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    Unpaid bills pile up in Trump rallies’ wake

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...d-bills-039631

    Cities across the country say the president’s campaign has failed to reimburse them for law enforcement costs.

    Donald Trump has raised record amounts of money as a presidential candidate. But he’s still left a slew of unpaid bills in his wake.

    In city after city, across the nation, Trump has failed to pay local officials who provide thousands of dollars’ worth of security assistance to the president’s campaign during his Make America Great Again rallies.

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    In total, at least 10 cities have complained that the campaign has not reimbursed them for services provided by local police and fire departments, totaling more than $840,000, according to a study by the Center for Public Integrity in June.

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    Minneapolis may find itself next on the list after the president picked a fight with the city’s mayor on Tuesday.

    Trump accused Mayor Jacob Frey of overcharging the arena in downtown Minneapolis for services during Trump’s rally, scheduled for Thursday night, alleging that the mayor doesn’t want the president to speak in the overwhelmingly Democratic city.

    “The radical Mayor of Minneapolis, @Jacob_Frey, is abusing his power in an attempt to block the President’s supporters from seeing him speak on Thursday,” Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale tweeted. “We refuse to be bullied by a left-winger resister & won’t let him stifle the speech of @realDonaldTrump or his supporters!”

    The feud comes days after the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee announced a record-breaking fundraising haul —$125 million in the three-month period ending Sept. 30.

    The campaign and the RNC have raised more than $308 million in 2019 alone and have $156 million in the bank. They aim to raise a whopping $1 billion for the re-election. “President Trump has built a juggernaut of a campaign, raising record amounts of money at a record pace,” Parscale boasted in a statement.

    It isn’t the first time Trump, a businessman with a global real estate empire, has faced accusations that he didn’t pay his bills. The complaints from local governments echo decades of accusations by private contractors who claim that Trump didn’t adequately compensate them for their work before he was sworn into office.

    At least 60 lawsuits and more than 200 liens detailed allegations that Trump and his companies failed to pay various businesses and scores of employees for their work, according to an investigation by USA Today in 2016. Those who claimed they were stiffed by the future president included bartenders, painters, real estate brokers and others.

    The Trump campaign declined to answer questions about specific cities.

    “It is the U.S. Secret Service, not the campaign, which coordinates with local law enforcement,” Michael Glassner, the campaign’s chief operating officer, wrote in a statement. “The campaign itself does not contract with local governments for police involvement. All billing inquiries should always go to the Secret Service.”

    But a Secret Service spokesman said the Secret Service does not pay for law enforcement overtime associated with protective visits. “The Secret Service is not funded to pay police overtime and we don’t have a mechanism to do so,” the spokesman said.

    Trump often praises law enforcement. “We love you and will always support you,” he tweeted in January on National Law Enforcement Appreciation Day. But it’s law enforcement agencies that often bill campaigns for helping with crowds, security and closing streets when a candidate comes to town, though some absorb the cost themselves.

    Local officials in at least three cities — El Paso, Texas; Tucson, Ariz.; and Lebanon, Ohio — have said in recent days that bills remain unpaid.

    El Paso billed Trump’s campaign $570,000 for his visit in February, including a one-time late fee of $98,800.

    Lebanon is owed $16,200, mostly to defray the cost of the city’s police department, for an October 2018 event.

    Tucson officials billed Trump’s campaign more than $80,000 for Trump’s visit in 2016 where 180 police officers provided security.

    Of the 10 cities listed in the Center for Public Integrity study, five — Tucson; Green Bay and Eau Claire, Wis.; Burlington, Vt.; and Spokane, Wash. — date back to 2016 when Trump was running for office.
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    ''Cities across the country say the president’s campaign has failed to reimburse them for law enforcement costs.''

    Why on earth should he........

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...m-court-battle

    Trump firm 'refusing to pay' legal bill for windfarm case

    Donald Trump’s family firm is refusing to accept a legal bill worth tens of thousands of pounds after he lost a lengthy court battle against a windfarm near his Aberdeenshire golf course, according to the Scottish government.

    A Scottish court ruled in February this year the Trump Organization had to pay the Scottish government’s legal costs after his attempt to block an 11-turbine windfarm in Aberdeen Bay ended with defeat in the UK supreme court in 2015.

    The Scottish government has said Trump’s firm has refused to accept the sum it had put forward or reach an agreement on costs, so the case is now in the hands of a court-appointed adjudicator.

    “As the amount of expenses has not been agreed, we are awaiting a date for the auditor of the court of session to determine the account. We expect payment when this has been completed,” a government spokeswoman said.

    The case is expected to be heard quickly. Sarah Malone, executive vice-president of the Trump golf resort, said claims the firm had refused to pay the sum sought by the government are incorrect. “This is not in our control,” she said. “The matter is in the hands of the auditors of the court of session and the Scottish ministers.”

    Trump launched his campaign against the Aberdeen Bay windfarm in 2012 after claiming the “monstrous” project, a scheme to test wind turbine technologies, would ruin the view from his golf resort at Menie, north of Aberdeen, and dissuade guests from playing there.

    He took his battle to the Scottish parliament, claiming the country’s heavy investment in onshore windfarms would ruin its tourism industry. In one famous exchange with MSPs, Trump insisted the committee did not need to call any witnesses to verify his claims.

    “I am the evidence,” he said. “I’m an expert in tourism. I have won many, many awards … if you dot your landscape with these horrible, horrible structures, you will do tremendous damage.”

    Trump fell out with Alex Salmond, the then first minister, who had championed Trump’s claims the economic benefits of his Aberdeenshire resort justified bulldozing a very rare dune habitat he was building it on, as well as overriding local planning rules.

    After Trump lost the supreme court case in 2015, Salmond branded him a “loser” and Trump retaliated by describing the then former first minister as a “has-been”.

    Trump alleged Salmond promised him the windfarm would never be built when the pair met for dinner in New York in 2007, before Trump won planning permission for the resort. Salmond denied doing so.

    Trump made good his promise to fight the windfarm, which was backed by the Scottish government, the European Union and prominent major business leaders in Aberdeen who had previously championed his golf resort application, by launching a court challenge against it in 2013.

    Trump’s lawyers alleged in court in 2014 that Salmond had illegally interfered with the windfarm project to ensure it was approved. Those claims were rejected by Scottish civil court judge Lord Doherty. Trump had also tried but failed to become a party in a separate legal battle to stop the Viking wind project, involving 107 turbines, being built on Shetland.

    Trump’s critics claimed the property mogul was complaining about the windfarm to deflect attention from his financial problems in Aberdeenshire, and the dire impact of the 2008 global recession on its prospects.

    Last month the company admitted the 2008 recession and the collapse in oil prices in 2014 had been the reason the resort was never developed in line with Trump’s original plans. The Trump International Golf Club posted a Ł1m annual loss for 2018 last week, the seventh loss in a row. Trump and his family firm have now loaned the business Ł43m and it has yet to turn a profit.
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    zippy charts to follow.

  6. #5
    Hillary Clinton is admittedly guilty of multiple counts of espionage, which exposed the US to
    billions if not trillions of dollars in potential damages, she's not paying, she is not even in prison, where is zippy ?


  7. #6
    Can we get a comparison to previous presidents and if they paid for their visits?

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Can we get a comparison to previous presidents and if they paid for their visits?

    Fraud: Mayor of Minneapolis sent a bill for $530 thousand to host Trump's upcoming rally. Obama was charged $20 thousand in 2008. It appears the mayor is committing fraud.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ly-controversy


    P.S. nobody gets charged for police protection, $20K was just the estimate of the cost.
    Last edited by UWDude; 10-08-2019 at 08:12 PM.
    His Name was Seth Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Zippy, use caution. Media wing could be trying to push old Hillary story under a new headline.

    Clinton hits Trump by recalling her father’s business

    By CATHERINE LUCEYAugust 29, 2016
    WARREN, Mich. (AP)

    “He expected to be paid when he showed up,” Clinton said recently during an event in Warren, Michigan. “He did the work. He paid for the supplies and the labor he often hired to help him on big jobs. I can’t imagine what would have happened to my father and his business if he had gotten a contract from Trump.”
    Clinton hopes to remind voters that despite her years in public life that have left her a multimillionaire, she comes from a middle-class background and understands the life of a small-business owner. She also wants to contrast her biography with that of Trump, who was raised by a successful real estate developer and has drawn criticism for his treatment of small businesses during his career.

    Trump has promoted his business record as a key qualification for the White House. But Trump casinos failed on several occasions. When the Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey went bankrupt in the early 1990s, some contractors who worked on the property went under because Trump’s company didn’t pay what they were owed, according to interviews with The Associated Press.



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    $580k for police protection during a campaign rally. LOL. Mr. Mayor is out of his Gott damned mind. Fugg 'im.

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    police are public servants . I would put them on salary and have all the ones with a day off work these events if I was mayor. Or they can get a real job.
    Do something Danke

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    Now lets see Hillary's unpaid Rallies bills shall we Zippy lefty?

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    Odd to see "free marketeers" arguing that Minneapolis isn't being fair with rally cost pricing, requiring up front payment and deciding what rate they want to charge for their services. Sounds like free market in operation to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Odd to see "free marketeers" arguing that Minneapolis isn't being fair with rally cost pricing, requiring up front payment and deciding what rate they want to charge for their services. Sounds like free market in operation to me.
    Government shake downs are not free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Government shake downs are not free market.
    Ahhh so if it's a price you don't like then it's a shake down instead of a free market price. Got it. It's kinda funny to see one government "shake down" another government that performs "shake downs", sorta like eating their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Ahhh so if it's a price you don't like then it's a shake down instead of a free market price. Got it. It's kinda funny to see one government "shake down" another government that performs "shake downs", sorta like eating their own.
    So you think the city has a right to charge anything at all?
    By what right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Ahhh so if it's a price you don't like then it's a shake down instead of a free market price. Got it. It's kinda funny to see one government "shake down" another government that performs "shake downs", sorta like eating their own.
    If it's the government saying you can't come speak here unless you pay us, then it's a shake down.

    What would you have said if they tried to charge Ron Paul a half a million dollars to speak at UCLA?

    I went and saw him speak at UCLA and it was free for me. Over 10,000 people were there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If it's the government saying you can't come speak here unless you pay us, then it's a shake down.

    What would you have said if they tried to charge Ron Paul a half a million dollars to speak at UCLA?

    I went and saw him speak at UCLA and it was free for me. Over 10,000 people were there.
    I wasn't aware that the Target Center was the only place in the entire state of Minnesota that Trump could hold a rally. Are you going to make them bake a cake for Trump too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Odd to see "free marketeers" arguing that Minneapolis isn't being fair with rally cost pricing, requiring up front payment and deciding what rate they want to charge for their services. Sounds like free market in operation to me.
    Huh? There is nothing at all free market about this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    Huh? There is nothing at all free market about this situation.
    A corporation is charging another corporation what they want to in exchange for their services, under a supply and demand model. Seems pretty market-based to me. Whether one agrees with the rate is subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    A corporation is charging another corporation what they want to in exchange for their services, under a supply and demand model. Seems pretty market-based to me. Whether one agrees with the rate is subjective.
    Wrong.

    A government is charging for services it owes the public in return for taxes already charged and then lying about how much they cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    A corporation is charging another corporation what they want to in exchange for their services, under a supply and demand model. Seems pretty market-based to me. Whether one agrees with the rate is subjective.
    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
    He wants to, he may be required to.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
    How so?


    Or are you one of the many that still don't understand that modern governments are actually corporations? As are political campaigns...

    Two corporations entering contracts for services...free market rules of supply and demand should (and in this case, did) apply. Or are you going to argue about political differences not applying to the free market and that "fairness" should be part of the free market? If so, I hope you didn't argue on behalf of bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay couples (political/religious) or ever say that businesses should be able to raise prices to evacuees from hurricanes.
    Last edited by devil21; 10-12-2019 at 11:11 AM.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
    TDS will do that to you.
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    Hmm. Now why would they need extra “security”?
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  30. #26
    So much winning....

    ‘‘The arena in Minneapolis has been fully approved,’’ campaign manager Brad Parscale wrote in an e-mail to supporters. ‘‘The Target Center has backed off cancelling the contract, which means President Trump’s Keep America Great rally will go on as scheduled. Consistent with our original agreement with the venue, the Trump campaign has not agreed to pay any additional funds.’’
    Shove your shake down, Mayor.

  31. #27
    ^^10,000 is nothing. Trump has like 30-40k people showing up to his rallies.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 10-10-2019 at 04:31 PM.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    10,000 is nothing. Trump has like 30-40k people showing up to his rallies.
    The host cities should have paid Trumps Travel Expenses, and paid for security without biching about it.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    10,000 is nothing. Trump has like 30-40k people showing up to his rallies.
    10,000 is not "nothing" for a Republican Primary candidate who the media claims was getting 1-2% in the polls, and who they had basically convinced most people had already dropped out of the race.

    Also, the arena fit 10,000 people. There were many who got turned away, we don't know how many.. and there were also a lot of people behind the venue, some climbing trees so they could hear him speak.

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  34. #30
    I'll be writing in Ron Paul again, but it doesn't seem like Trump's mislead adherents are provided much security...



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