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Aid doesn't count as giving something, because it wasn't his to give, it was a decision Congress had already made. If anything Trump made it his problem by withholding, so yes, he made it a quid. He did it with the intention of getting something only personally favorable. If Biden isn't innocent and he should be investigated and prosecuted (and he should), Trump wouldnt need to backchannel with Guiliani. The fact he used his private people to go through private alternative pathways is proof he himself knew he had something to hide. Sondland and Taylor both claim Trump wanted Zelensky to make a public statement about Bidens, this was a publicity stunt purely intended to smear Biden, rather than investigate.
Last edited by PRB; 11-23-2019 at 04:04 PM.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Half truths are the best lies.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-c...steele-n897506
Fusion had been hired to get information on Trump during the primaries by a Republican media firm, Washington Free Beacon. When Trump became the Republican nominee, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party began picking up the tab for the Fusion research. Fusion owner Glenn Simpson hired Steele, a Russia expert, to gather information from his sources in Russia.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
The fact, that you are ignoring, is that even though congress allocates money, they lack the power to force the executive to actually spend it. It's called separation of powers. Research that before you respond again okay?
Add to that the fact that congress put into the aid law that the president has a duty to ensure a government is not corrupt before sending it aid. So both Joe Biden and Donald Trump can stand behind the "I was ensuring there was no corruption in Ukraine" shield.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Nope. First of all, prosecute the F out of Biden. Please, go ahead, stop making him your "he did it too" defense. He's guilty. Next : As Schiff said, ensuring there was no corruption in Ukraine, especially during Biden's time, was not a personal position but a consensus, so yes, he had some shield. By contrast, Trump had zero reason to think the current Ukrainian government or President was corrupt, or if it was, what it had to do with Biden. See the difference here? Trump wasn't avoiding corruption of Ukraine, he was personally interested in Biden. If anything ,Trump was ADDING TO the corruption.
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
what about this part "By contrast, Trump had zero reason to think the current Ukrainian government or President was corrupt, or if it was, what it had to do with Biden. See the difference here? Trump wasn't avoiding corruption of Ukraine, he was personally interested in Biden. If anything ,Trump was ADDING TO the corruption."
also, even if there was no QPP, Trump DID still ask for a personal favor. Either you believe he didn't ask or what he asked wasn't personal.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Your logic circuits are broken. If Biden was able to get the president of Ukraine to fire a prosecutor in order to receive aid, that in itself is a sign of corruption on the part of the president of Ukraine.
Edit: And you can't use the excuse that Ukraine "really really needed the money." Parents in desperately poor countries who sell their children to tourists for sex are still corrupt no matter how badly they needed the money.
Last edited by jmdrake; 11-25-2019 at 07:01 AM.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If you are Cpl. Jesse Thorsen and you wear a uniform to a Ron Paul rally you get reprimanded for using your uniform for political purpose. But, if you wear one as part of a show to give credence to "le reisistance" coup attempt it is all Honky-Dory.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arm...ron-paul-rally
I consider the impeachment hearings to be part of the coup (although I agree with your assessment about Russiagate being a more definitive example), since the impeachment attempt is in conjunction with every other scheme against Trump, so I do not analyze it in a vacuum based upon its own merits.
While impeachment is a Constitutional method of opposing a President, I do not consider this impeachment to be acted upon in good faith, which is why I can include it as part of the multi-faceted, soft coup attempt.
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Maybe it's because he was subpoenaed. Military personnel don't usually disobey congressional subpoenas, unlike those in the White House.
And what "impression" was being represented? His uniform is authorized for year-round wear, and military personnel testifying before Congress often, if not usually, appear in uniform.
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good news : Trump throws Guiliani under the bus and Nunes is so desperate to save his face that he's suing CNN & Daily Beast.
Looks like all the President's men are getting in trouble.
What's more likely, that the President is full of crappy associates? Or the deep state is so good at throwing innocent people in prison?
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Could it be that Deep Neocons are actually tricking Deep State/Dems?
"IT'S A TRAP"
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
My bad, yes, Biden is corrupt, and criminal, and should be in prison. But that's not what Trump asked. Trump asked for a public announcement for investigating Biden, which had nothing to do with the guilt of Biden (I said Biden is guilty because I don't give a F--- about the law when it comes to Democrats, but President Trump who is a Republican and cares about corruption doesn't get to have this luxury).
See the difference? I'm willing to throw Biden in prison because I'm a fascist who hates Democrats, Trump is a President who has to follow the law. So he gets impeached for it.
I'm willing to put any Democrats in prison because I feel like, it, but I hold my President to the rule of law, and if you don't like my double standard, take it up with Congress
Last edited by PRB; 12-08-2019 at 08:15 PM.
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