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    Rand Paul: 'We deserve to know' identity of Trump whistleblower

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said this week that the whistleblower at the center of the impeachment inquiry against President Trump should "come forward," given the fallout from their complaint.

    "Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is," Paul told reporters in Kentucky on Tuesday.

    "I think there are reasons to have whistleblower statutes, and have anonymity. But if you're accusing somebody of something with the ramifications of impeachment, I think really the person ought to come forward," he added.

    Paul's comments come as President Trump has doubled down publicly on his demand to know the identity of the whistleblower behind the growing controversy over Trump's interactions with Ukraine. The New York Times reported last week that the individual is a male CIA officer.
    Trump, asked on Monday if he knows the person's identity, told reporters that the White House is "trying to find out."

    He doubled down in a tweet on Tuesday, reiterating that he wants to meet the whistleblower.

    "Why arenít we entitled to interview & learn everything about the Whistleblower, and also the person who gave all of the false information to him," he tweeted.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-whistleblower



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    What does Amash think?
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    A whistleblower with no direct knowledge of the accusations in his dossier, er, uh, whistleblower “complaint”, is no whistleblower at all.

    And it is unimaginable that any valid due process includes the Schiff/Pelosi circus going on right now.
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    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    He is playing 3d chess, how else is he supposed to convince the establishment that he is a professional bootlicker?
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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He is playing 3d chess, how else is he supposed to convince the establishment that he is a professional bootlicker?
    I suppose Rand actually believes these things he says, which reminds me of the "Leninthink" thread recently posted by AF..

    ...

    Lenin calls Bob into his office: "Bob, you know you and your libertarian pals are enemies of the revolution, so I'm going to have to liquidate you."

    Bob: "Well, that's not good..."

    Next day, Lenin gets falsely accused of fondling an intern at the same time he was meeting with Bob.

    Bob: "I'll have you know, I was with Lenin when the alleged fondling occurred. This is outrageous slander!"

    Lenin: "Thanks Bob, mighty kind of you."

    Next day, Lenin liquidates Bob and all his friends.

    The End
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He is playing 3d chess, how else is he supposed to convince the establishment that he is a professional bootlicker?
    What a grotesque embarrassment you two have become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment you two have become.
    Speaking of the devil. You are the grotesque creature, a bootlicker and all around embarrassment to this site and all that it stands for. How dare you insult me for defending Rand Paul? I said its his way of tricking the deep state, the big govt elites and the GOP establishment to believe that when the time comes that he will fight to defend leadership against any potential leaker. I am giving Rand the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't really mean it, its all a ruse to fool TPTB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Speaking of the devil. You are the grotesque creature, a bootlicker and all around embarrassment to this site and all that it stands for. How dare you insult me for defending Rand Paul? I said its his way of tricking the deep state, the big govt elites and the GOP establishment to believe that when the time comes that he will fight to defend leadership against any potential leaker. I am giving Rand the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't really mean it, its all a ruse to fool TPTB.
    You were being sarcastic and attacking him as well as taking the side of the deepstate coup.

    Playing stupid now just makes you look worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    the deepstate coup
    I wonder where this slogan actually originated, how much money is cost its promoter to get people parroting it, exactly how it metastasized...

    Was it Bannon's brainchild? Do you recall where you first heard it, SS? Breitbart?

    And when did it become popular? I actually don't remember if it was in circulation before the election or if it came later.
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    Why shouldn't the accused be able to know his accuser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Why shouldn't the accused be able to know his accuser?
    I thought the whole point of offering whistleblower protections was so it would be public information, including the identify of the blower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    You are literally the embarrassment here.

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He is playing 3d chess, how else is he supposed to convince the establishment that he is a professional bootlicker?
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I suppose Rand actually believes these things he says, which reminds me of the "Leninthink" thread recently posted by AF..

    Trump Derangement Syndrome eats you two idiots for breakfast.

    Rand is merely saying what his father believes.



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    Last edited by eleganz; 10-02-2019 at 06:15 PM.
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    ^^^^^^
    Talk about embarrassing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I thought the whole point of offering whistleblower protections was so it would be public information, including the identify of the blower.
    I think that would be against some act or policy of an agency. But an individual accusing another individual of a "crime?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Why shouldn't the accused be able to know his accuser?
    If the whistleblower's testimony is ever used in a prosecution/suit against Trump, that person's identify will have to be revealed.

    Till then, this is just politics (not a court proceeding), and due process is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If the whistleblower's testimony is ever used in a prosecution/suit against Trump, that person's identify will have to be revealed.

    Till then, this is just politics (not a court proceeding), and due process is irrelevant.
    It will also be revealed when the trials for treason start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It will also be revealed when the trials for treason start.
    Yes, Swordspierre, I'm sure you're looking forward to your first republican wedding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, Swordspierre, I'm sure you're looking forward to your first republican wedding.
    I'm a voice of the Vendee, the coup plotters are the Jacobins. ( and those who defend them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm a voice of the Vendee, the coup plotters are the Jacobins. ( and those who defend them)
    You're a nationalist and a democrat, two of the three scourges unleashed by the revolution (and your pals are socialists - the third scourge).
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    Rev stop calling names and face the music.

    Rand took the same exact position on his father.

    Is Ron Paul a grotesque embarrassment?



    Two days in a row now you're called out, and with no way out of the emotionally charged logic.
    Last edited by eleganz; 10-02-2019 at 09:23 PM.
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    ^^^^^^
    Talk about embarrassing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Rev stop calling names and face the music.

    Rand took the same exact position on his father.

    Is Ron Paul a grotesque embarrassment?
    According to R3v he's a Jacobin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You're a nationalist and a democrat, two of the three scourges unleashed by the revolution (and your pals are socialists - the third scourge).
    Nationalism is as old as man and quite conservative, globalism is communist and the Jacobins were globalists like you, I'm a Republican and that's as old as Rome and quite correct, and I have far less socialist pals than you do.

    Look in the mirror if you want to find a Jacobin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nationalism is as old as man and quite conservative
    People have always had a fondness for their own country (meaning, the area within ~1 day's walk of where they were born).

    But nationalism, as we know it today, as you and your would-be revolutionary cadre practice it, is a modern invention, dating to c. 1789.

    globalism is communist
    As you may or may not know, what preceded the nationalism of the revolutionary French was not communism.

    Under the old regime in Europe, the elites were cosmopolitans; they spoke multiple languages, they traveled, they intermarried with "foreigners."

    That's the alternative to nationalism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with communism.

    It has nothing to do with forced integration.

    It's simply the absence of an irrational (base, vulgar, democratically-inspired) hatred of foreigners.

    Some might call it normal and healthy human behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    People have always had a fondness for their own country (meaning, the area within ~1 day's walk of where they were born).

    But nationalism, as we know it today, as you and your would-be revolutionary cadre practice it, is a modern invention, dating to c. 1789.
    Wrong, the ancient Greeks were quite nationalist as were the Romans and almost all other cultures.


    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    As you may or may not know, what preceded the nationalism of the revolutionary French was not communism.

    Under the old regime in Europe, the elites were cosmopolitans; they spoke multiple languages, they traveled, they intermarried with "foreigners."

    That's the alternative to nationalism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with communism.

    It has nothing to do with forced integration.

    It's simply the absence of an irrational (base, vulgar, democratically-inspired) hatred of foreigners.

    Some might call it normal and healthy human behavior.
    Wrong, the elite were not globalists just because they were cosmopolitan and to the extent they weren't Nationalist it was a class issue that caused them to be tyrannical towards their subjects.
    Nationalism isn't a hatred of foreigners, it is a love of one's countrymen and a desire to avoid being told by foreigners what you must do.

    Communists and all other tyrants are globalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Wrong, the ancient Greeks were quite nationalist as were the Romans and almost all other cultures.
    Cite me a book which describes nationalism in the ancient world.

    While you search around for that book which you haven't read, Google the ethnicities of the Roman emperors.

    ...the rest of your post was slogans/incomprehensible gibberish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Cite me a book which describes nationalism in the ancient world.

    While you search around for that book which you haven't read, Google the ethnicities of the Roman emperors.

    ...the rest of your post was slogans/incomprehensible gibberish.
    You are the one spewing gibberish.

    The Greeks and Romans made a great issue of their nationalism vs. their enemies like the Persians etc. and almost all other cultures embraced their nations in preference to all others.
    The Greek accounts of the battle of Salamis are just one example of their Nationalism.
    Trying to cite the Roman emperors is a nice dodge because you know they became imperial and globalist and killed nationalism, it's one of the many factors that caused the decline and fall of Rome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the one spewing gibberish.

    The Greeks and Romans made a great issue of their nationalism vs. their enemies like the Persians etc. and almost all other cultures embraced their nations in preference to all others.
    The Greek accounts of the battle of Salamis are just one example of their Nationalism.
    Trying to cite the Roman emperors is a nice dodge because you know they became imperial and globalist and killed nationalism, it's one of the many factors that caused the decline and fall of Rome.
    If you think that the Persian wars were motivated by nationalism, of the kind that motivated the French revolutionaries...

    I don't know what to tell you...

    ...other than stop watching youtube and read more books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If you think that the Persian wars were motivated by nationalism, of the kind that motivated the French revolutionaries...

    I don't know what to tell you...

    ...other than stop watching youtube and read more books.
    You are the one trying to confuse all types of nationalism so that you can tar them all with the same brush.
    We were discussing nationalism in general not a specific type because you don't want to admit there are different kinds.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the one trying to confuse all types of nationalism so that you can tar them all with the same brush.
    We were discussing nationalism in general not a specific type because you don't want to admit there are different kinds.
    There's only one type of nationalism of any consequence, and it became a political force for the first time during the French revolution. It is directly related to democracy; we are talking about the political awakening of the masses (a totally novel development). Read just about any book about the so-called "long 19th century" and you'll find it overflowing with discussion of the blossoming nationalist movements in Europe. These created modern Italy and Germany, among other, lesser states, and caused endless problems for the existing multi-national states (e.g. the Habsburg empire). It was a radical change; nothing like it had ever happened before. This nationalism, along with democracy and socialism (also released by the revolution), is what destroyed the old order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's only one type of nationalism of any consequence, and it became a political force for the first time during the French revolution. It is directly related to democracy; we are talking about the political awakening of the masses (a totally novel development). Read just about any book about the so-called "long 19th century" and you'll find it overflowing with discussion of the blossoming nationalist movements in Europe. These created modern Italy and Germany, among other, lesser states, and caused endless problems for the existing multi-national states (e.g. the Habsburg empire). It was a radical change; nothing like it had ever happened before. This nationalism, along with democracy and socialism (also released by the revolution), is what destroyed the old order.
    You are the one trying to confuse all types of nationalism so that you can tar them all with the same brush.

    And it was not nothing like what had ever happened before, the level of of extremity in nationalism varied extremely throughout history, some cultures saw themselves in a permanent state of war with all other nations.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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