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    Not Impeachment, But a Coup: a Disgusting Defense of Collapsing Imperial Order

    As the Democratic Party leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives are racing to impeach Donald Trump, the President tweeted on October 1, "As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a coup." The Democrats who have begun impeachment proceedings, such as Representatives Adam Schiff and Jerrold Nadler, have been demanding the removal of Trump from office since virtually the day of his inauguration. With the announcement of a "whistle blower's" complaint that Trump abused his position to demand that Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky aid in digging up "dirt" on Joe Biden, his possible opponent in 2020, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who had previously tried to tamp down discussion of impeachment, suddenly shifted her position on September 24, and the race for impeachment was on.
    What led to this sudden rush to judgement against Trump?
    There are three significant reasons for the flight-forward lunacy coming from the anti-Trump crowd:
    1. The investigation launched by Attorney General William Barr into the origin of the whole fabricated Russiagate fiasco, which was first announced by President Trump on May 24, is moving into a decisive phase. In that announcement, Trump said he tasked Barr with the job of conducting a broad probe, saying he hopes he looks into the role of the United Kingdom, Australia and Ukraine, at a minimum. Along with the soon-to-be-revealed findings of Justice Department Inspector General Horowitz on fraud committed by Obama administration intelligence officials in obtaining FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign, Barr and U.S. Attorney John Durham are honing in on the networks which launched the attack against Trump. They are investigating what role was played by foreign governments in the operations against the Trump campaign in 2016, and then in the regime change coup against him after his election. What they will likely prove is that Russiagate was a continuation of British imperial geopolitical manipulations to insure that there could be no improvement in U.S.-Russian relations, with Ukraine serving as a key battleground to disrupt Trump's efforts to develop cooperative relations with Russia. The February 2014 regime change coup against a democratically-elected government in Ukraine was run by British and U.S. intelligence operatives, working with "left-wing" Soros' -funded networks and "right-wing" neocons, who backed violent Nazi militia networks involved in the Maidan Square uprising. The point man for the Obama administration in handling Ukraine was Vice President Joe Biden.
    2. The failure of the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller to find evidence of Russian meddling, Trump collusion with Russia, and obstruction of justice by the President, freed him to move forward with his intent to improve relations with Russia. The firing of the Director of National Intelligence Coats and National Security Adviser Bolton, both of whom are committed war hawks who had been acting within the administration against Trump's desires to put an end to the regime change wars of the last two decades, demonstrated that he was now taking control of his administration, especially its foreign policy. This has been a fear of the imperial geopoliticians from the beginning of his presidency, and it was reaffirmed by his discussions at the Osaka G20 summit with Putin, Xi, India's Modi, and then his trip to meet with North Korean President Kim following the summit, that he is committed to follow through with his intent to pull the U.S. out of the provocative strategic geometry of his predecessors, Bush and Obama. The potential for a realignment organized by Trump, outside the Old Paradigm defined by geopolitics, represents an existential threat to the Trans-Atlantic elites who have used divide-and-conquer schemes and endless regional wars to enforce their designs.
    3. The onrush of a financial crisis, which combines the threat of the popping of the "everything bubble" with the collapse of a staggering volume of unsustainable debt, has been met by the global financial elites and their central bank operatives by a return to short-term bailouts, in the form of overnight loans of up to $75 billion per day to "ease" a liquidity crunch, and a concerted push for creating a new Green financial bubble. The recent threat by Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, at the U.N. Climate Summit, that those banks and firms which do not accept a Green financial dictatorship will be cut off from credit by central banks, is a key feature of this agenda. Trump's repeated denunciations of the Federal Reserve policy, combined with his open rejection of the fraud of "man-made climate change", has heightened the panic of these financial circles that he may respond to the collapse with economic nationalist measures, which reflect the influence of American economist and statesman Lyndon LaRouche. Those behind Russiagate come from the same circles as those who ran the persecution of LaRouche, including William Weld, who is running against Trump for the Republican nomination, and Robert Mueller, who took over from Weld the running of the Get LaRouche task force.
    Why Ukraine?
    The excuse for launching the latest impeachment frenzy is the release of a "whistle blower's" report on a call made by Trump to Ukraine's new President Zelensky, on July 25. Trump acknowledges that in that conversation, he asked for Zelensky's aid in investigating leads into the role of Ukrainian networks in setting Russiagate into motion, as well as the involvement of Joe Biden, when he was Vice President, in shutting down an investigation into charges of corruption involving his son, Hunter, who was a board member of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma. Trump attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who has been looking into a variety of leads involving Ukraine, stated that he began the investigation because he believed "there was a lot of evidence" that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Clinton campaign -- which were involved in launching the initial charges against the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016 -- "had a close connection to Ukrainian officials."
    Among matters under investigation, in addition to the charges of Biden's personal role in shutting down an investigation into his son's role at Burisma, by threatening to cancel aid to Ukraine if the prosecutor in that case was not fired immediately, was the surfacing of a "black book", which was allegedly a ledger of payments to Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, from the Yanukovych government. While this ledger was never produced as evidence, its purported existence was used by Mueller in the conviction of Manafort for money laundering. Manafort's conviction was the first big success for Mueller. Giuliani said that Manafort's attorney told him that the "black book" did not exist! In addition to Giuliani's probe, Senators Grassley and Johnson wrote a letter to Barr saying they will investigate the Ukrainian government's role on behalf of the Clinton campaign in framing Manafort. "Such allegations of corruption deserve due scrutiny," they wrote in the letter.
    While the wealth of details about the leads from Ukraine is beyond the scope of this article, there are several points which must be made (1.). One involves the dirty role played by lead impeachment operative Rep. Schiff, who knew of the charges against Trump before the whistle blower filed his complaint. The whistle blower, who has been identified by the New York Times as a CIA official, approached a House Intelligence Committee aide to brief him, before filing his complaint. The aide then reported to Schiff, the Committee chair, raising the question of whether or not Schiff played a role in drafting what was contained in the complaint.
    Secondly, there is the question raised by Trump of looking into whether CrowdStrike, the firm which claimed it had proof of Russian hacking of the DNC server, which it was supposed to be protecting, had moved that server to Ukraine. There are many reports of Ukrainian hackers having left digital finger prints all over elements of Russiagate, working with networks in the NSA and CIA. The CrowdStrike claim of Russian "hacking" was never proven -- in fact, the server was never given to the FBI to investigate, and the only forensic investigation into the charges of Russian hacking, by former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney and associates, demonstrated that the Clinton/DNC files were not hacked, but captured through a download, i.e., were taken as a result of an "inside" job.
    Third is the simple fact that the Putin-hating networks involved in the Ukraine coup overlap those trying to frame Trump in Russiagate. These include "ex"-MI6 operative Christopher Steele, of the notorious "pee-pee" dossier, funded by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, who worked with State Department official Jonathan Winer, in filing dozens of reports on Ukraine in the period of the 2014 coup; the Soros networks, which provided funds for both the Ukrainian uprising and the anti-Trump insurgency; a variety of anti-Trump neocons; and CIA and U.S. intel operatives, in collusion with Russophobes and Trump regime change plotters John Brennan, the former CIA Director, and James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence. There are reports that both Brennan and Clapper are terrified by the Durham investigation. Brennan has not only been a leading instigator in demanding impeachment, but responded to the latest whistle blower report by calling for more whistle blowers to come forward. In contrast, when he was CIA chief, he took the lead in demanding prosecution of those who blew the whistle on his dirty ops, including torture and illegal spying on Americans.

    More at: https://harley.larouchepac.com/not_i...imperial_order
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    Larouchies are dedicated, I'll give them that.
    It's like some unholy alliance of the unlikeliest characters is forming in opposition to the professional AI take over.
    His Name was Seth Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Larouchies are dedicated, I'll give them that.
    It's like some unholy alliance of the unlikeliest characters is forming in opposition to the professional AI take over.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Larouchies are dedicated, I'll give them that.
    It's like some unholy alliance of the unlikeliest characters is forming in opposition to the professional AI take over.
    Sounds like someone's been watching bad sci fi on acid. How does that go again?

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    The rest of you were too sane and resisting division too much to own up to braying such a stupid conspiracy theory that was CLEARLY false.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.
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    I didn't vote for Trump.
    A POX ON BOTH YOUR PARTIES

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Larouchies are dedicated, I'll give them that.
    It's like some unholy alliance of the unlikeliest characters is forming in opposition to the professional AI take over.
    Unlikeliest?

    Hardly.

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    The Syria pullout will make the empire even more desperate, desperate people do stupid things.
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    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/sta...57119286140929



    What was it Judge Swamp said about it supposedly being an impeachable offense if there wasn't an investigation in the US?
    Now that is double stupid.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Alexis de Torqueville

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    The word “coup” shifted to a new level of formalized meaning last week when members of the political resistance showed up to remove President Trump wearing military uniforms.
    Not only did U.S. military leadership remain silent to the optics and purpose, but in the testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman he admits to giving instructions to ignore the instructions from a sitting United States President.
    In the absence of push-back from the Joint Chiefs, from this moment forth, the impression is tacit U.S. military support for the Vindman objective.


    Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, a National Security Council official, testified before congressional committees conducting an impeachment inquiry on October 29, wearing a full military uniform.
    To date there has been no visible comment from U.S. military sanctioning Lt. Col. Vindman for his decision; or correcting the impression represented by Vindman’s military appearance. The willful blindness is concerning, but it gets much worse.

    Beyond the debate about the optics of the “coup“, within the testimony of Lt. Col Vindman, the witness readily admits to understanding the officially established policy of the President of The United States (an agreement between President Trump and President Zelenskyy), and stunningly admits that two weeks later he was giving instructions to his Ukrainian counterpart to ignore those instructions and policies.
    The coup against President Donald Trump went from soft, to hard. Consider…
    The testimony from Lt. Col. Vindman is available here. [SCRIBD pdf below]


    More at: https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-29th-2019/
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    President Trump calls it a witch hunt, but it really is a coup against American democracy. The Democrats who want Trump impeached don’t realize this. They just want Trump impeached because they don’t like him. The impeach Trump people don’t understand that if the coup against the elected president succeeds, every future president will know that if he attempts to “drain the swamp” or bring any changes not acceptable to the ruling elite, he, too, will be destroyed. Voters who want real change will also get the message and give up trying to elect a president or members of the House and Senate who will be responsive to voters. It will mean the end of democracy and accountable government. Unhindered rule by the Deep State and associated elites will take democracy’s place.

    It is unfortunate that progressives do not understand this. Progressives want real change and Trump impeached, but these desires are at variance with one another.
    Few, if any, of the impeach Trump crowd are paying any attention to the fabricated case against Trump that has taken the place of the Russiagate fabrication that failed. They could not care less what the case is or whether it is a fabrication. Dislike of Trump suffices.
    Nevertheless, let’s look at the fabricated case.
    First of all, the alleged whistleblower is not a legitimate whistleblower. He is Eric Ciaramella, a CIA officer with a second-hand complaint who met with House Intelligence (sic) chairman Adam Schiff a month ahead to orchestrate the event. Ciaramella served on Obama’s staff when VP Joe Biden was point man for Ukraine. Ciaramella also worked with CIA Director John Brennan, the architect of “Russiagate,” and with a Democratic National Committee operative who encouraged Ukraine officials to come up with dirt on President Trump.
    All of this and more has caused the “whistleblower” to withdraw from testifying.
    Desperate for a substitute, Democrats have come up with tainted career bureaucrats who favor military aid to Ukraine and a hard line toward Russia. Bill Taylor a US diplomat in Ukraine claims that Trump’s ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, said that US military aid to Ukraine was conditional on Ukraine reopening the government’s investigation into the Ukrainian company, Burisma, an investigation that VP Joe Biden had closed down. Burisma is the company that paid as much as $1.75 million to Biden and his son.
    Taylor claims that another bureaucrat, Tim Morrison, told him that Sondland communicated the “quid pro quo” to an aide to Zelensky.
    Sondland rejects the claims by Taylor and Morrison.
    A Ukrainian born rabid anti-Russian US Army officer serving on the National Security Council, Alexander Vindman, also offers two cents of unverified quid pro quo claims. Vindman’s motive seems to be that President Trump is inclined to follow a different policy toward Ukraine than Vindman prefers.
    This is the extent of the case against Trump. Amazingly weak considering that Ukrainian president Zelensky has stated publicly that there was no quid pro quo and that the released transcript of the Trump-Zelensky conversation shows no quid pro quo.
    Now for the issue of the alleged quid pro quo. It seems that everyone on both sides of the argument takes for granted without a second of thought that if there was a quid pro quo, there was an offense, possibly one sufficiently offensive to warrant impeachment. This is utter ignorant nonsense.
    Quid pro quos are endemic in US foreign policy and always have been. The US government offered Ecuador president Lenin Moreno a $4.2 billion IMF loan in exchange for revoking Julian Assange’s asylum. Moreno took the deal.
    Washington offered the Venezuelan military money to overthrow President Maduro. The military refused the offer.
    Dozens of examples come readily to mind. Research would produce enough to fill a book.
    What do you think the sanctions are that the US president places on countries? They are punishments that Washington imposes for not accepting Washington’s deal.
    As for a quid pro quo deal between the US executive branch and president of Ukraine, we have VP Joe Biden’s boast that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating corruption in the firm that had purchased US protection by putting Biden’s son, Hunter, on Burisma’s board. Joe Biden brags in front of the Council on Foreign Relations that he gave the Ukrainian president 6 hours to fire the prosecutor or forfeit $1 billion in US aid.


    Finally, there is the question of the whistleblower law. If this interpretation sent to me by a reliable source is correct, there is no basis in law for the alleged whistleblower complaint.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ican-democracy

    The “Whistleblower Complaint” Is an Orchestration Not in Compliance with Whistleblower Law
    This has come to me from a knowledgeable source:
    1—-The statute allowing such complaints is 50 USC sec. 3033. Read it for yourself.
    a–The statute requires the complaint to involve “intelligence activity”. The “intelligence activity whistle blower complaint” we have been talking about has nothing to do with “intelligence activity” as legally required by the statute. Since this complaint was filed, accepted and treated as legitimate, was the drafting, filing, and handling of this particular “intelligence activity whistle blower complaint” a political act rather than whistle blowing?
    b–Under the statute the whistle blowing must concern either a person or activity that is under the authority of the Director of National Intelligence. One cannot use this statute to whistle blow to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, a subordinate official of the DNI, on anything that the DNI has no authority over. In other words, nothing in the statute allows an “intelligence activity whistleblower” complaint to be made concerning the president or his phone calls. Such matters are not supervised by the DNI and are outside the jurisdiction of this statute. The acceptance of this complaint by the IG was improper under the clear language of the statute. The same would be true about complaints regarding other government activities under the authority of other government agencies or branches.
    Conclusion? If the complaint was improper under the statute, it was improperly filed, improperly accepted, and the filer was not even a whistleblower as defined in the statute. How and why did this happen? Who drafted the complaint? Surely not the “whistleblower” alone. Did members of the national security establishment and/or members of Congress assist? If this can be shown, then shouldn’t this be considered a political complaint drafted to support impeachment proceedings and to divert our attention from upcoming events. If demonstrated to be true, this will be seen by many Americans as an attempted coup against a president elected under the procedures outlined in our the constitution. Forget Trump—this is about the unity of our country and our democracy—or what’s left of it. The demand that Trump be impeached is so intense within the Democratic Party that even early doubters like Tulsi Gabbard have been forced to toe the line. Fasten your seat belts, I suspect this will get very nasty.
    2—There is a Clinton era treaty with Ukraine signed in 2000 I did not know existed which seems to authorize the very conversation Trump was having with the President of Ukraine. Here is the treaty language:
    Article 1 that “[t]he Contracting States shall provide mutual assistance, in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty, in connection with the investigation, prosecution, and prevention of offenses, and in proceedings related to criminal matters.”
    3—This has harmed the standing of Zelensky. When this became public, Zelensky was involved in intense negotiations with Russia in hopes of ending the war in the Donbass and improving Ukrainian/Russian relations. Was part of the motivation for the filing this complainan effort to derail those negotiations? In other words, was the filing of this complaint triggered more by fears on the part of the US deep state that Zelensky’s may actually make peace with Russian rather than constitutional concerns or fear of cutting military aid to Ukraine? In other words, was the CIA/MIC afraid that peace might break out? BTW—as another e-mail will show, this entire debacle has been politically damaging to Zelensky. This is yet another serious consequence.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...tleblower-law/
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    Democrats in Congress, Democratic operatives in the deep state, and co-conspirators in the corporate leftist propaganda conglomerate are attempting to drive Trump from office. This hyperpartisan process rightly has been called an attempted coup. It is also a brazen fraud. In the immortal words of Woody Allen’s Fielding Melish, “it is a travesty . . . a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.”
    But in a deeper sense, isn’t it clear that the coup has already happened? By trying to overthrow the results of a presidential election, the political elite is merely showing its hand; America has an elite that believes it now rules in America. We have an elite that does not accept the American idea of government—government by, for, and of the people.
    According to our self-selected rulers, the election of Hillary Clinton was the whole point of 2016. They had designated Hillary to succeed Obama. She was to continue the project of fundamentally transforming America that was the focus of the Obama Administration. The voters were supposed to ratify the elite’s selection of Clinton.


    But voters failed to do what they were supposed to do. From their point of view, if you voted for Trump, you let them down. By voting for Trump, you enraged the people who have designated themselves to rule you.
    They are far beyond merely disappointed in you. You are a deplorable if you voted for Trump or if you have come around to supporting him. The people who are asserting that they rule America intend to teach you a lesson: “You have disappointed us, and we are going all out—with this fraudulent attempt to impeach Trump, with hyperpartisan ‘journalism,’ and by means of open borders, ballot harvesting, armies of dead people voting, whatever it takes—to make certain that this never happens again. Let this be a lesson to you about what voting means and what voting does not mean in the new, fundamentally transformed America.”

    The truth about those who intend to rule us with or without our consent is that, instead of putting America first, they have been using the power of government to advance an anti-American agenda—open borders, hollowing out our economy to the benefit of the Chinese, drowning the American voter in a flood of Muslims and people from the Third World; the list goes on and on.


    Trump, of course, represents a threat to the elite’s project of selling America down the river. He has to be stopped, and those Americans who have not gotten with the program for America the elite has chosen for us must be taught a hard lesson about who now rules in America.


    https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/10/h...eady-happened/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    It's ironic that the Trump apologists are wailing about the impeachment proceedings being a threat to democracy. They're oblivious to the fact that Trump is President only because of the Electoral College, a profoundly undemocratic institution.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    It's ironic that the Trump apologists are wailing about the impeachment proceedings being a threat to democracy. They're oblivious to the fact that Trump is President only because of the Electoral College, a profoundly undemocratic institution.
    Federal Republicansm>Democracy>Tyranny.
    The phony impeachment coup threatens to take us to tyranny.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    It's ironic that the Trump apologists are wailing about the impeachment proceedings being a threat to democracy. They're oblivious to the fact that Trump is President only because of the Electoral College, a profoundly undemocratic institution.
    The Electoral College kept a tyrant Hillary out of office which is what it was supposed to do.

  16. #14
    There are at least 10 reasons why the Dem impeachment “inquiry” is really a coup.
    1) Impeachment 24/7. The “inquiry,” supposedly prompted by President Trump’s Ukrainian call, is only the most recent coup seeking to overturn the 2016 election.
    Usually, the serial futile attempts — with the exception of the Mueller debacle — were characterized by about a month of media hysteria. We remember the voting-machines-fraud hoax, the Logan Act, the Emoluments Clause, the 25th Amendment, the McCabe-Rosenstein faux coup and various Michael Avenatti-Stormy Daniels-Michael Cohen psychodramas. Ukraine, then, isn’t unique, but simply another mini-coup.
    2) False whistleblowers. The “whistleblower” is no whistleblower by any common definition of the noun. He has no incriminating documents, no information at all. He doesn’t even have firsthand evidence of wrongdoing.
    Instead, the whistleblower relied on secondhand water-cooler gossip about a leaked presidential call. Even his mangled version of the call didn’t match that of official transcribers.

    He wasn’t disinterested but had a long history of partisanship. He was a protťgť of many of Trump’s most adamant opponents, including Susan Rice, John Brennan and Joe Biden. He did not follow protocol by going first to the inspector general but instead caucused with the staff of Rep. Adam Schiff’s impeachment inquiry. Neither the whistleblower nor his doppelganger, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, was bothered by the activities of the Bidens or by the Obama decision not to arm Ukraine. Their outrage, in other words, was not about Ukraine but over Trump.
    3) First-term impeachment. The Clinton and Nixon inquiries were directed at second-term presidencies, when there were no more electoral remedies for alleged wrongdoing. By contrast, Trump is up for election in less than a year. Impeachment, then, seems a partisan exercise in either circumventing a referendum election or in damaging a president seeking re-election.
    4) No special-counsel finding. In the past, special counsels have found felonious presidential behavior, such as cited in Leon Jaworski’s and Ken Starr’s investigations. By contrast, special counsel Robert Mueller spent 22 months and $35 million, and yet his largely partisan law and investigative team found no “collusion” and no actionable presidential obstruction of that non-crime.
    5) No bipartisanship. There was broad bipartisan support for the Nixon impeachment inquiry and even some for the Clinton impeachment. There is none for the Schiff impeachment effort.
    6) No high crimes or misdemeanors. There is no proof of any actual crime. Asking a foreign head of state to look into past corruption is pro forma. That Joe Biden is now Trump’s potential rival doesn’t exculpate possible wrongdoing in his past as vice president, when his son used the Biden name for lucrative gain.
    In other words, it is certainly not a crime for a president to adapt his own foreign policy to fit particular countries nor to request of a foreign government with a history of corruption seeking US aid to ensure that it has not in the past colluded with prior US officials in suspicious activity.

    7) Thought crimes? Even if there were ever a quid, there is no quo: Unlike the case of the Obama administration, the Trump administration did supply arms to Ukraine, and the Ukrainians apparently did not reinvestigate the Bidens.
    8) Double standards. There is now no standard of equality under the law. Instead, we are entering the jurisprudence of junta politics. If an alleged quid pro quo is an impeachable offense, should Biden have been impeached or indicted for clearly leveraging the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor for dubious reasons by threats of withholding US aid?
    9) The Schiff factor. Schiff is now de facto chief impeachment prosecutor. He has repeatedly lied about the certainty of impending Mueller indictments or bombshells. He flat-out lied that he and his staff had no prior contact with the whistleblower. He made up a version of the Trump call that didn’t represent the transcript, and when called out, he begged off by claiming he was offering a “parody.”
    Tradition and protocol argue that the proper place for impeachment inquiries and investigations is the House Judiciary Committee. The hyperpartisan Schiff has hijacked that committee’s historic role.
    10) Precedent. The indiscriminate efforts to remove Trump over the past three years, when coupled with the latest impeachment gambit, have now set a precedent in which the out party can use impeachment as a tool to embarrass, threaten or seek to remove a sitting president and reverse an election. We are witnessing constitutional government dissipating before our eyes.

    https://nypost.com/2019/11/12/10-rea...really-a-coup/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  17. #15
    Good to know we got some bootlickers here who will kiss up to the President no matter what he does. What happened to "government should be afraid of their people, not vice versa"?

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    It's ironic that the Trump apologists are wailing about the impeachment proceedings being a threat to democracy. They're oblivious to the fact that Trump is President only because of the Electoral College, a profoundly undemocratic institution.
    you're seriously surprised Trump's supporters are hypocrites?



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Good to know we got some bootlickers here who will kiss up to the President no matter what he does. What happened to "government should be afraid of their people, not vice versa"?
    You are the one licking the boot of the deepstate.
    The deepstate has declared that all must fear and obey them and that we are not allowed to elect a President to change their policies or investigate their crimes.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    you're seriously surprised Trump's supporters are hypocrites?
    The only hypocrisy is yours.
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the one licking the boot of the deepstate.
    The deepstate has declared that all must fear and obey them and that we are not allowed to elect a President to change their policies or investigate their crimes.
    Deepstate is your fake boogeyman to justify everything tyrants do. I thought we were a non-democracy, somehow people like you always complain about unelected power when you're on the losing end.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Deepstate is your fake boogeyman to justify everything tyrants do. I thought we were a non-democracy, somehow people like you always complain about unelected power when you're on the losing end.
    LOL
    Your defense of treasonous coups to overthrow the duly elected President by unelected bureaucrats is pathetic.
    That is not Republicanism, it's tyranny.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 11-14-2019 at 03:18 AM.
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  24. #21
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    Your defense of treasonous coups to overthrow the duly elected President by unelected bureaucrats is pathetic.
    That is not Republicanism, it's tyranny.
    being elected doesn't give you permission to violate laws. that's what law enforcement means.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    being elected doesn't give you permission to violate laws. that's what law enforcement means.
    And even if you don't violate laws, being elected doesn't give you permission to do anything at all that Congress (which is incidentally comprised of elected representatives, not unelected bureaucrats) deems impeachable. High crimes and misdemeanors aren't limited to violations of laws.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And even if you don't violate laws, being elected doesn't give you permission to do anything at all that Congress (which is incidentally comprised of elected representatives, not unelected bureaucrats) deems impeachable. High crimes and misdemeanors aren't limited to violations of laws.
    fair enough



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  29. #25
    Coup ?

    I thought that was when the Democrats elected Trump.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    being elected doesn't give you permission to violate laws. that's what law enforcement means.
    No law was violated.
    Trump was required by law to do what he did.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And even if you don't violate laws, being elected doesn't give you permission to do anything at all that Congress (which is incidentally comprised of elected representatives, not unelected bureaucrats) deems impeachable. High crimes and misdemeanors aren't limited to violations of laws.
    That is nonsense, the founders specifically didn't allow impeachment for any or no reason or for "maladministration".
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not Impeachment, But a Coup: a Disgusting Defense of Collapsing Imperial Order
    A coup (suggesting some major CHANGE) would be a more serious event, this may be closer to being a mutual left wing neocons vs right wing neocons managed circus.


    Forget The Impeachment CircusÖHereís What Congress Should Really Investigate! Ė Ron Paul Institute
    While the country is being dragged through the three ring impeachment circus Ė which is all about politics and nothing about policy, President Trumpís secret wars and interventions across the globe continue. Venezuela, Middle East, LithuaniaÖthe intervention is on overdrive. But Congress has no interest in its Constitutional obligations when it comes to war. Political theater is far more exciting.
    youtube.com/watch?v=eH48AP5eRK0

  33. #29
    Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,
    As the media are all out to get Trump, there is no way to get any valid information about the so-called impeachment. But you don’t have to pay too much attention to notice that the Democrats and the presstitutes are constantly changing the focus. The alleged whistleblower, who only had hearsay information, if that, has dropped out of the picture, being too compromised by his affliations and prior meetings with Adam Schiff during which the “whistleblowing” was planned as an attack on Trump.

    The Democrats and presstitutes then shifted focus to state department types who also heard second hand from “staff” about the alleged conversation containing a quid pro quo, a claim unsupported by the transcript of the telephone call or by the President of Ukraine. So now a new alleged phone call has emerged, or been invented. The acting ambassador to Ukraine, William Taylor, a sleazy State Department type, today (Nov. 13) testified that a member of his staff heard Trump in another telephone call asking Sondland about the Ukraine investigation of the Bidens. This second-hand information is described by the presstitute media as a “bombshell.” God help us. It is nothing of the sort. But the presstitutes will repeat it until it is.


    A person has to wonder how many members of staffs are permitted to listen to telephone conversations between heads of state. In my day it was zero.
    What I want to know, and what we all should want to know, is why are the Democrats serving up hearsay information? Why aren’t the staffers themselves who allegedly heard the conversations on the stand testifying? The testimony should come under oath from those who allegedly heard the conversations. Are the House Democrats going to impeach the President of the United States on second-hand hearsay information?
    As for the investigation of the Bidens and their payoffs for blocking Ukraine’s investigation of the corruption in Burisma, the Ukrainian company that hired the protection of Biden, Trump doesn’t need to ask for it in exchange for $1 billion. Ukrainian officials have released the records. http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/11/ukrainian-officials-release-records-of.html The presstitutes have not reported the release. Don’t expect the whores to report any true facts. They are incapable of it.
    Burisma holdings paid Hunter Biden $3,166,000 for protection according to the records released by Ukraine. More importantly, the information released by Ukraine, according to the report, revealed that Burisma pressured the corrupt Obama State Department to intervene to end the Ukrainian investigation of Burisma for corruption. This is precisely what the Obama regime did. Joe Biden forced the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor by giving the President of Ukraine 6 hours to fire the prosecutor, thus ending the investigation, or forfeiting $1 billion.
    We all need to ask ourselves why it is Trump who is under investigation and not Biden and Obama. We already know the reason. The American media is corrupt beyond the meaning of the word. The Democrats are the most corrupt political party on the face of the earth. And the military/security complex intends to deep-six Donald Trump for threatening their budget and power by normalizing relations with Russia.
    If Trump goes down, America goes with him.


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...peachment-news
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by PRB View Post
    Good to know we got some bootlickers here who will kiss up to the President no matter what he does. What happened to "government should be afraid of their people, not vice versa"?
    Trump was investigating corruption of a former administration who is currently running for office. Thatís his job. I would support impeaching trump if he DIDNíT attempt to investigate and covered up the corruption instead.

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