their nihilistic worldview. It's that winning libertarian personality. The reason they have grown so large as a party and a movement.
    And then they blame everyone else.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    This thread seems to have been founded upon a great admiration for the United States of America, and a desire to find a way back to its greatness.

    And it seems the people working hardest to derail it with bickering are those who suffer from the delusion that a politician could possibly make it great again, even though it clearly became great in spite of politicians.
    Did you even read the $#@!ing OP? Or are you just blathering on for the sake of blather?

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Did you even read the $#@!ing OP? Or are you just blathering on for the sake of blather?
    You mean the same post that contained this quote?

    Our ancestors were builders and pioneers and mostly fearless.
    The same post that indicates partisan government is the main reason why the U.S. of A. is not currently creating the way it once did?

    We are regulators, auditors, bureaucrats, adjudicators, censors, critics, plaintiffs, defendants, social media junkies and thin-skinned scolds. A distant generation created; we mostly delay, idle and gripe.
    Why, yes. Yes, I did. Why do you ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You mean the same post that contained this quote?



    The same post that indicates partisan government is the main reason why the U.S. of A. is not currently creating the way it once did?



    Why, yes. Yes, I did. Why do you ask?
    Because you completely ignored it and instead made your first post about Swordsmyth. And then YOU cry 'thread derailment.' $#@!ing Christ.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Because you completely ignored it and instead made your first post about Swordsmyth. And then YOU cry 'thread derailment.' $#@!ing Christ.
    Swordshyll is the one who has been making this thread about Swordshyll. For nearly a week now.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Hatred for America and it's builders is apparent from the start of this thread. You can't point out the amazing feats that have been accomplished by a sense of national identity without their throwing an Obama "You didn't build that" into the mix. They hate the concept of America, they hate it's sovereignty, and they deplore individuals that don't share their nihilistic worldview. It's that winning libertarian personality. The reason they have grown so large as a party and a movement.
    Nonsense. There is a vast difference between "America" as a place and "America"(TM) as a State. The former is a place where freemen can (theoretically) voluntarily live and do stuff. The latter is a malevolent force that destroyed most of Europe and lots of Asia last century and is now working on the ME. It is anti-human and anti-life except to the extent that it benefits The State.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Nonsense. There is a vast difference between "America" as a place and "America"(TM) as a State. The former is a place where freemen can (theoretically) voluntarily live and do stuff. The latter is a malevolent force that destroyed most of Europe and lots of Asia last century and is now working on the ME. It is anti-human and anti-life except to the extent that it benefits The State.
    And again America is portrayed as a unique malevolent force as if the rest of the world was pure.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And again America is portrayed as a unique malevolent force as if the rest of the world was pure.
    I didn't see any comment whatsoever about the rest of the world.

    As for whether the United States government is "a unique malevolent force" in the world, I'd be amused to entertain arguments that it isn't.

    I'd say anyone who says anything else is either fooling themselves about how malevolent the Deep State is, or is underestimating the U.S.A.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I didn't see any comment whatsoever about the rest of the world.
    That's the point, the rest of the world is portrayed only as victims of the "evil" America.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    As for whether the United States government is "a unique malevolent force" in the world, I'd be amused to entertain arguments that it isn't.

    I'd say anyone who says anything else is either fooling themselves about how malevolent the Deep State is, or is underestimating the U.S.A.
    You make this too easy, the rest of the world has shown throughout history to be much worse when in power than America, the American empire can't be defended but it is still much less bad than the empires that came before and than many of the countries that exist in its era, any dominant empires or countries that follow the end of the American empire will not be better and will likely be much worse.

    But America hate is an an article of faith to the left and as the disease progresses it demands that America be portrayed as far worse than anyone else, even living in hell under the devil must be preferable.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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    Alexis de Torqueville

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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ...the American empire can't be defended but...
    Can't you even have the decency to put a comma in front of your bare 'but'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ...it is still much less bad than...
    The Lesser of Two Evil Empires?

    If only Reagan could hear you.
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Can't you even have the decency to put a comma in front of your bare 'but'?



    The Lesser of Two Evil Empires?

    If only Reagan could hear you.


    You are the one making the whole rest of the world and all of history the "lesser of two evils" and it isn't true.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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