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    It now costs $350,000 a year to live a middle-class lifestyle in a big city

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/you-...heres-why.html

    Sep 11 2019

    Here’s a sad reality: In order to raise a family in an expensive coastal city like San Francisco or New York, you’ve now got to make $350,000 or more a year.

    You can certainly live on less, but it won’t be easy if your goal is to raise a family, save for your children’s education, save for your own home and save for retirement (so you can actually retire by a reasonable age).

    A middle-class lifestyle is a reasonable ask. But thanks to inflation, it has gotten a lot more expensive if you want to have children. The median wealth of middle-income Americans has stayed flat for years, at about $87,140, according to the Federal Reserve’s latest Survey of Consumer Finances. Yet, prices for things such as housing and college tuition have risen tremendously.

    In some major cities like San Francisco, the public school system starting in kindergarten is based on a lottery system, so even if you pay tens of thousands of dollars per year in property tax, your child is not guaranteed a spot in your neighborhood schools.

    Coastal counties in the U.S. are home to almost half of the nation’s total population; therefore, this article is directly targeted at folks who need to live in these areas because of their jobs, schools or families.

    Who makes $350,000 a year?
    Before we look at how quickly $350,000 can be spent by a family of four, let’s go through a list of various workers who will eventually make around $350,000 on their own or in household income if they have a partner who also works:

    • A Bay Area Rapid Transit janitor who makes $234,000 plus $36,000 in benefits marries a Bay Area Rapid Transit elevator technician who makes over $250,000 in salary and benefits. Together, they’d make well over $350,000.
    • Starting total compensation packages for recent college graduate employees at Facebook, Google, Airbnb and Apple range from $120,000 to $150,000. By the time these employees turn 35, their total compensation alone can easily surpass $350,000.
    • A 30-something first-year associate in investment banking earns, on average, a base salary of $150,000 plus a $20,000 to $100,000 bonus. After five years of experience, a total compensation of $350,000 should be achievable.
    • A 20-something first-year big law associate makes a base salary of up to $190,000 plus a $20,000 signing bonus. By the end of their seventh year, many are making over $350,000.
    • A 40-something tenured professor could make about $202,000 at the University of California, Berkeley, $260,000 at Columbia University and $218,000 at New York University.
    • A specialist doctor finishing his or her fellowship at around the age of 32 could make about $300,000. After several years in the business, $350,000 isn’t unheard of.





    The permutations of people making $350,000 goes on and on. For many professionals, if they aren’t there now, they’ll get to such a level of income eventually, especially if they team up with someone else.

    Living a middle-class lifestyle on $350,000 a year
    Below is an example budget of a dual-income household with two kids. The budget has been vetted by thousands of readers on my personal finance website, Financial Samurai, who also raise families in expensive cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Boston and Washington, D.C.



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    A Bay Area Rapid Transit janitor who makes $234,000 plus $36,000 in benefits marries a Bay Area Rapid Transit elevator technician who makes over $250,000 in salary and benefits. Together, they’d make well over $350,000.
    A janitor is bringing in $234,000?

    Looking at a news article, How one Bay Area janitor made $276,000 last year, it would appear that that in general is a bunch of bull$#@!.

    Not to say they aren't overpaid but,

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    There are only so many homes in these places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    There are only so many homes in these places.
    Does it ever cross your mind the thought of much of the demand being fake?

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    Where I am you can live very well on 40 - 50K and live on less . Why would anyone even want to live in a city large enough and expensive enough you need 350K ?
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    Let's pick the most expensive places to live and use that to represent the average American middle class family. Seems legit.

    $70 a day for food?

    Food: $2,129 per month
    Preschool: $2,000 per month
    Childcare: $2,450 per month
    Entertainment: $500 per month. Date night can easily cost $200 per outing for two once you include tickets to a ball game or an Off-Broadway show and transportation. Entertainment costs also include sporting equipment, memberships, Netflix, cable, internet and more.
    Sure, sounds like just an average family.
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