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    And on, and on it goes. ANY victim disarmament (gun control) of ANY kind is totally unacceptable. The Gun Grabber in Chief pisses all over us again.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    No one could have seen this coming...

    Hillary would have been worse...

    etc
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    I bet its red flags or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No one could have seen this coming...

    Hillary would have been worse...

    etc

    Ketchup.

    Don't forget "He's the least of all possible goods," and "it won't actually pass and if it does the courts will strike it down."

    Anything to excuse the Victim Disarmer in Chief and provide cover for him.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    I bet its red flags or something like that.
    Universal background checks and red flag provisions.

    Some have seen this coming for a long time now.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Universal background checks and red flag provisions.

    Some have seen this coming for a long time now.

    Just the latest round of winning.

    ETA: Funny, winning in this case feels an aweful lot like getting ass raped.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 09-15-2019 at 01:51 PM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No one could have seen this coming...

    Hillary would have been worse...

    etc
    No, she wouldn't have.

    Obama couldn't do anything on gun control because the right hated his guts like they hated her guts. The right likes Trump so they tend not to fight him as much. Psychology 101.... it's always your friends who hurt you more.
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    ? Article title is inaccurate. "Gun control legislation.."

    The Trump administration is expected to announce its proposal to curb gun violence as soon as next week.
    Nothing about any sort of gun control legislation.
    YET.

    I'll wait to see what happens before casting judgement.
    It may be bad. It may not be bad. Guess we'll find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No one could have seen this coming...

    Hillary would have been worse...

    etc
    The deep state made him do it
    He will be much better in his second term when he is no longer facing the threat of impeachment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, she wouldn't have.

    Obama couldn't do anything on gun control because the right hated his guts like they hated her guts. The right likes Trump so they tend not to fight him as much. Psychology 101.... it's always your friends who hurt you more.
    Yup, this...for the small gains that have been made I'd just as soon be on the obstruction defense.

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    It is actually pretty funny how you guys are freaking out over a proposal that has yet to be announced.
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    ^^^^^^
    Talk about embarrassing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup, this...for the small gains that have been made I'd just as soon be on the obstruction defense.
    Well, you'll get it depending. Any meaningful gun control measure will cost him enough of his base to insure Dems win depending on who they float.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    It is actually pretty funny how you guys are freaking out over a proposal that has yet to be announced.
    Well, any proposal apart of 'hands off' is going to be bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    No, she wouldn't have.

    Obama couldn't do anything on gun control because the right hated his guts like they hated her guts. The right likes Trump so they tend not to fight him as much. Psychology 101.... it's always your friends who hurt you more.
    That's a good point, same for spending and deficits.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    It is actually pretty funny how you guys are freaking out over a proposal that has yet to be announced.
    I remember when Matt Collins posted about the bumpstock ban.

    Many saw it coming and rumors were floated.

    Trump indicated it was coming too.

    And your lot said it was just empty statements to appease gun grabbers.

    And some of you said it is a stupid accessory anyways.

    And one of you posted link after link to show you could still buy them.

    And then you couldn’t.

    And now having one (which millions of people do) can get you charged with possession of a machine gun.

    Quit being a bootlicker.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    As if Trump hasn’t spoken at length about universal background checks and red flag laws.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Well, you'll get it depending. Any meaningful gun control measure will cost him enough of his base to insure Dems win depending on who they float.
    That much is sure true.

    The Orange One is on thin ice with gunners as it is, what with executive parts bans.

    Let him sign on to major legislative gun control and he's toast.

    Say hello to president Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I remember when Matt Collins posted about the bumpstock ban.

    Many saw it coming and rumors were floated.

    Trump indicated it was coming too.

    And your lot said it was just empty statements to appease gun grabbers.

    And some of you said it is a stupid accessory anyways.

    And one of you posted link after link to show you could still buy them.

    And then you couldn’t.

    And now having one (which millions of people do) can get you charged with possession of a machine gun.

    Quit being a bootlicker.
    I would have won my bet with @dannno had I just stretched the timeline out another month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I would have won my bet with @dannno had I just stretched the timeline out another month.
    And I am sure you remember smart ass comment after smart ass comment because they were so in tune with their MAGA leader, or Q told them, or they mainlined DMT and Kermit the Toad showed them the way of 4D chess.

    And then silence. Except maybe those completely missing the $#@!ing point and arrogantly saying it was just a stupid accessory anyways.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    It may have to do with administrative policies at Stoneman Douglas that are explained in this article.

    http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news...nswers/795150/
    Last edited by revgen; 09-15-2019 at 05:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Anything to excuse the Victim Disarmer in Chief and provide cover for him.


    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    It is actually pretty funny how you guys are freaking out over a proposal that has yet to be announced.
    It is actually not at all funny how you guys are not "freaking out" over it.

    (If enough people had started "freaking out" sooner, maybe we wouldn't be in this position ...)

    Whatever this upcoming proposal is announced to be, you can bet your ass that it isn't any kind of roll-back or negation of already existing gun-rights restrictions. At best, it will be some wishy-washy wiffle that will please no one and which will only serve to encourage gun-grabbers and increase momentum for yet more gun-rights restrictions. And that's the absolute best we can reasonably hope for - and that's quite bad enough (so there's really no need to even get into how much worse it could turn out to be). So why shouldn't anyone who gives a damn about gun rights be "freaking out" over it (especially given Trump's previous gun-grabby shenanigans)?

    But whatever it turns out to be, I won't be the least bit surprised if the Trump apologists try to excuse, downplay and/or dismiss it out of hand, just as you are preemptively doing here. "Pretty funny," my ass ...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-15-2019 at 04:31 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    ? Article title is inaccurate. "Gun control legislation.."



    Nothing about any sort of gun control legislation.
    YET.

    I'll wait to see what happens before casting judgement.
    It may be bad. It may not be bad. Guess we'll find out.
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    It is actually pretty funny how you guys are freaking out over a proposal that has yet to be announced.

    Oh bull$#@!. The time for "wait and see" is long, LONG past.Trump has already made his intentions quite clear through his previous actions and there's no credible reason to believe anything has changed in that regard.

    He's banned an entire class of firearms accessories via executive fiat. This banned not only bump stocks but the HellFire device along with several similar devices. Now, thanks to Trump, a gun owner who bought a HellFire 15 or 20 years ago and tried it temporarily but decided he didn't like it so he took it off his rifle and tossed it in a box to be promptly forgotten about could now be facing TEN YEARS in prison as the owner of an unregistered machine gun. This is no small thing. ATF has a LONG, sordid history or sending innocent people just like that to federal prison on just such charges.

    And don't think your rubber band work-around is safe either. "...ATF once issued a letter ruling saying a 14-inch shoestring was a machine gun because it could be used to convert a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic weapon. The letter was later rescinded." https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wh...a-machine-gun/

    Trump has also explicitly expressed his support for red flag laws, universal background checks, raising the age to buy rifles to 21 and other victim disarmament proposals.

    No, there's no rational reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on Victim disarmament.

    Plus, if this $#@! is to be stopped, the earlier one can marshal one's forces to do so, the better one's chances are. The process should have been started when the bump stock situation was first being talked about if not before, but Trump apologists and ass kissers managed to blunt the edge of the opposition then. And now they're trying to do so again, it seems. $#@! that.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post




    It is actually not at all funny how you guys are not freaking out over it.

    Whatever this upcoming proposal is announced to be, you can bet your ass that it isn't any kind of roll-back or negation of already existing gun-rights restrictions. At best, it will be some wishy-washy wiffle that will please no one and which will only serve to encourage gun-grabbers and increase momentum for yet more gun-rights restrictions. And that's the absolute best we can reasonably hope for - and that's quite bad enough (so there's really no need to even get into how much worse it could be). So why shouldn't anyone who gives a damn about gun rights be freaking out over it (especially given Trump's previous gun-grabby shenanigans)?

    Whatever it turns out to be, I won't be the least bit surprised if the Trump apologists try to excuse, downplay and/or dismiss it out of hand, just as you are preemptively doing here. "Pretty funny," my ass ...

    I'M not laughing.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Its almost as if hes is trying to lose his base. The man has been a supporter gun control for decades. Even wrote a book about wanting to ban assault weapons. Nobody should be surprised by this.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 09-15-2019 at 05:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Oh bull$#@!. The time for "wait and see" is long, LONG past.Trump has already made his intentions quite clear through his previous actions and there's no credible reason to believe anything has changed in that regard.

    He's banned an entire class of firearms accessories via executive fiat. This banned not only bump stocks but the HellFire device along with several similar devices. Now, thanks to Trump, a gun owner who bought a HellFire 15 or 20 years ago and tried it temporarily but decided he didn't like it so he took it off his rifle and tossed it in a box to be promptly forgotten about could now be facing TEN YEARS in prison as the owner of an unregistered machine gun. This is no small thing. ATF has a LONG, sordid history or sending innocent people just like that to federal prison on just such charges.

    And don't think your rubber band work-around is safe either. "...ATF once issued a letter ruling saying a 14-inch shoestring was a machine gun because it could be used to convert a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic weapon. The letter was later rescinded." https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wh...a-machine-gun/

    Trump has also explicitly expressed his support for red flag laws, universal background checks, raising the age to buy rifles to 21 and other victim disarmament proposals.

    No, there's no rational reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on Victim disarmament.

    Plus, if this $#@! is to be stopped, the earlier one can marshal one's forces to do so, the better one's chances are. The process should have been started when the bump stock situation was first being talked about if not before, but Trump apologists and ass kissers managed to blunt the edge of the opposition then. And now they're trying to do so again, it seems. $#@! that.
    So what do you propose?

  33. #29
    MAGA has been losing Right vote also (and not just Far Right), his shifts towards liberal progressive globalist agenda should help win big government/deficit spending supporting Dem/lib vote to compensate for loss of conservative vote. His top donor Sheldon Adelson, a widely respected globalist liberal democrat neocoservative, cared more about use of US guns against Iran/Syria etc to defend our closest ally in mideast; 2nd amendment protection was never on his agenda.





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  34. #30
    More of that 3D chess , where Trump dismantles the 2nd amendment so
    the liberals won't get credit for it.


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