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    Newly released transcripts tell last, gruesome moments of columnist Jamal Khashoggi

    Newly released transcripts provide insight into the final moments of Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed by Saudi agents inside the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.

    The authenticity of the transcripts, which were published Tuesday in the Turkish media for the first time, were confirmed to ABC News by Turkish authorities.

    The transcripts reveal gruesome details from the murder that has cast a shadow over Saudi relations with the United States.

    The reported transcribed conversations show the 15-member team of Saudi officials discussing what to do with Khashoggi's body before he arrived at the consulate, seeking paperwork for his upcoming marriage to his fiancée Hatice Cengiz. It's unclear how Turkey was able to record the events in the Saudi consulate as they unfolded.

    Saudi Arabia has said that the team was rogue, misinterpreting an old edict to convince Saudi dissidents to come home and killing Khashoggi by accident. Those 15 individuals have been on trial in the kingdom, but the proceedings have been closed to the public.

    "Is it possible to put the body in a bag?" asked Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, a senior member of the team, 12 minutes before Khashoggi arrived on Oct. 2.

    Dr. Salah Muhammed Tubaigy, who served as forensic chief at the Saudi General Security Department, responded, "No. Too heavy, very tall too."

    "I know how to cut very well," Tubaigy added. "I have never worked on a warm body though, but I'll also manage that easily. I normally put on my earphones and listen to music when I cut cadavers. In the meantime, I sip on my coffee and smoke. After I dismember it, you will wrap the parts into plastic bags, put them in suitcases and take them out."

    According to Turkish officials, the team did that, removing Khashoggi's body in pieces in five suitcases. His remains have never been found.

    In another portion of the transcript, after Khashoggi arrived, he was told to send his son a text message. Mutreb told him to "write something like 'I'm in Istanbul. Don't worry if you cannot reach me.'"

    Khashoggi responded, "How can such a thing take place at a consulate? I'm not writing anything."

    "Write it, Mr. Jamal. Hurry up. Help us so we can help you, because in the end we will take you back to Saudi Arabia and if you don't help us you know what will happen eventually," Mutreb fired back.


    "There is a towel here. Will you have me drugged?" Khashoggi asked.

    Tubaigy then stepped in and said, "We will put you to sleep."

    The team then put a plastic bag over his head and suffocated him, with scuffling and struggling heard and a few commands given, such as, "Keep pushing" and "push it well."

    Khashoggi's last words were, "I have asthma. Do not do it, you will suffocate me," according to the transcripts.

    Shortly afterward, the sound of a bone saw is heard.


    A United Nations special investigator determined in a report in June that Khashoggi's murder was perpetrated at the highest levels of the Saudi Arabian power structure and required further investigation of senior Saudi officials, including Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    Saudi Arabia blasted the report as based on "many unfounded accusations" and questioned "the impartiality and lack of objectivity of the report" and its author, U.N. Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions Agnès Callamard.

    "The kingdom will never accept any attempt to harm its sovereignty and that it categorically rejects any attempt to derail this issue away from the kingdom's justice system or any attempt to influence it in any way," according to Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Adel Al Jubeir.


    President Donald Trump was equally dismissive of the investigation, saying he did not raise the issue with the crown prince in a meeting at the G-20 and telling NBC News that the murder had "been heavily investigated. ... By everybody."

    The Trump administration has said it continues to collect evidence on the murder, but has largely accepted the Saudi defense that it was a rogue operation carried out by a 15-member team -- all of whom were placed under U.S. sanctions last November.

    "We continue to urge the Saudi government to ascertain all the facts and hold those responsible for the murder accountable. We are awaiting conclusion of the criminal trial in Riyadh," a State Department spokesperson told ABC News on Tuesday. "If additional facts come to light, we will consider further measures."

    Members of Congress -- in both parties -- have challenged Trump on his efforts to dismiss Saudi Arabia's role in Khashoggi's death in an effort to keep business as usual.
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    Our good buddies the enlightened Saudi's. I wonder if they had CIA training?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Our good buddies the enlightened Saudi's. I wonder if they had CIA training?
    They took School in the Americas.

    On a serious note though, who talks like that?

    I hope the Turks used Google Translate to decipher what the assassins were saying, otherwise it sounds like a bunch of bull$#@!. Even if he was smothered and cut up or whatever happened.
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    Still waiting for the Turks to prove what they claim instead of just expecting us to take their word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Still waiting for the Turks to prove what they claim instead of just expecting us to take their word.
    Good point. I trust them about as much as I trust the Saudi's.
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    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
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    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Still waiting for the Turks to prove what they claim instead of just expecting us to take their word.
    Well he hasn't been heard from since and the people behind it are reportedly on trial.

    What do you suppose happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Well he hasn't been heard from since and the people behind it are reportedly on trial.

    What do you suppose happened?
    Lots of different groups may have taken him out or faked his death.

    The Turks have yet to release any of their supposed evidence and they can't be trusted any more than the Saudis.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Lots of different groups may have taken him out or faked his death.

    The Turks have yet to release any of their supposed evidence and they can't be trusted any more than the Saudis.
    Yeah.

    Their transcript sounds fake as all hell.

    Maybe just a bad translation but who knows.

    If this, even assuming it was manufactured by the Turks, was the reasoning behind stopping arms sales and military assistance to the Saudis, well that would be just fine.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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