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    Boris Johnson is urged to become a 'Brexit martyr' after suggesting he could break the law

    Boris Johnson wrote to all Tory members last night to indicate that he would rather defy the law than beg Brussels for a delay in bringing Britain out of the EU.

    The Prime Minister said he was only bound 'in theory' by a law which is expected to receive Royal Assent on Monday, taking a No Deal Brexit off the table.

    In his letter, he reiterated his determination to stand firm against Remainers, saying: 'They just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the Brexit deadline. This is something I will never do.'

    Earlier on Friday he told reporters he would not entertain seeking another deadline extension from Brussels, as the incoming law compels him to do if no agreement is in place by October 19.

    He was urged last night by Tory grandee Iain Duncan Smith to hold his nerve, saying he would be 'martyred' if he chose to break the law and risk a possible prison sentence for contempt of Parliament.

    Mr Duncan Smith told The Telegraph: 'This is about Parliament versus the people. Boris Johnson is on the side of the people, who voted to leave the EU.

    'The people are sovereign because they elect Parliament. But Parliament wants to stop the will of the people.'

    If Mr Johnson fails to carry out the will of Parliament, he risks being taken to court and, if a judge ordered him to obey Parliament, he could be held in contempt and even jailed for refusing.

    Mr Johnsonís latest plans for a snap election appeared to have been scuppered yet again last night by a ístitch-upí between Jeremy Corbyn and Remain parties.

    Labour, the Lib Dems and Scots and Welsh nationalists agreed to block the public going to the polls before October 31.

    It leaves the Prime Minister in limbo, forced to choose between resigning or defying a law passed by MPs ruling out a No Deal Brexit.

    He has emphatically ruled out further delay.

    It came as the Conservative party remained at loggerheads over the Brexit crisis.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-No-Deal.html



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    Nigel Farage and Brexiteer Tories in talks over possible election pact


    According to The Telegraph, a number of Brexiteer MPs have met with Nigel Farage amid concerns that the Conservatives would not secure a significant majority in a snap election.

    Many of them fear, however, that the Prime Minister’s chief strategist, Dominic Cummings, would block such a pact as he refused to join forces with Mr Farage during the Vote Leave campaign.

    One well-placed source said: “There have been conversations between the Brexit Party and the ERG. Not just with Farage but also at a local level.

    “The feeling is that it would be mad to let the Remainers do an alliance but not the Brexiteers."

    The source also added that the party should learn from the mistakes of the referendum campaign, when the official Vote Leave campaign refused to work with Nigel Farage’s Leave.EU group.

    Meanwhile, the Brexit Party took out a full-page advertisement in The Telegraph today, outlining an election offer from Mr Farage to the Prime Minister.

    In it, Mr Farage urged Mr Johnson to deliver a “clean-break Brexit” on Oct 31 rather than “a reheated version of Theresa May’s appalling Withdrawal Agreement”.

    The Brexit Party leader also added: “If Mr Johnson commits to a clean-break Brexit we are ready to back him, by fighting our electoral battles selectively and targeting the Remainer establishment.

    “To get Brexit, we will have to defeat Jeremy Corbyn’s Remainer Labour Party. The Brexit Party stands by far the best chance of beating Labour in many seats nationwide.

    “Together we would be unstoppable, rout the Remainers and deliver a large Brexit majority in Parliament. If Boris seizes this opportunity, he can be a hero.”

    However, its likely Mr Cummings would block any deal with the Brexit Party, with one Tory source adding: “Cummings is the obstacle to a deal between Boris and Nigel.

    “Boris and Nigel did speak during the referendum campaign and got on, but Cummings doesn’t like Nigel. There’s an intellectual snobbery there.”
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-over-possible
    Last edited by Warlord; 09-07-2019 at 03:00 AM.

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    Boris Johnson could go to jail if he refuses to delay Brexit, says former prosecutions chief

    The former director of public prosecutions has told Sky News that Boris Johnson could go to prison if he refuses to delay Brexit in the face of court action.

    The prime minister has said he will not agree an extension, despite parliament passing a law forcing him to do so.

    Lord MacDonald, who held the senior prosecutor post between 2003 and 2008, said legal action would mean a court ordering that "the law should be followed".

    "A refusal in the face of that would amount to contempt of court which could find that person in prison", he said.

    The cross-bench peer said this was "not an extreme outcome" as it was "convention" that individuals who refuse to "purge their contempt" are sent to prison.

    However it is also possible that a court could demand another figure in government authorises the delay.
    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...chief-11804290

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    Johnson cares more about being PM than being a martyr. He has been on both sides of the Brexit issue- depending on what polls at the time said was popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Johnson cares more about being PM than being a martyr. He has been on both sides of the Brexit issue- depending on what polls at the time said was popular.
    Do you think he deserves to be sent to prison, Zippy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Do you think he deserves to be sent to prison, Zippy?
    The law requires him to ASK for an extension. It does not require that the EU accept the request and Brexit be delayed any. All 27 EU countries would have to agree with the extension- if only one votes against it, the delay is denied and Johnson is covered. That would comply and he could still get his "hard Brexit" in time for Halloween.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2019 at 10:48 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The law requires him to ASK for an extension. It does not require that the EU accept the request and Brexit be delayed any. All 27 EU countries would have to agree with the extension- if only one votes against it, the delay is denied and Johnson is covered. That would comply and he could still get his "hard Brexit" in time for Halloween.

    He needs an ally like the Hungarian PM to veto it in the EU Council. Maybe this will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The law requires him to ASK for an extension. It does not require that the EU accept the request and Brexit be delayed any. All 27 EU countries would have to agree with the extension- if only one votes against it, the delay is denied and Johnson is covered. That would comply and he could still get his "hard Brexit" in time for Halloween.
    The law says Brexit should already have happened, May and all of the remainers should go to prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The law says Brexit should already have happened, May and all of the remainers should go to prison.
    Which law was violated?

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ief-article-50

    Article 50

    1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

    2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

    4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

    5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which law was violated?
    The law implementing Brexit gave a specific date, that date came and went and the law was not amended, it was just ignored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The law implementing Brexit gave a specific date, that date came and went and the law was not amended, it was just ignored.
    Link to the law? Or a summary of it?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39143978

    So when does the UK actually leave?

    The time-frame allowed in Article 50 is two years - and this can only be extended by unanimous agreement from all EU countries.

    If no agreement is reached in two years, and no extension is agreed, the UK automatically leaves the EU and all existing agreements - including access to the single market - would cease to apply to the UK. If that happens, Brexit Day would be Friday, 29 March 2019.
    The extension was agreed to. More than once- the latest expires October 31st. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47889404

    Brexit: UK and EU agree delay to 31 October

    European Union leaders have granted the UK a six-month extension to Brexit, after late-night talks in Brussels.

    The new deadline - 31 October - averts the prospect of the UK having to leave the EU without a deal on Friday, as MPs are still deadlocked over a deal.

    European Council President Donald Tusk said his "message to British friends" was "please do not waste this time".

    Theresa May, who had wanted a shorter delay, said the UK would still aim to leave the EU as soon as possible.
    Technically, they can still cancel Brexit before then if they want to also (though I don't see much chance of that happening).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2019 at 03:17 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link to the law? Or a summary of it?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39143978



    The extension was agreed to. More than once- the latest expires October 31st. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47889404



    Technically, they can still cancel Brexit before then if they want to also (though I don't see much chance of that happening).
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Media SILENCE as massive Brexit Court Battle RAGES!


    The full legal document reads as follows:
    1. It is submitted that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has left the European Union as of the 29th March 2019 after the expiry of its two year Notice to Leave dated 29th March 2017.
    2. Much of the relevant law has been explored and ruled upon by this Honourable Court and by the Court of Appeal and by the Supreme Court in the case of R (on the application of Miller and another) – v – Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union [2017] UKSC5. Consequently Parliament enacted the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017.
    3. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland joined the European Union pursuant to Treaty in 1972 and subsequently the European Union Act 1972 was enacted to give domestic legal force to the Treaty obligations to the European Union.
    4. The current overarching constitution of the European Union was reformed under the Lisbon Treaty which was brought into direct legal force in the United Kingdom pursuant to the European Union (Amendment) Act 2008.
    5. Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty reads as follows:-
    “Article 50 – Treaty on European Union (TEU)
    1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
    2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
    4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
    5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asked to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.”
    6. On the 23rd June 2016 the voters of the United Kingdom, by a majority, and the voters of England by a larger majority, voted, in the largest democratic mandate in the United Kingdom’s history, to leave the European Union.
    7. In accordance with the United Kingdom’s “Constitutional Requirements” Parliament enacted the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017. The Preamble to that Act states that it is:- “An Act to confer power on the Prime Minister to notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU”
    The Act provides:-
    “1. Power to notify withdrawal from the EU
    (1) The Prime Minister may notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.”
    8. Pursuant to the statutory power granted by the European Withdrawal Act 2017 the Prime Minister duly served the Notice on 29th March 2017. That Notice expired on the 29th March 2019.
    9. Accordingly it is submitted that as of the scintilla temporis after the expiry of the said notice on the 29th March 2019, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has left the European Union.
    10. In the European Union Withdrawal Act 2018 Parliament further enacted a transitional scheme whereby it proposed to transpose all EU law into a direct effect in the UK jurisdictions of Northern Ireland, Scotland and England and Wales. Much of that Act has not been brought into force. The Act mis-describes its implementation date as “exit day”. This is something of a misnomer since under the true construction of this Act it has no role, either purported or implicit, in determining the date of departure of the UK leaving the European Union. Within the meaning of the Act, “exit date” is merely the implementation date for the Act’s transactional arrangements.
    11. The Applicant is aware that there has been purported ministerial Regulation under the 2018 Act which may have been approved by resolution in both Houses. However even if it has, it is submitted that such a Regulation cannot of itself be in any way definitive of the UK’s actual departure from the European Union. The relevant wording of the Act makes this clear:-
    “European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018
    An act to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 and make other provision in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU.
    [26th June 2018]
    1 Repeal of the European Communities Act 1972
    The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day.
    2 Saving for EU-derived domestic legislation
    (1) EU-derived domestic legislation, as it has effect in domestic law immediately before exit day, continues to have effect in domestic law on and after exit day.
    20 Interpretation
    (1) In this Act—
    “exit day” means 29 March 2019 at 11.00 p.m. (and see subsections (2) to (5));
    (2) In this Act references to before, after or on exit day, or to beginning with exit day, are to be read as references to before, after or at 11.00 p.m. on 29 March 2019 or (as the case may be) to beginning with 11.00 p.m. on that day.
    (3) Subsection (4) applies if the day or time on or at which the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom in accordance with Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union is different from that specified in the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1).
    (4) A Minister of the Crown may by regulations—
    (a) amend the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1) to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom, and
    (b) amend subsection (2) in consequence of any such amendment.”
    12. Despite the express wording of the European Union (Notification f Withdrawal) Act 2017, expressly only empowering the Prime Minister to give Notice to withdraw the United Kingdom from the EU, the Prime Minister has purported to request an extension of the Article 50 date for departure and subsequently purported to agree an extension to the date of departure.
    13. It is submitted, in accordance with long and high authority of legal precedents and also recently and comprehensively in R (on the application of Miller and another) – v – Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union [2017] UKSC5 that, statute fully displaces any residual prerogative powers.
    14. In the premises the only power that the Prime Minister had, as regards Article 50, was the service of the Notice withdrawing the United Kingdom from the EU and giving two years notice. That power was functus officio on the 29th March 2017. Accordingly, her purported request for an extension of the date of departure and the Government’s purported agreement to such an extension is and was unlawful and is and was null and void.
    15. In the premises the Applicant seeks a Declaration from this Honourable Court that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland left the European Union upon the expiry of the Article 50 Notice on the 29th March 2019.




    More at: https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/media...-battle-rages/
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    That is a legal filing in a case, not a law:

    Now if you recall the Gina Miller legal case that was backed by shady millionaires and billionaires this received wall to wall mainstream media coverage yet there is total silence on this issue and the question remains as to why?

    In a livestream earlier well known activist Graeme Moore said that the paperwork has now been submitted to both Number 10 Downing and the High Court which includes the draft of argument. The matter is now with a Judge and Mr Moore appears confident that the Judge will give leave and put this before a court. If for any reason the Judge doesn’t do this then they would appeal. They are hopeful that the decision of the judge will be imminent.

    Mr Moore also questioned as to why this ground breaking case was receiving no media coverage as well.
    However, it includes the power to change the date:

    (4) A Minister of the Crown may by regulations—
    (a) amend the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1) to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom, and
    (b) amend subsection (2) in consequence of any such amendment.”

    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
    The European Council agreed to extend the date. Twice. October 31st being the latest extension.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2019 at 03:36 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It includes the power to change the date:






    The European Council agreed to extend the date. Twice.
    The date may only be amended for a specific purpose:

    to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom
    The extensions were not for that purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The date may only be amended for a specific purpose:



    The extensions were not for that purpose.
    What you posted was not a law. The relevant law is Article 50 which allows extension if there is unanimous agreement by the EU and there was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What you posted was not a law. The relevant law is Article 50 which allows extension if there is unanimous agreement by the EU and there was.
    The lawsuit is about the law passed to leave:

    Consequently Parliament enacted the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017.
    Learn to read.
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The lawsuit is about the law passed to leave:



    Learn to read.
    Yes, a lawsuit, not a law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Yes, a lawsuit, not a law.
    IT IS ABOUT THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED:

    the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Amber Rudd resigned from British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Cabinet on Sept. 7, saying she could not support his handling of the United Kingdom's departure from the European Union or his decision to ban 21 members from the Conservative Party for voting to stop a no-deal Brexit, Reuters reported. The work and pensions secretary said she no longer believed leaving the European Union with an exit agreement was the government's "main objective."

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...andling-brexit
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #20
    Now Mr Johnson’s *advisers have found an *obscure facet of EU law which they claim would *enable the UK to paralyse the ruling European Commission if we remain beyond the current exit deadline of October 31.
    The Commission must have 28 commissioners by November 1, one for each member state.
    Mr Johnson will refuse to *supply one from Britain. That means the Commission cannot legally constitute itself.


    And if the EU tries to reduce the number to 27 so they can begin work, Mr Johnson will use Britain’s veto to stop them.
    A No.10 source said: “We will play the EU at their own game and fight fire with fire.”
    And a senior Whitehall *official told the Sunday People: “We’re not going to take this *lying down as Theresa May ’s *administration did.”
    Mr Johnson goes to Brussels for the crunch European Council meeting on Thursday October 17.

    Mr Johnson is gambling the EU will insist we leave by October 31 anyway so its institutions can be up and running next day.
    Meanwhile the PM – who flew back to London with girlfriend Carrie Symonds yesterday after cutting short a visit to the Queen at Balmoral, Scotland – is looking at more desperate ways to force an election.
    The most outlandish is to trigger a vote of no confidence in himself so Britain can go to the polls on Friday, October 25, six days before Brexit Day.
    A Whitehall source said: “That *option is still on the table.”
    No10 are also considering a legal challenge to the no-deal Bill launched by Labour ’s Hilary Benn which passed all its Parliamentary stages on Friday. Mr Johnson could argue that under Commons rules it should never have been allowed in the first place.

    More at: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-plan-19856454
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Now Mr Johnson’s *advisers have found an *obscure facet of EU law which they claim would *enable the UK to paralyse the ruling European Commission if we remain beyond the current exit deadline of October 31.
    The Commission must have 28 commissioners by November 1, one for each member state.
    Mr Johnson will refuse to *supply one from Britain. That means the Commission cannot legally constitute itself.


    And if the EU tries to reduce the number to 27 so they can begin work, Mr Johnson will use Britain’s veto to stop them.
    A No.10 source said: “We will play the EU at their own game and fight fire with fire.”
    And a senior Whitehall *official told the Sunday People: “We’re not going to take this *lying down as Theresa May ’s *administration did.”
    Mr Johnson goes to Brussels for the crunch European Council meeting on Thursday October 17.

    Mr Johnson is gambling the EU will insist we leave by October 31 anyway so its institutions can be up and running next day.
    Meanwhile the PM – who flew back to London with girlfriend Carrie Symonds yesterday after cutting short a visit to the Queen at Balmoral, Scotland – is looking at more desperate ways to force an election.
    The most outlandish is to trigger a vote of no confidence in himself so Britain can go to the polls on Friday, October 25, six days before Brexit Day.
    A Whitehall source said: “That *option is still on the table.”
    No10 are also considering a legal challenge to the no-deal Bill launched by Labour ’s Hilary Benn which passed all its Parliamentary stages on Friday. Mr Johnson could argue that under Commons rules it should never have been allowed in the first place.

    More at: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-plan-19856454
    Actually, the remaining commissioners can vote to not fill the vacancy and move on.

    https://epthinktank.eu/2019/07/04/no...elected-to-ep/

    Article 246 TFEU (second and third paragraphs)
    A vacancy caused by resignation, compulsory retirement or death [of a Member of the Commission] shall be filled for the remainder of the Member’s term of office by a new Member of the same nationality appointed by the Council, by common accord with the President of the Commission, after consulting the European Parliament and in accordance with the criteria set out in the second subparagraph of Article 17(3) of the Treaty on European Union.

    The Council may, acting unanimously on a proposal from the President of the Commission, decide that such a vacancy need not be filled, in particular when the remainder of the Member’s term of office is short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually, the remaining commissioners can vote to not fill the vacancy and move on.

    https://epthinktank.eu/2019/07/04/no...elected-to-ep/
    Read the entire post before commenting:

    And if the EU tries to reduce the number to 27 so they can begin work, Mr Johnson will use Britain’s veto to stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Read the entire post before commenting:

    And if the EU tries to reduce the number to 27 so they can begin work, Mr Johnson will use Britain’s veto to stop them.
    If the UK does not have a representative there, how can they veto anything? They can't. You need a voting representative there to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If the UK does not have a representative there, how can they veto anything? They can't. You need a voting representative there to do it.
    Johnson will be there, but he won't be a commissioner, he will veto any attempt to proceed without one from the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Johnson will be there, but he won't be a commissioner, he will veto any attempt to proceed without one from the UK.
    Johnson is not a member of the EU Parliament. He has no say on what they do. He can't veto anything. He can go and watch if he wants to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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  30. #26
    EU chief Guy Verhofstadt calls a Brexit delay 'unacceptable' and suggests an election SHOULD be called as France threatens to veto an extension beyond October 31 despite Remainer MPs' new law

    -Jean-Yves Le Drian said delay to Brexit 'isn't possible' under current conditions

    -Guy Verhofstadt agreed, said delay 'unacceptable' unless 'deadlock' resolved

    -Boris Johnson open up 14 points over Labour in new poll despite Brexit chaos

    -Prime Minister 'will refuse to ask EU for Brexit delay at meeting on October 17'

    -Will put Prime Minister at odds with an anti-No Deal law passed by Parliament

    -It would almost certainly trigger emergency legal challenge in Supreme Court

    -Came as Amber Rudd resigned from the government and Tory Party last night

    -She said the last straw was the PM's decision to sack 21 Tory rebels last week

    -She claimed '90% of government efforts are now focused on No Deal Brexit

    -Sajid Javid hit back and said the government is 'serious' about getting a deal

    -Dominic Raab said government will 'test to the limit' the anti-No Deal law

    A senior EU politician today joined calls to block a Brexit delay unless Britain holds a general election or a second referendum to break the 'deadlock'.

    Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's chief Brexit co-ordinator, said it would be 'unacceptable' for Brussels to push back the UK's departure date in the current circumstances.

    He said: 'Foreign Minister Le Drianais right: yet another extension for Brexit is unacceptable, unless the deadlock in London is broken.

    'Let it be a 2nd ref., new elections, a revocation of art. 50 or the approval of the deal, but not todayís helpless status quo.'

    The 66-year-old also added that the main priority that needs to be secured is the rights of citezens' on both sides of the Channel.

    'Whatever Brexit we get, 1 thing must be secured no matter what: the citizensí rights on both sides of the channel.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ctober-31.html

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Johnson is not a member of the EU Parliament. He has no say on what they do. He can't veto anything. He can go and watch if he wants to.
    He can veto things as the leader of one of the member states.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He can veto things as the leader of one of the member states.
    Link?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link?
    The Council of Ministers act on unanimity so Britain holds a veto. However a lot of issues are done using Qualified Majority Voting i.e a simple majority.

  34. #30


    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson has been handed a massive vote of confidence by the British public, who say he is the best man to deliver Brexit.

    And the poll shows the Conservative Party would secure a resounding victory with 31 per cent of the vote compared to Labour’s 25 per cent.

    The Liberal Democrats, who have been emboldened by a series of recent defections, come third on 16 per cent with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party next on 14 per cent.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-labour-tories

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