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    "Red Flag" Laws Should Be a Red Flag

    "Political parasites are constantly finding new ways to violate individual rights, but sometimes they do something so fundamentally evil that people should really worry. This is one of those times."


    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Any Republicans that support red flag laws are a disgrace.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Any Republicans that support red flag laws are a disgrace.

    Republicans always stab gun owners and 2nd Amendment advocates in the back the very second it becomes convenient for them to do so. It's what they've always done. They just need sufficient cover to be able to do so and have some excuse to have done so. They're just showing their true colors yet again.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Republicans always stab gun owners and 2nd Amendment advocates in the back the very second it becomes convenient for them to do so. It's what they've always done. They just need sufficient cover to be able to do so and have some excuse to have done so. They're just showing their true colors yet again.
    At federal level, yes.

    At the state level, at least in NH, we have a GOP governor that has burnt out veto pens shooting down new gun control laws from the Bolsheviks that too over Concord.

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    C0MMIES

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    "If we have become a people that are going to quietly allow that to happen and then whine about it after the fact, then we've become a people who deserve to be oppressed." - Larken Rose
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Yes , Red Flag Laws are a Red Flag , to be sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Any Republicans that support red flag laws are a disgrace.
    Yes but, not just Republicans , anyone running for or holding office that supports circumventing
    due process, and violating the Bill of Rights is not legally fit for office.



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    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    At federal level, yes.

    At the state level, at least in NH, we have a GOP governor that has burnt out veto pens shooting down new gun control laws from the Bolsheviks that too over Concord.

    Not just the federal level. At the state and local level too in many places. I'm glad you're blessed to not be in one of those, but a lot of other people are not so blessed.

    Trust ANY (with very few exceptions) Republicans at your own peril. The vast majority hold us in utter contempt and only oppose victim disarmament out of fear of political reprisal. El Neil has frequently reported on Republicans at various levels, when contemplating support for victim disarmament when they think they can get away with it, and confronted with the prospect of losing the votes of gun owners, replying in the vein of "Who else are they going to vote for?". They're aware that all they really need to do is stay just a bit less despicable than Dems and most will still support them rather than make them pay politically as they so richly deserve.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Rule of Thumb: Larken Rose is always right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Rule of Thumb: Larken Rose is always right.

    A realization that no doubt causes a great deal of consternation for some, even some here.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Not bad.

    Why 'red flag' laws are more dangerous than you think
    Red flag laws stand in direct violation of multiple constitutional rights

    By Shae Sortwell - - Tuesday, August 27, 2019
    ANALYSIS/OPINION:

    This month’s shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, have politicians once again demanding the ability to violate our constitutional rights.

    What is their “solution” this time? So-called “red flag” laws — a direct violation of multiple constitutional rights that would allow the government to seize a person’s property by force, following nothing more than an anonymous accusation. This fundamentally changes our system from “innocent until proven guilty” to “guilty until proven innocent.” It is fundamentally and unacceptably un-American.

    Even worse than other forms of gun control, red flag laws don’t just violate the Second Amendment; they also violate the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment and the Sixth Amendment.

    I understand the sincerity of those wanting real solutions to these senseless atrocities. I do as well (and have yet to meet anyone who doesn’t). But the American people should never surrender their constitutional rights to tackle a criminal problem.

    The rights and liberties enshrined in these amendments to the U.S. Constitution weren’t just invented in 1791 with the Bill of Rights. They didn’t just spring up by magic. For more than 800 years — even before Magna Carta — men and women have fought to protect and codify our precious freedoms. See what happens when you ask a Russian, a Venezuelan, a Zimbabwean, a Saudi, or even (sadly) a Brit about the right to bear arms, due process, or the right to a trial by jury.

    Unlike other societies, “take the guns first, go through due process second” has never been the American way. Red flag laws turn our legal tradition upside down. “Guilty until proven innocent” is a hallmark of the worst totalitarian societies and banana republics, not America. Ironically, the Second Amendment exists to protect the American people from just these things: tyrants who would tear their basic rights away from them.


    For months, I’ve been hearing the TV talking heads tell us that we are living under a neo-Nazi regime that is erecting concentration camps all over the country. Just this month, an MSNBC anchor (and former employee of John McCain) told Americans that the current president was bent on “exterminating Latinos.”

    Obviously, I don’t believe these ridiculous claims about our president or America. But here’s the thing: Many of the loudest voices who demand gun control do make these claims. If these things were true, should we really be expected to give up our Second Amendment and due process rights to marauding Nazis? Please.

    I have five children. I value their safety just as much as supporters of red flag do. We all do (which may be the only thing all Americans share in common right now). But the answer isn’t decimating the Bill of Rights. Once our rights are gone, they are not coming back.

    • Shae Sortwell is a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly, where he represents the people of Wisconsin’s 2nd Assembly District.
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...BoCom4QAvD_BwE
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This fundamentally changes our system from “innocent until proven guilty” unofficially "guilty until proven innocent" to officially “guilty until proven innocent.”
    Fixed.


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      - Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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    The Associated Press noted that Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb welcomed O’Rourke’s push, simply for the damage that it does to the gun control movement. Gottlieb said, “This is what their goal is. We’ve always said it, now they’re saying it. Now they’ve said it and we’re going to make them eat it.”
    Just dropped another donation at https://gunowners.org/support/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Fixed.

    Yes, they've been "unofficially" behaving that way for quite some time now. Being the state it's kinda what they do. But formally and officially repudiating those concepts still represents a quantum leap forward toward outright fascism and is therefore worthy of our most strenuous opposition in every and any way possible. IMO, of course.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Just dropped another donation at https://gunowners.org/support/

    Good man. I'll follow suit as soon as things loosen up a bit. Gotta eat, after all.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Bump
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Worth 8 minutes of your time.


    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    I think El Neil goes a little too easy on back stabbing Republicans in this one, but for the most part it's spot on.

    Profiles In Cowardice
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@netzero.com


    Attribute to L. Neil Smith’s The Libertarian Enterprise

    If my seventy-three years on this poor, battered planet have taught me nothing else, it is that the rarest and most valuable human quality is courage, and that there are more kinds of courage than simply one.

    The kind of courage that we usually think of first is battlefield courage, a strength of character that can take a man (or a woman) into harm’s way for a worthwhile cause, where he (or she) is likely to get injured, captured, or killed. An altogether different kind of courage has less to do with scars or medals than an ability to stand strong against one’s friends when they are not only wrong but dead wrong. It’s the difference between physical courage and what even the Nazi butcher Adolf Eichmann called “civil courage”. In 243 years of American history, vastly more damage has been done to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights—to American values and the American way of life—by a lack of the latter kind of courage than of the former.

    A lack of civil courage, a low, belly-crawling, yellow-striped, craven unwillingness to be embarrassed in the proper cause, negates all of the physical courage ever exhibited in warfare, and allows the home-grown communists that have taken over the Democrat Party and the national media to accomplish what jihadist hijackers, German Nazis, and Russian and Chinese collectivists never could.

    A case in point is Texas Representative Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy Seal who flaunts an eye-patch, signifying a war injury, to differentiate himself from the common herd. It requires courage just to be a Navy Seal, let alone to do what they do every day, but that hasn’t kept this man from bending the knee to the victim disarmament gang in Congress and to the corrupt, polluted news media, by endorsing new and massively unconstitutional gun laws. It begs the question what the flaming $#@! did he imagine he was fighting for Over There? To exactly what noble cause did he believe he had sacrificed his eye?

    Communists?, I pretend to hear you ask. Think about it: Democrats these days are every one, either explicit socialists, or socialists unwilling to publicly announce their real inclinations and intentions. You know who they are, every one of them. And socialism, no less an authority than V. I. Lenin tells us, is nothing more than communism with training wheels.

    Thanks to a long string of spectacular, telegenic public shootings that look more and more politically contrived every year (yes, that’s exactly what I said), to news media that have long been a Democrat propaganda organ, and to gibbering weakness on the part of our supposed allies, these home-grown communists are about to try to disarm every gun owner in the country, using “red flag” laws that the Second Amendment, a part of the highest law of the land, specifically prohibits.

    Under these laws, a mere judge can erase two centuries of American civil librtties. At least one individual so far, an old man in Maryland, has been murdered by the police because he wouldn’t give up the rights he knew were his without condition, and many more are likely to be murdered the same way, as well. Watch this blood-soaked space. And ask your local anti-gun legislator or Congressman why he wants to foment a civil war.

    What does justice (civil, not social) demand in these circumstances? Any politician who writes red flag laws, sponsors them in the legislatures, or votes for them must be subject to fines and imprisonment under Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Sections 241 and 242, that make it a crime to deprive individuals of their rights “under color of law” or to conspire to do so. Any guilty bureaucrat or cop must be summarily removed from office under the Fourteenth Amendment, deprived of all pay and benefits, and forbidden ever to hold public office again.

    If that’s not enough for you, then consider the words of the Second Amendment itself, which states that the individual right to own and carry weapons is “necessary to the security of a free state”. This means that backing or enforcing “gun control” is treason, plain and simple, punishable (under due process, I hasten to add) by death—preferably by public hanging. [Swordy will LOVE this part. CCT)

    Wanna do something about it? I suggest strongly that you demonstrate your own civil courage by printing out this essay and sending it to every bottom-feeding politico who claims to represent you by conspiring to violate your rights. Ask them why their inevitable “answer” to “gun violence” is to threaten everybody who didn’t commit it, with murder-by-cop. If you’re a cop yourself, you must take the same advice that I did, forty-five years ago, from the great historian and moral philosopher Robert LeFevre: resign right now before you destroy somebody’s life over something you don’t believe in, yourself.

    And to Congressman Dan Crenshaw I say, lose the phony eye-patch, get yourself an honest glass eye, and just be the same, ordinary gutless slob on the outside that you are on the inside.
    https://ncc-1776.org/tle2019/tle1037-20190908-02.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Any politician who writes red flag laws, sponsors them in the legislatures, or votes for them must be subject to fines and imprisonment under Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Sections 241 and 242, that make it a crime to deprive individuals of their rights “under color of law” or to conspire to do so. Any guilty bureaucrat or cop must be summarily removed from office under the Fourteenth Amendment, deprived of all pay and benefits, and forbidden ever to hold public office again.

    If that’s not enough for you, then consider the words of the Second Amendment itself, which states that the individual right to own and carry weapons is “necessary to the security of a free state”. This means that backing or enforcing “gun control” is treason, plain and simple, punishable (under due process, I hasten to add) by death—preferably by public hanging.

    This is where I part ways a bit with El Neil. He and many others on the right have been making a LOT of noise about treason lately. I've never been a big fan of the concept of treason. It's a thoroughly authoritarian concept that has no place in a free society, especially not one that enshrines the right of the people to revolt in its founding documents. Certainly, there needs to be some way to address some of the aspects of what is normally thought of as treason, but more often than not the treason winds up being construed as a lack of fealty to the state, which is a completely anti-liberty concept.

    One solution that El Neil offered up almost 20 years ago would be his "Zeroth Amendment." (Not to be confused with the "Zeroth Amendment" relating to immigration that's been floating around the web lately.) If one feels they've just GOT to go that far, I think it's a much more freedom friendly route to go than is treason.

    The Zeroth Amendment
    by L. Neil Smith
    lneil@netzero.com


    Reprinted from The Libertarian Enterprise Number 87, August 28, 2000

    You may have noticed a bit of fuss the other day about a national opinion poll of high school kiddies—"young skulls full of mush", as a certain formerly fat guy likes to call them—which revealed that they favor "serious" gun control measures, and by an overwhelming majority.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    Set aside the fact that many of the laws called for by the poll are already in force (betraying an abysmal ignorance typical of the "experts" on the other side). What are we to make of such views on the part of those to whom some of us were planning to pass the torch of civilization?

    More than one internet correspondent of mine was ready to cut his wrists or stick his head in the oven, figuring, after all the effort we've put in over the last half century, if this is the end result, we might as well give up. I've noticed, however, that there are always those in the freedom movment looking for some reason to give up. There always have been and there always will be. If they'd just go ahead and give up now, for whatever reason, I, for one, would appreciate it very much.

    They could even take their blubbery defeatism and join the other side.

    Please.

    For the rest of us, think for a minute what these opinions really mean.

    They (and the poor ritalin-soaked zombies who believe they thought them up themselves) are products of the public schools. The kids who regurgitated these pasteurized, processed idea-substitutes on command are mind-slaves so profoundly helpless they don't even know they're the captives of fascist indocrination, prisoners of a war they can't see being waged all around them between the ideas of the 18th century founders of this civilization and those of sick, twisted 19th century spider-brains to whom the very notion of individual liberty was a toxin.

    And that's just for starters. For the past year, these poor little coppertops, soaking by the millions in their pink bathtubs, have been jacked straight into a propaganda machine running in high gear, fueled by murders in Littleton, Colorado which could never have happened if the potential victims had been armed and properly educated to protect themselves.

    (I read a column recently by some theorizer trying to argue the tactical impossibility of this, but it was clear to me by the second paragraph that if somebody put an actual gun in his hand, he'd wet himself.)

    What it comes down to is that America's school children have spent their lives being aggressively shielded and sheltered from the truth, without a chance—yet—to learn the lessons that real life has to offer. It's equally clear that it's up to us—to you and me—to provide a lesson along those lines that can't be ignored, by children or by those who insult the English language by calling themselves teachers.

    The children participating in this poll have never been told certain pivotal facts that would probably change their spoon-fed opinions. They've never been told, for example, that no more than a tiny fraction of a percent of privately owned guns are ever involved in a crime. They've never been told that privately owned guns, in fact, dramatically reduce crime when carried on the persons of their owners.

    They've never been told "gun control" is a euphemism for victim disarmament.

    They've never been told that the Founding Fathers intended us to have privately owned guns at least as good as the government's so that the government would be afraid to try running our lives. They've never been told that giving the government a list of privately owned guns or their owners defeats the whole purpose of having them in the first place.

    Which is, of course, exactly what the gun-grabbers have in mind.


    They've never been told the basic truth of the matter, that every man, woman, and responsible child has an unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon—rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission.

    They've never been told that those who want to end private gun ownership are not lovely, sweet, humane individuals, but evil, stupid, and insane hypocrites who would rather see a women raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.

    Life will teach all of these lessons eventually, as it did to you and me, to those among them who aren't evil, stupid, or insane. But we can hasten the learning process by demonstrating to them what happens to those who've lied to them and tried to rob them of their mental liberty.

    Let's start with a Constitutional Amendment:

    ARTICLE ZERO

    I. Any public official or employee who, knowingly or unknowingly, violates—or participates in the violation of—any provision of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution shall, in full public view and over such media as exist at the time, be hanged by the neck until he is dead.

    II. The word "he" is not to be construed so as to exclude female public officials or employees.

    III. This amendment, upon ratification, shall be inserted in the Constitution just before the First Amendment.

    I think it was Hobbes (the philosopher, not the tiger) who pointed out that "the covenant without the sword"—that is, a law without teeth—isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. At least I think it was Hobbes.

    But I don't think he meant spit.

    The Anti-Federalists imposed the Bill of Rights on the Federalists as the price for ratifying the Constitution, but they failed somehow to include teeth in the form of an enforcement clause. Old Alexander Hamilton has to have been laughing in his grave for the past couple of centuries.

    This is the enforcement clause we've needed all along.

    And it's an educational exercise, too. Can you imagine the lesson to be learned in a future nation that has ratified this amendment, watching creatures like Charles Schumer and Diane Feinstein dancing on the hemp, their tongues swollen and their eyes bulging out of their sockets?

    Can you imagine a gun control poll even being conducted in such a nation?
    https://ncc-1776.org/tle2007/tle445-20071125-02.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This is where I part ways a bit with El Neil. He and many others on the right have been making a LOT of noise about treason lately. I've never been a big fan of the concept of treason. It's a thoroughly authoritarian concept that has no place in a free society, especially not one that enshrines the right of the people to revolt in its founding documents. Certainly, there needs to be some way to address some of the aspects of what is normally thought of as treason, but more often than not the treason winds up being construed as a lack of fealty to the state, which is a completely anti-liberty concept.

    One solution that El Neil offered up almost 20 years ago would be his "Zeroth Amendment." (Not to be confused with the "Zeroth Amendment" relating to immigration that's been floating around the web lately.) If one feels they've just GOT to go that far, I think it's a much more freedom friendly route to go than is treason.



    https://ncc-1776.org/tle2007/tle445-20071125-02.html
    Oh! Dear!
    You're calling for violence again.

    Originally Posted by CCTelander

    No, that's not the only alternative. What that IS is a false dilemma fallacy. But you knew that already.

    Plus, it's interesting to note that you've been spending a great deal of time here lately advocating violence of various sorts. You've also shown a disturbing bloodthirst, advocating throwing people from helicopters or putting them before firing squads for what amounts to thought crimes. You should probably be careful with that. It may put you at serious legal risk, and certainly does so for this site.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Oh! Dear!
    You're calling for violence again.

    Did you have something of substance to add? No? Then carry on with your useless trolling.

    And calling for justice is a far cry from advocating shoving guns in people's faces to "convince" them to adopt liberty. That's more like attempting to redo the Crusades. But you know all that already.

    Carry on.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Did you have something of substance to add? No? Then carry on with your useless trolling.
    I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and I will as often as I feel like

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And calling for justice is a far cry from advocating shoving guns in people's faces to "convince" them to adopt liberty. That's more like attempting to redo the Crusades. But you know all that already.

    Carry on.
    The founders did exactly that and that is what will be required to ever have an opportunity to execute those who violate our rights as you are suggesting.

    You just are trying to get me banned and you don't care what stupid garbage you have to say to try and do that.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and I will as often as I feel like

    No hypocrisy at all. As noted, calling for justice is a FAR CRY from advocating attempting to "convert" one's neighbors at gun point, or advocating throwing "communists" from helicopters and then labeling a large number of the people you interact with daily as "communists," or labeling those same people as "traitors" and then repeatedly making reference to the historical treatment of traitors. None of those things are in any way similar to what I've suggested.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The founders did exactly that and that is what will be required to ever have an opportunity to execute those who violate our rights as you are suggesting.

    You just are trying to get me banned and you don't care what stupid garbage you have to say to try and do that.

    No, actually I'm not trying to get you banned and never have done so. But your attitude of perpetual victimhood will continue to insist that I am, no doubt.

    Carry on.

    And please, quit trashing up my thread with your petty, vindictive trolling. If you have something substantive to add, by all means do so and maybe, just maybe we can discuss that in a civilized manner. Up to you.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 10-05-2019 at 06:51 PM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    No hypocrisy at all. As noted, calling for justice is a FAR CRY from advocating attempting to "convert" one's neighbors at gun point, or advocating throwing "communists" from helicopters and then labeling a large number of the people you interact with daily as "communists," or labeling those same people as "traitors" and then repeatedly making reference to the historical treatment of traitors. None of those things are in any way similar to what I've suggested.
    Anyone who tries to use government to violate our basic GOD given rights is guilty of treason as your own article points out, and voters are no less guilty than the politicians they elect to do the dirty work for them.
    They use government force against us and and open themselves up to the use of force to defend ourselves and reclaim our rights, I have many times called for most of them to be expelled or allowed to secede but that is being charitable, those that die after they start a civil war will fully deserve their fates as will any that resist expulsion or division of territory after we win.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  31. #27
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    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  32. #28

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Their use is expanding:

    Using a red flag law, Washington police seize guns from a suspected white supremacist

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz_7o-64878

    The Thought Police are alive and well in WA state, it seems.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    The Thought Police are alive and well in WA state, it seems.
    As it happens, these days Wash State and Wash DC appear to be on the same page on this issue.


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