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Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Do you think people with dementia should be able to own a firearm? I sure don't. I was with my dad fishing in the middle of nowhere Northern MI two weekends and he had no idea where anything was. I drove him to the hospital to determine if it was a stroke or Alzheimer's or a stroke. One of the first things I told the doctor while we were awaiting tests was he keeps a firearm in his glove box and has them all around the house. It turned out it was a stroke and has more or less recovered his faculties. But had it been Alzheimer's I would absolutely support making it illegal to own a gun. The thought of someone who is out of it mentally owning a gun and putting people around them or themselves at risk is ridiculous.
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How many gun deaths do Alzheimer's victims cause each year?
"Legislating to the exception" is why we are drowning in a sea of laws and regulations without ebb.
Every "obvious" reason that there "ought to be a law" (because something "bad" might happen) is pregnant with opportunities for never-ending extension and expansion (not to mention corruption and abuse). For just a few examples:
- Who gets to decide "who is out of it mentally?"
- Shouldn't we also prohibit the mentally-out-of-it from owning or using knives? Cars? Anything else that might be deemed dangerous? (And who is to do the deeming?)
- Shouldn't we also prohibit those who live with the mentally-out-it from owning or using the same things? After all, if I own guns and my father, who lives with me is "mentally out of it" ...
How about this - rather than trying to preemptively constrain what some people might do (a slippery slope that has no bottom), just hold people responsible for the things they have actually done (or failed to do, in the case of negligence - such as allowing my father with Alzheimer's to get hold of one of my guns and use it to hurt or kill someone). Tragedies happen. They always have, and they always will. Trying to obviate them preemptively is a never-ending utopian treadmill that will do nothing but create an ever-growing and increasingly untenable mountain of laws and rules, to the benefit of no one but lawyers and rulers ...
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- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Misdiagnosis and robbing people of their rights on guess work is just dandy though, right? Blabbing to doctors about somebody else's gun ownership is just as stupid as talking to cops, and it can end up with your loved ones being hurt just the same.
Your experience should actually teach you of the folly in lightly allowing people to take the rights of others.
Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan
There is no guessing or knee-jerking involved. Trump is a wishy-washy, half-assed gun grabber, and he has never been anything else.
One needs to wait for the release of Trump's wishy-washy, half-assed gun-grabbing proposal no more than one would, under other circumstances, need to wait for the release of Hillary's waffle-free, full-assed gun-grabbing proposal. The question is not, "Will it be bad?" The question is "How bad will it be?" And that is a consequence of the fact that Trump has been nothing but a wretched liability to the gun-rights movement. (But by all means, keep up the willfully obtuse pretense that you don't already know all this and need to see his proposal first before you can figure it out ...)
Yup... pretty much sums it all up.
Note that nearly every proposal serves as a catalyst for confiscation, while doing nothing to "prevent" the incidents that served as the impetus for the "must do something" legislation. These events cant get much more illegal than they already are - the laws arent stopping the crimes. So any legislation will be designed to turn lawful owners into newly created criminals - inch by inch, until all practical firearms are out of reach for the average citizen.
Always remember: Nobody is going to take our guns away, and if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it. Truth, as spoken by our government.
Gulag Chief: "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"
What are you going to say, if in 2 years, nothing has happened, and no laws have been passed? Maybe lots of talk, lots of Trump willing to negotiate. but in the end... nothing?
Do you acknowledge it is a possibility?
Should Trump start saying some of the mass shootings are false flags?
Do you acknowledge the possibility he believes some of them are, but just is not dumb enough to say so?
Its easy for us to say it anonymously on the internet....
Gollum has a reading problem:
Trump Backs Bid To Strike Down New York City Gun Laws At Supreme Court
“To confine a weapon to the home is thus to preclude the owner from using it for many of the purposes that the right to keep and bear arms is meant to serve,” Solicitor General Noel Francisco told the justices in court papers.
Court filings are actions with consequences.
Trump Pulls Out Of UN Arms Trade Treaty
President Trump announced Friday that the United States will withdraw its signature from the UN Arms Trade Treaty
That is an action that ends a treaty that would have destroyed our gun rights.
Trump to make it easier to export guns
to do this by shifting oversight of the export of semi-automatic and non-automatic firearms, as well as of various gun components and some types of ammunition, from the Department of State to the Department of Commerce.
The Trump administration also plans to end State Department oversight of the publication of computer code enabling 3-D printable guns.
More actions.
Trump Pushes to Allow Troops to Carry Personal Weapons on Bases
he would review policies
Reviewing policies is also an action.
And that is not all he has done.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Don't forget this one:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221
(imagine this place without Swordsmyth constantly deflecting the litany of lies and general ignorance of the haters club)
Thanks.
@CCTelander
The headline for those who don't follow links:
Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
With three libertarians circle jerking each other off about how they are the only real libertarians, and champions of free speech and freedom after banning all dissenters.
RepublicanGuy is trying to drum up heat and conversation and unity.
Mmm, dat polarity.
Ron Paul has not been right about gold or silver yet.
I was a true blue believer.
Didn't happen.
Should I still be a true blue believer that gold and silver should be the base of the currency system?
That sounds about right.
I'm no partisan of free speech; this freedom is infinitely less important than, for example, the freedom to not pay taxes so high that you can't eat.circle jerking each other off about how they are the only real libertarians, and champions of free speech and freedom after banning all dissenters.
The vast majority of the population doesn't need freedom of speech, because they have nothing to say.
The idiot "intelligentsia" obsesses about this because they talk their book.
I would also have no problem with the state using police powers to stifle anti-libertarian activists, if that were necessary.
He's a toddler; anyone engaging him should be embarrassed.RepublicanGuy is trying to drum up heat and conversation and unity.
...off to discuss monetary policy with my dog.
Not hip to your slang bro, yo, dog...Mmm, dat polarity.
The performance of gold and silver as an investment has no bearing on the argument against monetary inflation.Ron Paul has not been right about gold or silver yet.
I was a true blue believer.
Didn't happen.
Should I still be a true blue believer that gold and silver should be the base of the currency system?
...though, over certain long term periods, precious metals have outperformed stocks.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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