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Rand has no influence with President Trump! He should run against him in a primary! I am a libertarian strategic genius!
NeoReactionary. American High Tory.
The counter-revolution will not be televised.
lmao so trueOriginally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian
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2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Libertarians who should be opposing Trump don't because they mistakenly believe Rand has influence with Trump.
I am a Trumptard strategic genius, for I have neutralized my enemies and made them support me...
"Libertarians should stay a permanent opposition to everybody and never get anything done and never encourage anyone to work with them or listen to them"
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Libertarians should actively support their enemies."
That would be the strategy that you and other enemies of libertarianism are espousing, and who could blame you.
It's working (for the enemies of libertarianism).
Trump is not an enemy he is an ally that shares many of our interests.
You don't want us to have any allies.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
lol
You have plenty of allies: e.g. the entire Republican Party establishment.You don't want us to have any allies.
We, on the other hand, have very few allies, even among people who call themselves libertarians.
...though I'll take quality over quantity any day.
Do you really still think that Rand vociferously and publicly opposing Trump is good strategy? If so, why? I'm not asking if you disagree with Trump or Rand's policies, I'm specifically asking how such a course of action could be beneficial strategically.
NeoReactionary. American High Tory.
The counter-revolution will not be televised.
I am on the side of Rand Paul and Trump on this.
Screw the neocons and I thank Trump for pushing them back to the Democrat party from whence they came.
Let there be a distinct difference between Rand Paul Republicans and Mitt Romney.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Because, otherwise, the libertarian movement will wither away and effectively cease to exist. This poorly written buddy movie featuring Rand and The Donald serves only to blur the lines between libertarianism and, for example, nationalistic leftism. Libertarians are relatively few in number and will be totally assimilated if those lines aren't kept crisp.
People can now see the warmongers true colors on both sides. War is a big business and they show how much they care about our young men and women. I never thought Lindsey Graham was on the President's side either.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I think Graham is on Trump's side on many issues, but still is a big fan of the interventionist idea when it comes to foreign policy.
Even though Trump is NOT a libertarian, he has done more to advance libertarian goals than any libertarian candidate than I can think of.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
+rep. If Trump is such an ally, people like Rand won't need to be hounding him to do the right thing. Does anyone in their right mind also consider Obama and ally just because he refused to bomb Syria when the deep state asked him to.
Withdrawing the military from this region may actually work in their favor somehow. It doesn't make it a bad move but let's not pretend that this may not at all hurt their mission to destabilize and overthrow the Syrian govt. I would have prefered a peaceful transfer of the land to the legitimate Syrian govt but let's just hope the Syrian govt can retake the region away from the turks
Nonsense, your strategy is to keep libertarians few in number and powerless, we need to get Republicans to listen to us and Rand is doing that.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I think you hurt @Re3volution3.0's butt.
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
The Libertarian movement that Justin Amash screwed himself out of?
LOL. True delusion.
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
It's ironic that we hear how awful our Republican neighbors. However, we are supposed to find allies with millions of immigrants from failed socialist states.
...
And if you criticize Demoncrats you are a "partisan" trying to divide "the people" instead of focusing on the rich.
That sounds a lot like leftist propaganda.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I think I finally found the biggest difference between you and I.
I want nothing more than to live in a libertarian society.
You want nothing more than to be able to label yourself a purist libertarian (or Monarchist, or something..), and have no motivation whatsoever to actually live in a libertarian society.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Don't forget the possibility that he doesn't want anyone to live in a libertarian society.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Political "influence" should not be the goal. Political power should be.
If they don't fear you, then they don't respect you.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
It depends.
If done in a way like Justin did, then no.
If done in a way like Thomas does, then yes.
Rand's problem will be that he will sell out a bunch of other things in order to move forward on foreign policy (already has). Except that he doesn't have the power over Trump (or is unwilling to exercise it) for fear of pissing off Trump.
There is nothing wrong in this situation with saying good things about Trump and having a working relationship with him. But not at the expense of calling him out on other bad things he does (gun control, deep state appointments, etc).
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
You can't get power until you have influence unless you are massively wealthy.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
That's what happens when you eat your own
Not true. Power, like wealth, can be built over time.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
The Turks invaded northern Syria today, running over the lovely (nationalist, communist) Kurdish allies of the US.
I'll sleep just fine.
It doesn't much matter who rules Syria, so long as someone does.
...total chaos and civil war (compliments of Bolton-esque efforts at quiet regime change) have been the problem.
Shine those boots
People say that I am a communist but if that was true, how come I am against the thieving, invading, backstabbing, Marxists communists in the Kurds? Also, hope the Turks turn around and leave once they have crushed this barbaric and traitorous nomadic tribe. Its only fair that they get dealth with for the last time in that region.
Well jules, I for one cannot quite figure out your politics.
But, in any event, you're exactly right about those rotten swine, barbarian, mercenary, bolshevik, terrorist Kurds.
...whom our government supports, naturally.
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