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    ''Free Stuff''; John Stossel , Is this legal ?

    I wonder if this is legal, IMV these candidates are offering nothing less than
    cash for votes, bribery and theft all rolled into one.





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    We need a Constitutional amendment depriving anyone who gets any money from government of the vote.
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    Tax cuts for the wealthy that don't expire, while tax cuts for the rest do expire, should fall under giveaways. Anyone that benefits from crony capitalism also gets things for free.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    $1 trillion for infrastructure spending. Billions for the military. That will be free because our allies will finally "pay their share". Billions to farmers bailing them out from Trump Tariff impacts. That will be free because China is paying $billions in tariffs (actually US companies and consumers are paying the tariffs). The wall was going to be free because Mexico would pay for it. And healthcare for all. $20 billion for "school choice". Six weeks paid maternity leave (if your employer doesn't offer it, the government will take care of it). More money for veterans. More money for mental healthcare. Bail out the Carrier plant in Indiana. Tax cuts for everybody! (more free stuff!) And after all of that, balance the budget and get rid of the debt in eight years.

    Of course, he didn't get (or ask for) everything he promised on the campaign trail- Congress decides how much to spend on what.



    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-09-2019 at 04:48 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Tax cuts for the wealthy that don't expire, while tax cuts for the rest do expire, should fall under giveaways. Anyone that benefits from crony capitalism also gets things for free.
    Are the wealthy still being taxed more than everyone else?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Are the wealthy still being taxed more than everyone else?
    I haven't heard if Warren Buffet is still being taxed less than his secretary after the latest tax changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    I haven't heard if Warren Buffet is still being taxed less than his secretary after the latest tax changes.
    He's the only wealthy man?
    Trump cut capital gains taxes? (that's how Buffet pays so little, he pays capital gains on most of his income)

    There are loopholes but there is also a mjor problem with soaking the rich and buying off the slums.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Giving away free stuff is the only way Democrats can get people to appeal to them. They don't want to work for things. People want things handed to them on a silver platter.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    . Tax cuts for everybody! (more free stuff!)
    WOW, the true commie comes out...again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    WOW, the true commie comes out...again.
    "You don't need to pay for government. It will be free!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "You don't need to pay for government. It will be free!"
    We cannot afford free government.
    Truth is Fallacy, Fallacy is Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "You don't need to pay for government. It will be free!"
    The price of government is freedom.
    Truth is Fallacy, Fallacy is Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's the only wealthy man?
    Trump cut capital gains taxes? (that's how Buffet pays so little, he pays capital gains on most of his income)

    There are loopholes but there is also a mjor problem with soaking the rich and buying off the slums.
    Of course not, Buffet just happens to be one of the very richest and has talked about issues with taxes. Buffet was paying a smaller percentage under Obama, I honestly don't know how the recent tax cuts affected him.

    Unless we get a Rand in there to shred the entire tax code and get rid of all the loopholes, while #taxationistheft we should at least have an even playing field. The tax cuts that expires for some, but not others, is also very disingenuous. Hence my opinion that anyone that benefits from those loopholes is getting a free handout from the gov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Of course not, Buffet just happens to be one of the very richest and has talked about issues with taxes. Buffet was paying a smaller percentage under Obama, I honestly don't know how the recent tax cuts affected him.

    Unless we get a Rand in there to shred the entire tax code and get rid of all the loopholes, while #taxationistheft we should at least have an even playing field. The tax cuts that expires for some, but not others, is also very disingenuous. Hence my opinion that anyone that benefits from those loopholes is getting a free handout from the gov.
    A level playing field is what we want (unless we can get rid of the income tax entirely) but I think Trump's tax cut got us closer to one even with the parts that expire.
    And I'm pretty sure Trump has said he wants to make all of the cute permanent and add more.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Here's just one of the promises FOR VOTES, this isn't just pandering to a few super rich folks,
    this is for millions of votes:

    Erase Student Debt;
    45 million students with SLD, that's easily 45 million votes,
    this cycle or next, young, impressionable, and hungry' students.
    How in the hell is this legal?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Here's just one of the promises FOR VOTES, this isn't just pandering to a few super rich folks,
    this is for millions of votes:

    Erase Student Debt;
    45 million students with SLD, that's easily 45 million votes,
    this cycle or next, young, impressionable, and hungry' students.
    How in the hell is this legal?

    Pandering is what all politicians do. You can't get them drunk in a bar on election night and help them make the "right choice" so you help them in other ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    I haven't heard if Warren Buffet is still being taxed less than his secretary after the latest tax changes.
    Buffett's secretary gets a larger salary than Warren. That's what conveniently gets left out. Buffett only pays himself 100k. His money is all in his company stock. He pays corporate income taxes plus capital gains tax if sells stock which effectively puts his rate in the top bracket.

    Capital gains tax rates can be debated. But that isn't a giveaway. Warren's capital gains rate would be zero in Hong Kong and Singapore.

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    I sort of remember Ron Paul saying, nothing is free, somebody has to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Pandering is what all politicians do. You can't get them drunk in a bar on election night and help them make the "right choice" so you help them in other ways.
    So what is it exactly that you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    So what is it exactly that you do?
    He helps them understand that there is video?
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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