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    Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer

    Prospects for a bipartisan deal on gun control legislation have dimmed significantly as President Trump and Democratic leaders appear to be far apart on the key issue of expanding background checks.
    Republicans expect Trump to put forward a proposal addressing gun violence later this week, but Democrats predict it is likely to fall far short of what is needed and that they may not vote for it.


    Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a key negotiator who has had discussions with Trump on gun control, told reporters that the president needed to give them an affirmative sign by the end of last week in order to keep momentum from dying in Congress.
    “My worry is that the forces inside the White House that are representing the gun lobby may be prevailing,” Murphy told reporters Monday. “I think that’s a shame.”
    “They told us we would hear back by Thursday and we didn’t hear anything on Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday,” he added. “Silence is probably indicative that they’re not willing to move.”
    Manchin also sounded a pessimistic note.
    “I haven’t heard back from their staff,” said Manchin, who panned the idea of creating a new smartphone app to conduct background checks.


    Conservatives are already warning the White House and GOP leaders of a backlash from gun rights advocates if Trump endorses a proposal to expand background checks to all online and gun show sales, as envisioned by the Manchin-Toomey bill.
    “If Republicans abandon the Second Amendment and demoralize millions of Americans who care deeply about Second Amendment rights, that could go a long way to electing a President Elizabeth Warren,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) warned last week, referring to the liberal Massachusetts senator, who is running for president.
    A senior Republican aide on Monday expressed skepticism that Trump will endorse legislation that would significantly expand background checks, such as the Manchin-Toomey bill or the universal background check measure passed by the House in February.

    More at: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...al-grow-dimmer
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    Headlines like this ( like the ones published by media after Afghan Peace deal and NKorea Peace summt deal fails) could reinforce critics "Trump is bad at making deals" narrative. Net effect could dim MAGA's 2020 prospects, perhaps try to word headlines in a more positive way without casting shadows on MAGA's deal making skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Headlines like this ( like the ones published by media after Afghan Peace deal and NKorea Peace summt deal fails) could reinforce critics "Trump is bad at making deals" narrative. Net effect could dim MAGA's 2020 prospects, perhaps try to word headlines in a more positive way without casting shadows on MAGA's deal making skills.
    Or they make it clear this is a deal he doesn't want because it is a bad deal.
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    Thumbs up Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer

    Prospects for a bipartisan deal on gun control legislation have dimmed significantly as President Trump and Democratic leaders appear to be far apart on the key issue of expanding background checks.

    Republicans expect Trump to put forward a proposal addressing gun violence later this week, but Democrats predict it is likely to fall far short of what is needed and that they may not vote for it.

    Democrats are pressing Trump to agree to a gun control bill already approved by the House, but the president has yet to even signal support for a scaled-down background check bill sponsored by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.).

    “I don’t think anyone thinks he’s going to endorse the Toomey bill, which is weaker than the House bill,” said a senior Democratic aide, expressing growing doubt on Capitol Hill that Trump will strike a bipartisan deal.

    As a result, the likelihood that Congress will fail to take action on gun violence a month after a new spate of shootings across the country appears to be growing.

    Republicans say the political momentum within their party to expand background checks suffered a blow last week when Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke declared, “hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15s, your AK-47s” at Thursday’s primary debate.

    It was a big moment for O’Rourke’s campaign, but it underscored long-standing arguments from gun rights proponents that Democratic efforts on gun control are really aimed at the confiscation of firearms.

    “This rhetoric undermines and hurts bipartisan efforts to actually make progress on commonsense gun safety efforts, like expanding background checks,” Toomey, who has been at the center of Senate negotiations, warned Friday.

    It’s still possible the two parties could agree on some lower-hanging measures.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...al-grow-dimmer

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    oh thank you SS. Looks like you might be right again in terms of being patient and see what happens

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    Gonna be a lot of sad faces here if no gun control happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Gonna be a lot of sad faces here if no gun control happens.
    I have a feeling Trump will back red flags.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    I have a feeling Trump will back red flags.
    Well he did sign a law revoking Obama era background checks... so...

    the media headlined it as such:

    Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses


    So trump signed a bill into law that allowed crazy people to have guns.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221


    So, just like the haterz club here gonna be sad here if no gun control actually happens...

    ...on the other side of line are a bunch of liberals with dick in hand, waiting for the next mass shooting, hoping it will be even bigger, bloodier, and nastier than the one before.



    As Donald Trump said "Fine people on both sides"
    Last edited by UWDude; 09-17-2019 at 08:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    I have a feeling Trump will back red flags.
    I don't think he will, he stopped talking about them.
    I also don't think he will agree to anything the Demoncrats in the House will agree to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Headlines like this ( like the ones published by media after Afghan Peace deal and NKorea Peace summt deal fails) could reinforce critics "Trump is bad at making deals" narrative. Net effect could dim MAGA's 2020 prospects, perhaps try to word headlines in a more positive way without casting shadows on MAGA's deal making skills.
    This is definitely out there, even for somebody affected by TDS.

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    Thumbs up Trump now unlikely to push gun control

    Did Trump finally get the message?


    Were Beto's words the tipping point?



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    Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer
    Trump now unlikely to push gun control
    Good.

    Sadly, Trump deciding (for the moment) to refrain from making things even worse than he already has is pretty much the best that could reasonably have been hoped for.

    Let's just hope his (advisors') restraint over his gun-grabby impulses survives the next election (assuming he wins) ...


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    Looks like Trump is still pushing gun control hard:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...07#post6862607
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Looks like Trump is still pushing gun control hard:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...07#post6862607

    except the bit at the bottom of the article saying the story is wrong, and that Trump has "not signed off on it, not even a little bit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    except the bit at the bottom of the article saying the story is wrong, and that Trump has "not signed off on it, not even a little bit"
    That was added after the original posting.

    Which means that if true Barr needs to be fired and arrested immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    That was added after the original posting.

    Which means that if true Barr needs to be fired and arrested immediately.
    Oh yeah?

    Check the timestamps of the post.

    I posted the truth 3 minutes after you finished posting the headline to the story you obviously did not read.

    That was basically enough time for me to read the article, see that the name "Trump" was dumped in the headline for clicks and hysteria, and then post a reply.


    It's like you guys would be happier by trump banning some guns than you would be if he didin't.

    That is TDS.
    Last edited by UWDude; 09-18-2019 at 07:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Oh yeah?

    Check the timestamps of the post.

    I posted the truth 3 minutes after you finished posting the headline to the story you obviously did not read.

    That was basically enough time for me to read the article, see that the name "Trump" was dumped in the headline for clicks and hysteria, and then post a reply.


    It's like you guys would be happier by trump banning some guns than you would be if he didin't.

    That is TDS.
    Your memory is too short. Think bump stock ban not too long ago. We are exactly where we were back for his ban. As a supporter you should wake up and hold his feet to the fire since it is because of apologists like you why Trump thinks he can get away with passing gun control legislation and still get re-elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Trump thinks he can get away with passing gun control legislation and still get re-elected.
    According to sources familiar with his thinking

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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...dment-nra-guns

    Henry asked Trump if he would "stand up" to the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the president said he would, so long as constitutional gun rights are not infringed upon.


    "I am [going to stand up to the NRA] if it's not going to hurt a good, solid great American citizen from keeping his weapon because they want that," he said.

    "And they are entitled to that. We have a Second Amendment," Trump continued. "I don't want to have crazy people have guns. I don't want to have bad people have guns. But, we're going to do nothing to hurt the Second Amendment. And what we want to do is see if we can come up with a compromise, and that's what we're working on."
    "Part of the problem that we have is because of Beto O'Rourke's statement about taking away guns," he said. "A lot of the Republicans and some Democrats now, are afraid to do anything to go down that slippery slope. A lot of people think this is just a way of taking away guns. And that's not good. Because we're not going to allow that.

    "Look, I'm a very strong believer in the Second Amendment," Trump continued. "We're going to protect our Second Amendment. We have plenty of ideas."
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