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    Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related dea

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html

    The Trump administration is preparing to ban flavored e-cigarettes as federal health officials call for restrictions to combat an outbreak of a mysterious lung disease that has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar told reporters Wednesday.

    President Donald Trump held a policy meeting on the issue at the White House on Wednesday.

    The meeting comes as members of Congress increasingly pressure the administration to rein in the e-cigarette industry. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating more than 450 cases of lung disease officials suspect were caused by vaping.

    Some officials have honed in on a vitamin E oil that’s been added to some THC vaping products as a possible cause. Regardless, the outbreak has fueled calls to restrict the e-cigarette industry amid what regulators are calling an “epidemic” of teen vaping.
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    Ya, that isn't going to work, it actually makes it more dangerous.

    They can ban flavored nicotine together, but they can't ban them separately. That just means people will mix there own, which is where the danger comes in.
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    This is a good time to ask, "Who benefits?".

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    Mods please merge my thread with Zippy's

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    I disagree with Trump on that. Hope he changes his position!

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    Oh great more "non"authoritarisnism from the Cheetoh in Chief. Winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Oh great more "non"authoritarisnism from the Cheetoh in Chief. Winning.
    Pssh who needs Congress any more. Trump, like Obama, has a pen and phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Pssh who needs Congress any more. Trump, like Obama, has a pen and phone.
    You noticed that too. Congress is begging the Executive Branch to legislate.

    The meeting comes as members of Congress increasingly pressure the administration to rein in the e-cigarette industry.
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    “But it’s an emergency, and something needs to be done now, even if it’s wrong or unconstitutional.”

    SOP in DC.


    That being said, compare this to other products which may have an immediate health risk (if the stories of beginners dying are true). When the source is found (say spinach or ground beef), there is usually a recall, and if counterfeit products are the culprit, arrests and prosecutions should follow, including charges related to the deaths.

    In China, they did eventually execute some of the people who made tainted products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You noticed that too. Congress is begging the Executive Branch to legislate.
    We've gone from requiring a Constitutional Amendment to ban a product to essentially banning via Twitter.


    Never mind that the deaths/illnesses were allegedly from THC/CBD products. The response? Ban flavored nicotine products. smh
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya, that isn't going to work, it actually makes it more dangerous.

    They can ban flavored nicotine together, but they can't ban them separately. That just means people will mix there own, which is where the danger comes in.
    They don't care whether it is dangerous, or whether something will make it more or less dangerous.

    Those things are just excuses for them to "do something" - which is how they justify their continued existence.

    Lawmakers gonna make laws.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    They don't care whether it is dangerous, or whether something will make it more or less dangerous.

    Those things are just excuses for them to "do something" - which is how they justify their continued existence.

    Lawmakers gonna make laws.

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