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    Exclamation [Minitrue] FEC chair summons Facebook, Twitter, Google to disinformation session

    FEC chair summons Facebook, Twitter, Google to disinformation session
    By NANCY SCOLA 08/29/2019

    The chair of the FEC is summoning Facebook, Google and Twitter to a meeting next month on digital disinformation amid concerns that new forms of Russian-style social media manipulation will target the 2020 election.

    "The goal of the symposium will be to identify effective policy approaches and practical tools that can minimize the disruption and confusion sown by fraudulent news and propaganda in the 2020 campaign," reads the invitation sent by the office of FEC Chairwoman Ellen Weintraub, a Democrat, and obtained by POLITICO.
    ...
    Facebook and Twitter plan to send representatives to the session, the companies confirmed to POLITICO. A Google spokesperson did not immediately comment.

    While Russian election interference has been a central focus since the 2016 election, the event will address growing concerns about home-grown disinformation, too, according an FEC official familiar with the event, who requested anonymity to discuss the session, which has not yet been made public.

    “Under the First Amendment, we don’t ban false statements in advertising and social media, but there’s a difference between the right to speak and the right to be disseminated” online, the official said.
    ...
    The social networks have been widely criticized for allowing the Kremlin-linked Internet Research Agency to abuse their platforms during the 2016 election. Many of the Russian ads and posts, which were viewed by millions of people, disparaged Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, boosted Donald Trump or stoked divisions in American society, such as those over the Black Lives Matter movement.
    ...
    The September disinformation event is, according to the FEC official, being co-hosted by Stanford University and the non-profit group PEN America, which focuses on free expression issues.
    ...
    More: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...mation-1692742
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What does "[Minitrue]" mean?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    but there’s a difference between the right to speak and the right to be disseminated” online
    There is no "Freedom of the Press"?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is no "Freedom of the Press"?
    Freedom of the press does not entitle you to publish what you want in someone else's newspaper.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken


    I don't hate you. You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Freedom of the press does not entitle you to publish what you want in someone else's newspaper.
    It prohibits the Government from interfering.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It prohibits the Government from interfering.
    Isn't that the opposite of what you've been advocating?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken


    I don't hate you. You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Isn't that the opposite of what you've been advocating?
    No.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What does "[Minitrue]" mean?
    Newspeak abbreviation for Ministry of Truth. We now have a virtual Ministry of Truth, not enclosed in a single huge building, but distributed among the Internet-Media-Government Complex.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is no "Freedom of the Press"?
    You are free to write down anything you want. You just don’t have the right to “disseminate” anything you want online, or publicly share it online.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Freedom of the press does not entitle you to publish what you want in someone else's newspaper.
    I must have missed the part where the article talks about newspapers, publishers, private property or private information sharing platforms. This is about the FEC, no doubt in partnership with other selected swamp MIC think-tanks like NewsGuard, deciding what content is “disinformation” and must be censored.

    Last I heard, the “internet” is not a newspaper, or owned by a specific entity.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What does "[Minitrue]" mean?
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Newspeak abbreviation for Ministry of Truth. We now have a virtual Ministry of Truth, not enclosed in a single huge building, but distributed among the Internet-Media-Government Complex.
    "The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink."
    -- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four (Part II, Chapter IX)

    Minipax = Ministry of Peace
    Minitrue = Ministry of Truth
    Miniluv = Ministry of Love
    Miniplenty = Ministry of Plenty

    Ministries of Nineteen Eighty-Four



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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-30-2019 at 07:21 PM. Reason: MOFA


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    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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    Will ElectionGuard and NewsGuard be invited?

    Related:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-ElectionGuard
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 08-30-2019 at 08:34 PM.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    The “Trust Project” will certainly be there, unless they want to remain in stealth mode...

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ilence-Dissent
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The “Trust Project” will certainly be there, unless they want to remain in stealth mode...

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ilence-Dissent
    Same for the "Integrity Initiative":

    Major Psy-Op In Europe Exposed: UK Government Tramples On Values It Vowed To Protect

    Covert British Military-Smear Machine Moving Into US

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    ...and, Trumpsplaining (Xd Chess) = doublethink

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"



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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    ...and, Trumpsplaining (Xd Chess) = doublethink
    Trump isn't behind this, she is his enemy, she recently attacked him about voter fraud.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump isn't behind this, she is his enemy, she recently attacked him about voter fraud.
    Perhaps she is... There's just so many parallels with today's government and "1984" - its just mind blowing. I see Trump and many of his supporters, who seem to me, should be suffering from serious cognitive dissonance. I've often thought of "doublethink" when I hear some of these crazy justifications/explanations about some master plan the president is rolling out... I guess it was out of context.

    Back on topic, I recently watched Chappelle's netflix special, and in one of the extras he talked about how he was out with Chris Tucker, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and Sergey Brin - rockin the town. Kamala had Chappelle call Obama's voicemail. While I dont consider Chappelle part of this ring, these people are definitely conspiring a campaign of election tampering that will put put any Russian conspiracy (if it were true) to shame.

    What's really interesting though, is how litigation is beginning to pierce these platforms, and recoil against the politicians that use them:

    Pool spoke to this on his youtube channel today - pretty interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy_HQdkNWbo

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"





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    From another thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Truth-anymore
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Social media has made it abundantly clear that simple differences of opinion aren't going to be tolerated for much longer... so anyone with a tinfoil-hat idea can get removed with impugnity. What little reach ever existed there is getting choked off. There is a tiny ray of hope that this might change, but it rests entirely on two entities: PragerU, and the US legal system, and I trust each of those entities exactly as far as I'm willing to push an ice pick into my own testicle.
    Here's the video fisharmor referenced:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USZaR3bDbnU


    As described in the video, PragerU is suing Google/YouTube (in both federal and California state courts) for violation of the First Amendment (among other things). The federal court dismissed the First Amendment claim because Google and YouTube are not government entities. PragerU appealed this decision, and oral arguments on the (9th circuit) appeal were supposed to occur "next week" (this video was published on August 21st).

    Per the discussion just after the 8:00 mark, there are apparently four conditions from established case law under which individuals or entities can be subject to First Amendment claims. These are:

    1. if the person or entity is actually part of the government (e.g., a government official or office/department/etc.)
    2. if the person or entity is a government "agent" or contractor
    3. if the person or entity is "entangled" with the government in some respect such that it cannot be treated separately from the government (e.g., an organization that receives substantial grants or subsidies from the government)
    4. if the person or entity has amassed sufficient control or influence over some domain so as to effectively be able to "act" as the/a government

    If this is correct, it would seem that points 3 and/or 4 could apply with respect to the shenanigans described in Brian's OP.
    (And I wonder if the PragerU lawyers are aware of or could use stuff like the OP to make the case for their appeal ...)

    I am reflexively and categorically opposed to forcing private property owners to provide a platform for anything that they for any reason do not want to publish. But as clearly illustrated by the OP article, the increasingly intertwined relationship between the government and certain private organizations (such as Google/YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) is making it more and more problematic, if not impossible, to distinguish between them ...

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
    -- George Orwell, Animal Farm

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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-31-2019 at 05:46 PM.

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    The internet is the digital public square as ruled by the Supreme's so their bans of Alex Jones and recently David Knight is illegal.

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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