Iraq War 3.0? Israel Attacks...With US Backing!

[Brian4Liberty]

Iraq War 3.0? Israel Attacks...With US Backing!

Iraq has formally accused Israel of the spate of attacks on its territory over the past several weeks. Most recently, Israeli drones are said to have taken off from a US-controlled base in the Kurdish region of Syria and attacked Iraqi territory. Again. Iraq is warning of war while the US again pursues an incoherent and counterproductive policy. Will the US continue to back Israeli aggression in the region?

[Swordsmyth]

With US backing?

[r3volution 3.0]

With US backing?

Well, the US hasn't said a word about it.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, the US hasn't said a word about it.

That's not the same as saying we approve and/or back the attacks, we haven't even said we don't disapprove.

I don't approve of saying nothing but it is FakeNews like to say "with US backing".

[r3volution 3.0]

That's not the same as saying we approve and/or back the attacks, we haven't even said we don't disapprove.

I don't approve of saying nothing but it is FakeNews like to say "with US backing".

It's possible that the US didn't pre-approve it, but the silence shows clearly which side they're on after the fact.

[Swordsmyth]

It's possible that the US didn't pre-approve it, but the silence shows clearly which side they're on after the fact.

You could say "with implicit US backing" or "with silent assent from the US" but "with US backing" is FakeNews.

[Influenza]

You could say "with implicit US backing" or "with silent assent from the US" but "with US backing" is FakeNews.

How does Israel launch their drones from US bases without US backing? Clearly they had to be approved by some US official. To say Israel is attacking Iraq with US backing is just Occam's Razor (not that you've ever used that in your life)

[Swordsmyth]

How does Israel launch their drones from US bases without US backing? Clearly they had to be approved by some US official. To say Israel is attacking Iraq with US backing is just Occam's Razor (not that you've ever used that in your life)

Proof they launched from US bases?
If you have that then you can say they had US backing.

[r3volution 3.0]

You could say "with implicit US backing" or "with silent assent from the US" but "with US backing" is FakeNews.

ridiculous sophistry

The point, whatever words you wish to use to describe the situation, is that the US is not going to do anything about this.

...except, no doubt, continue to give Israel money.

[Swordsmyth]

ridiculous sophistry

Your usual output.

Words matter and the difference between the US doing nothing and giving explicit backing is important.

[Influenza]

Proof they launched from US bases?
If you have that then you can say they had US backing.

No armed drone has a long enough range to be launched from Israel, fly to Iraq, and come back

[Swordsmyth]

No armed drone has a long enough range to be launched from Israel, fly to Iraq, and come back

Even if that were true it doesn't tell us where they were launched from.

[r3volution 3.0]

Your usual output.

Words matter and the difference between the US doing nothing and giving explicit backing is important.

What do you think the significance of this story is?

I think it's that Israel is stirring up trouble in the ME and the US is doing nothing to stop it.

Whether the US backed, implicitly backed, backed in a fit of absent-mindedness, etc doesn't really matter.

The point is, Israel is not going to face any consequences for this.

It's rather going to be emboldened to keep doing things like this.

[Swordsmyth]

What do you think the significance of this story is?

I think it's that Israel is stirring up trouble in the ME and the US is doing nothing to stop it.

Whether the US backed, implicitly backed, backed in a fit of absent-mindedness, etc doesn't really matter.

The point is, Israel is not going to face any consequences for this.

It's rather going to be emboldened to keep doing things like this.

The important difference is whether the US is committing to direct involvement or whether it is just letting Israel do what it wants.
Russia has allowed Israel to do almost anything it wants in Syria but you couldn't say Israel performed those strikes "with Russian backing".

[r3volution 3.0]

The important difference is whether the US is committing to direct involvement or whether it is just letting Israel do what it wants.

I don't see why that would matter.

Either way, the attacks happened, the region was further destabilized, the Israelis was encouraged to keep doing more of the same.

Russia has allowed Israel to do almost anything it wants in Syria but you couldn't say Israel performed those strikes "with Russian backing".

Yea, so did Brunei...

Russia's in no position to do anything to stop Israel; the US is.

[Swordsmyth]

I don't see why that would matter.

Either way, the attacks happen, the region is further destabilized, the Israelis are encouraged to keep doing more of the same.



Yea, so did Brunei...

Russia's in no position to do anything to stop Israel; the US is.

Russia is in a position to stop Israeli strikes in Syria but it doesn't.
The same thing goes for the US and Israeli strikes in Iraq.

[r3volution 3.0]

Russia is in a position to stop Israeli strikes in Syria but it doesn't.
The same thing goes for the US and Israeli strikes in Iraq.

Does Russia send Israel billions of dollars every year and guarantee its security?

...nevermind US military capabilities, which are far greater than Russia's

No country in the world has nearly the influence in Israel that the US does.

[Swordsmyth]

Does Russia send Israel billions of dollars every year and guarantee its security?

...nevermind US military capabilities, which are far greater than Russia's

No country in the world has nearly the influence in Israel that the US does.

That still doesn't make silent assent into active backing anymore than Russia not shooting down Israeli planes in Syria with its SAMs is active backing of the strikes there.

[r3volution 3.0]

That still doesn't make silent assent into active backing anymore than Russia not shooting down Israeli planes in Syria with its SAMs is active backing of the strikes there.

oy vey...

[tebowlives]

That still doesn't make silent assent into active backing anymore than Russia not shooting down Israeli planes in Syria with its SAMs is active backing of the strikes there.

Not everytime. They usually need our governments okay. Do we also stop them from too much mischief? Yes, so we usually have a say so at least.

[Todd]

Lol at anyone who thinks Israel can achieve anything without US backing.

[acptulsa]

I don't see why that would matter.

Clearly the people who sign his paychecks do.

Meanwhile, according to the MSM, everything burning in Iraq was spontaneously combusted by protesters.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ead-nationwide

[r3volution 3.0]

Clearly the people who sign his paychecks do.

Meanwhile, according to the MSM, everything burning in Iraq was spontaneously combusted by protesters.

This is just another laudable instance of the media not jumping to conclusions about who carried out an attack.

...like the gas attacks in Syria, or the ship attacks in the Persian Gulf.

Fair and Balanced

[enhanced_deficit]

Iraqi militia leader meets US defence secretary following spate of Israeli attacks
US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper met with Iraqi politican Falih Alfayyadh [Getty]
Date of publication: 2 October, 2019
In a surprise visit, Iraqi politician Falih al-Fayyadh met with US Secretary of Defence Mark Esper in Washington.
Iraq's head of the Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF) - a coalition of some 70, mostly Shia militias - met with US Defence Secretary Mark Esper in Washington on Wednesday.
Falih al-Fayyadh's visit comes a day after Iraq's prime minister directly blamed Israel for a series of airstrikes targeting Iranian-backed PMF forces in the country.
alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/10/2/iraqi-militia-leader-meets-us-defence-secretary-in-washington





October 6, 2019
104 people killed in Iraq unrest, 6,000 wounded: Interior Ministry

1 Min Read
Demonstrators disperse as Iraqi security forces use tear gas during a protest after the lifting of the curfew, following four days of nationwide anti-government protests that turned violent, in Baghdad, Iraq October 5, 2019. REUTERS/Thaier Al-Sudani

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - At least 104 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in less than a week of unrest in Iraq, Interior Ministry spokesman Major General Saad Maan said on Sunday on state TV.
Maan said eight members of the security forces were among those killed and 51 public buildings and eight political party headquarters had been torched by protesters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1WL0DV



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