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    Sen. Mike Lee’s Green Card Giveaway for Big Tech Blocked in Senate, for Now

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...enate-for-now/

    19 Sep 2019



    Senator Mike Lee’s (R-UT) green card giveaway for the nation’s biggest tech corporations has been at least temporarily blocked in the U.S. Senate by Sen. David Perdue (R-GA).
    On Thursday, as Lee attempted to push through his and Sen. Kamala Harris’s (D-CA) S. 386 — legislation that would allow Indian nationals to effectively monopolize the U.S. green card system for at least ten years — Perdue blocked a vote because he is concerned about the impact the plan will have on rural healthcare industries.

    “I support this bill … we have some language that needs to be clarified,” Perdue said. “And I still have some concerns about the impact this legislation would have on some specific industries in my state and in the country.”

    Lee said he expects to work with Perdue on getting his support in order to push for a vote sometime next week.

    At stake is a massive giveaway for employment-based green cards for Big Tech — including those who have contributed directly to Lee, like Google, Alphabet Inc., and Amazon.

    Lee’s S. 386 will ensure outsourcing firms such as Cognizant and Infosys, as well as giant tech conglomerates like Amazon and Facebook, have a green card system wherein only foreign workers on H-1B visas are able to obtain employment green cards by creating a backlog of seven to eight years for all foreign nationals.

    This process would solidify that employment-based green cards only go to temporary foreign visa workers who have been imported to the U.S. by corporations to replace American workers, thus rewarding the employers of H-1B foreign workers.

    While about 25 percent of all employment-based green cards currently are rewarded to Indian nationals today, should Lee’s legislation pass, Indian nationals will obtain more than 90 percent of all the employment-based green cards for at least a decade.

    Bankrolling the effort to pass the green card giveaway are giant tech corporations and the billionaire Koch brothers’ network of organizations, all of which have contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Lee in the past and present.

    In this election cycle, Lee has raked in more than $33,000 from the Microsoft Corporation, about $18,400 from Google, $12,500 from Jeff Bezos’ Amazon, $12,000 from the Oracle Corporation, $11,000 from Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook, and nearly $11,000 from the Koch-owned Koch Agronomic Services.

    During the 2018 election cycle, Lee enjoyed a more than $112,000 combined donation from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Oracle, and Koch Agronomic Services. All have lobbied GOP and Democrat Senators to pass Lee’s S. 386 this year.



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    Uh
    Mike?

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    Uh
    Mike?
    Ben Swann exposed him way back in 2013 or so. Mike lee is just a puppet

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh noooooo, merit-based immigration, noooooooo
    and

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Anti-immigration types: We need a merit-based immigration policy


    Also anti-immigration types: Let's get rid of our merit-based work visa
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Ben Swann exposed him way back in 2013 or so. Mike lee is just a puppet
    American dream - becoming somebody else's puppet. I'll do whatever you want!

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    Is there something wrong with this bill? I wonder why Rand isn't cosponsoring it. I'm pretty sure he cosponsored last year's version of the same bill.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...l/386/all-info

    It's good to Massie is cosponsoring the related House bill.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ouse-bill/1044

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Is there something wrong with this bill? I wonder why Rand isn't cosponsoring it. I'm pretty sure he cosponsored last year's version of the same bill.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...l/386/all-info

    It's good to Massie is cosponsoring the related House bill.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ouse-bill/1044
    Increasing visas from 7 to 15 percent. Jobs of which could be going to americans who are sitting by idle while our economy deteriorates from immigration, regulations, and taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Increasing visas from 7 to 15 percent. Jobs of which could be going to americans who are sitting by idle while our economy deteriorates from immigration, regulations, and taxes.
    I agree that we should cut welfare that we're paying to all those Americans just to sit by idle. They should get off their butts and work like these foreigners are trying to.

    But be careful how you say this, because the way you put it makes it sound like you think there's some finite number of jobs out there so that when one person gets a job that's one less job for someone else to have.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 09-20-2019 at 11:43 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I agree that we should cut welfare that we're paying to all those Americans just to sit by idle. They should get off their butts and work like these foreigners are trying to.

    But be careful how you say this, because the way you put it makes it sound like you think there's some finite number of jobs out there so that when one person gets a job that's one less job for someone else to have.
    How about creating an economic environment while simultaneously cutting the welfare state? Why not cut corporate welfare first? Why hire these foreigners who aren't properly trained who lie and cut corners to come over. While also bringing down the wages of American workers in that same position and putting them out of work...

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    On Thursday, as Lee attempted to push through his and Sen. Kamala Harris’s (D-CA) S. 386
    Good idea for the cheap labor lobby to use these two politicians as their front. Hide behind a “free market” advocate, and virtue signal behind Kamala Harris to make it seem like a social justice issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    How about creating an economic environment while simultaneously cutting the welfare state? Why not cut corporate welfare first? Why hire these foreigners who aren't properly trained who lie and cut corners to come over. While also bringing down the wages of American workers in that same position and putting them out of work...
    I'm for cutting corporate welfare too. Why hire these foreigners? Who knows. That's a question for the people who want to hire them. They're the ones who want to invest their money in doing that. The government should not be placing any barriers in their way to make it harder for them to hire them. You seem to be concerned about America's economy. Well, allowing more immigrants to come here and work helps our economy, rather than hurting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I'm for cutting corporate welfare too. Why hire these foreigners? Who knows.


    That's a question for the people who want to hire them. They're the ones who want to invest their money in doing that. The government should not be placing any barriers in their way to make it harder for them to hire them. You seem to be concerned about America's economy.


    Well, allowing more immigrants to come here and work helps our economy, rather than hurting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post








    We get it. You're a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I'm for cutting corporate welfare too. Why hire these foreigners? Who knows. That's a question for the people who want to hire them. They're the ones who want to invest their money in doing that. The government should not be placing any barriers in their way to make it harder for them to hire them. You seem to be concerned about America's economy. Well, allowing more immigrants to come here and work helps our economy, rather than hurting it.
    Tell that to middle class engineers or IT who have to train their replacements who are earning half their wages. Then those americans sitting by and have to get a job earning far less or wait endlessly to mybe find a job with similar earning power. What about those not in the middle class but working class whose wages have been stagnant due to increase labor from the chamber of commerce. The free market is great in theory no one is arguing that. The rest of the world is not a free market anarcho capitalist society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Tell that to middle class engineers or IT who have to train their replacements who are earning half their wages. Then those americans sitting by and have to get a job earning far less or wait endlessly to mybe find a job with similar earning power. What about those not in the middle class but working class whose wages have been stagnant due to increase labor from the chamber of commerce. The free market is great in theory no one is arguing that. The rest of the world is not a free market anarcho capitalist society.
    The economy is better than you're making it out to be. But if you really think free markets make people poor, you should change your handle, and you are probably at the wrong website.

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    Those who oppose this website's official stance agreeing with Ron Paul, along with Rand, Amash, Massie, etc., that the government should let American employers hire more foreigners to work for less pay than Americans, might also consider signing Bastiat's Candlestick makers' petition.

    At the very least, every here who hasn't read it should read it.
    http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I agree that we should cut welfare that we're paying to all those Americans just to sit by idle. They should get off their butts and work like these foreigners are trying to.

    But be careful how you say this, because the way you put it makes it sound like you think there's some finite number of jobs out there so that when one person gets a job that's one less job for someone else to have.
    It is bringing in massive amounts of people who will vote to expand the welfare state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Tell that to middle class engineers or IT who have to train their replacements who are earning half their wages. Then those americans sitting by and have to get a job earning far less or wait endlessly to mybe find a job with similar earning power. What about those not in the middle class but working class whose wages have been stagnant due to increase labor from the chamber of commerce. The free market is great in theory no one is arguing that. The rest of the world is not a free market anarcho capitalist society.
    We import millions of people who will vote for more socialism and create more poor people who will vote for more socialism at the same time.
    It's a communist dream come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Ben Swann exposed him way back in 2013 or so. Mike lee is just a puppet
    Link?
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Link?
    You commented in the thread from back in the day lol timosman provided it

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    The USA used to have open borders, but now Americans want to live in a country like North Korea.


    https://openborders.info/blog/tag/ellis-island/



    Americans scream that they hate illegal immigrants, but Americans think that the US can kick out illegal aliens without having a police state.


    Do you really believe that the government can get rid of illegals without having a wall, concentration camps, checkpoints, immigration raids, license plate readers, DNA collection, and NSA wiretapping?


    Do you honestly think that Americans are never arrested by the Border Patrol?


    Do you think that closing the border might prevent Americans from leaving?

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    GOP Sen. Mike Lee Promises to Pass Green Card Giveaway to Indian Workers by Sept. 27

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ans-next-week/

    20 Sep 2019



    Republican Utah Sen. Mike Lee will try again to pass his S.386 bill, which grants green cards to India’s college graduates if they take jobs from American graduates.
    “I believe it’s ready for prime time,” Mike Lee said in a June 19 statement on the Senate floor, adding:

    It is ready to become law … I intend to be back next week making yet another attempt to pass this bill into law. And I hope and expect that we will be able to do so.

    Leon Fresco, a Democrat lawyer working with Lee to pass the bill, also declared the bill will pass the Senate:

    All objections will be solved, this is an iterative process. Senator Lee his staff are doing a tremendous job working to address the objections of every single member. #GreenCardEquality will not be stopped now. Equality of opportunity is a priority for all 100 senators.

    Fresco helped Sen. Chuck Schumer write the 2013 “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill that nearly passed — and which would have provided investors with a flood of cheap labor for at least 20 years.

    Lee’s promise came just after Georgia Sen. David Perdue blocked Lee’s request for the Senate’s “Unanimous consent” approval of his S.386 bill. The bill would allow up to 140,000 Indian workers and family members to get valuable green cards each year in exchange for them working in U.S. college jobs for several years.

    Perdue’s block came after Lee negotiated a deal with Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who earlier blocked Lee’s bill in late July.

    Opponents of Lee’s bill praised Perdue:

    ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    You commented in the thread from back in the day lol timosman provided it
    You can't blame him for expecting that the claim that Ben Swann exposed Mike Lee would have a better basis than the nothingburger that thread was.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    You can't blame him for expecting that the claim that Ben Swann exposed Mike Lee would have a better basis than the nothingburger that thread was.
    Are you saying the claim was superfluous?

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    I wonder if this bill would pass if they were honest, and instead of letting Mike Lee and Kamala Harris spearhead this, it was sponsored by Mitch McConnell, and he announced it standing next to Tom Donohue, Satya Nadella, Larry Page, Larry Ellison, Punit Renjen, Francisco D'Souza, and Mark Zuckerberg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I wonder if this bill would pass if they were honest, and instead of letting Mike Lee and Kamala Harris spearhead this, it was sponsored by Mitch McConnell, and he announced it standing next to Tom Donohue, Satya Nadella, Larry Page, Larry Ellison, Punit Renjen, Francisco D'Souza, and Mark Zuckerberg?
    Why would they be there? Like in "Shut up, you motherfuckers, we know what you do!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Why would they be there? Like in "Shut up, you motherfuckers, we know what you do!"
    Cui bono? The real sponsors of the bill should get a spot on the stage.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Mike Lee is generally solid especially on fiscal issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Mike Lee is generally solid especially on fiscal issues.
    Doesn't mean he gets a pass on this.

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