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    Exclamation Question for Our Time: “Is Diversity Good?”

    A recent headline reads, “US is becoming more diverse — and quickly, in certain places.” Whether this is positive is a question most people don’t ponder honestly because, even if they do care, it’s not supposed to be asked. But American Thinker writer David L. Rosenthal is violating this mind muzzle, asking Tuesday, “Is diversity good?”
    Interestingly, “diversity” is partially derived from words meaning “contrariety, contradiction, disagreement” and even “wickedness” and “perversity,” according to the Online Etymology Dictionary. No, this tells us nothing definitive about the concept of “diversity” today — that is, not any more than does the mantra “Our strength lies in our diversity!”
    Examining the issue more intellectually, Rosenthal writes, “In some things, diversity is very good.… Diversity in the marketplace caters to the needs and preferences of consumers. Some want chocolate, others vanilla. Some want a coupe, others a sedan.”
    “Diversity in education offers a variety of study opportunities for people with different interests,” he continues. “Some major in mathematics, others in literature, others in engineering, others in law, others in woodworking, and others in origami.”
    “But what happens when there is diversity in worldview, sociopolitical ideology, and moral orientation?” Rosenthal then asks. ”Can we all just get along? Can we be a happy-go-lucky melting pot of people with disparate values, beliefs, norms, agendas, and objectives? Do we want to coexist with others who do not share our values?”
    To define this precisely, this is the difference between matters of taste and of Truth. To the best of my knowledge, no war was ever launched due to a preference for broccoli over asparagus, nor has any government enacted the Anti-chocolate Act, establishing vanilla as the National Flavor. Only a tyrant would even think about legislating taste.

    But issues of Truth are quite different. People wonder why anyone ever fought over religion (as they themselves fight over ideology). The worldview that prevails in society, however, is very significant. Under representative government, it will ultimately shape the laws and, just as significantly, the social laws: traditions, conventions, social codes, etc. Under a despotic government, the taking hold of the “wrong” worldview can increase the chances of the despots’ overthrow (thus does North Korea’s Kim Jong-un try to control the ideas entering his country). In contrast, the maintenance of a slave mentality perpetuates tyrants’ power.
    Clearly, not all worldviews are created equal, and this brings us to a common mistake. Conservatives will rightly bemoan how, for instance, academia touts superficial diversity — in race, sex, ethnicity, etc. — but remains monolithically left-wing. “We need diversity of thought!” conservatives will bellow.
    This point may be effective rhetorically, but reflects a misconception. We should seek neither blind ideological conformity nor ideological diversity, but something generally forgotten today:
    Truth.
    Merely seeking diversity in what is put in heads is like merely seeking diversity in what is put in mouths. The latter might mean some healthful fare, but also could include junk food and even poison; our menu should be governed by dietary truth (laws of human nutrition), not just a taste for “diversity.”
    Likewise, “diversity” as guide for intellectual fare would allow room for Nazism, Marxism, and genocidal ideas in schools. And should we still debate the merits of murder, rape, and slavery? Or should they be closed questions?
    As mirthful philosopher G.K. Chesterton put it, mocking the notion of perpetual “open-mindedness,” “Whatever we may think of the merits of torturing children for pleasure, and no doubt there is much to be said on both sides, I am sure we all agree that it should be done with sterilized instruments.”
    How does this relate to superficial, immigration-intensified national diversity? As in Academia, it certainly is stressed — we even have an immigration “diversity lottery.” But immigrants aren’t just physical bodies of certain colors and ethnicities and of either sex. Nor are they merely worker cogs with certain skill sets (conservatives, take note) that can play a role in an economic system. They’re also something else: idea carriers.
    So the most important question is seldom asked: What ideas do prospective immigrants bring with them? Will they build America up or tear her down not just economically, but socially? Are they the type of “moral and religious people” our second President, John Adams, said was the only kind of people our constitution was made for?
    Since immigrants will one day vote and shape our future laws — and social laws — (and thus our economic system) these are the only questions that really matter.
    But Diversity Dogma precludes their asking. Instead, “Our strength lies in our diversity!” is mindlessly parroted. It’s reminiscent of the film Idiocracy’s intellectually degraded, dystopian future America. While the crops weren’t growing because they were “watered” with a sports drink, all people would do is repeat the company slogan, “Brawndo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes!” (amusing video below).




    All this said, the dirty little secret is that liberals favor the current immigration-born increasing “diversity” only because it leads to increasing leftist ideological conformity, as most of today’s immigrants vote for socialistic Democrats upon naturalization (and sometimes before).
    So as with many other things, the establishment doesn’t want us questioning “diversity.” Hey, it’s got what leftists crave — it’s got electrolytes.

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/revie...diversity-good
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    Diversity of thought in our institutions of higher learning would be nice. The leftist definition of “diversity” is actually “conformity” of thought, plus token arrays of skin colors.

    ACTUAL diversity would be a blessing. What leftists call “diversity” has nothing to do with actual diversity. But we can’t really use those terms anymore because the left has hijacked them so completely that just to say the D-word and half the population thinks they have you pegged.

    Here is real diversity, put a pro-gun conservative professor on the Harvard Board.

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    You want your country to have a distinct culture, and generally share similar values with each other?

    $#@!ing racists, all of you.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Diversity of thought in our institutions of higher learning would be nice. The leftist definition of “diversity” is actually “conformity” of thought, plus token arrays of skin colors.

    ACTUAL diversity would be a blessing. What leftists call “diversity” has nothing to do with actual diversity. But we can’t really use those terms anymore because the left has hijacked them so completely that just to say the D-word and half the population thinks they have you pegged.

    Here is real diversity, put a pro-gun conservative professor on the Harvard Board.
    Yeah, right up there with ‘free’ stuff.

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    You might want to pay more attention to the impending economic collapse of the world and less to, you know, Messicuns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You might want to pay more attention to the impending economic collapse of the world and less to, you know, Messicuns.
    The second will make the first worse and insure that we can't build a liberty society on the ashes.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The second will make the first worse and insure that we can't build a liberty society on the ashes.
    The Messicuns are totally irrelevant, and you won't be building anything but Berlin 1919 without some serious changes in thinking.

    ...which won't be coming.

    So, long gold.


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    This thread needs a poll @TheTexan
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    Poll

    1--buy the DJIA at already astronomically high levels with a reality TV character in charge of negotiating with China
    2--sit in cash or near-cash equivalents (1 year UST etc)
    3--buy gold and/or silver
    4--hide under bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This thread needs a poll @TheTexan
    I strongly agree with this statement.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I strongly agree with this statement.
    But how do you vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You might want to pay more attention to the impending economic collapse of the world and less to, you know, Messicuns.
    I've been here for over ten years.

    Doomatarians have been preaching that line for over ten years now, including Ron.

    I know a couple of people that were active members here and quite well off, who got ruined financially by taking Doomatarian economic advice as gospel.

    Yeah, the invasion is more critical.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've been here for over ten years.

    Doomatarians have been preaching that line for over ten years now, including Ron.

    I know a couple of people that were active members here and quite well off, who got ruined financially by taking Doomatarian economic advice as gospel.

    Yeah, the invasion is more critical.
    Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    But how do you vote?
    I would vote very strongly against your poll. Your poll has a clear anarchist anti-American agenda.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've been here for over ten years.

    Doomatarians have been preaching that line for over ten years now, including Ron.

    I know a couple of people that were active members here and quite well off, who got ruined financially by taking Doomatarian economic advice as gospel.

    Yeah, the invasion is more critical.
    You know, I honestly hoped that the 2008 financial crisis was going to be the beginning of the end of the Federal Reserve, but I underestimated the central planners, and in fact, I'm starting to think they can keep the charade going on much, much longer. Throw in an endless supply of cheap labor and cheap Chinese garbage to keep Americans stretching their dwindling dollar value as far as it will take them, and we won't see an end to central banking in our lifetimes, I'm sure of it.

    The last time a central bank was killed in this country, it was Jackson's doing, and by most standards he was a tyrant. I'm done crossing my fingers and praying for it to just spontaneously combust. We're more likely to see Andrew Jackson jump out of his grave and do it in.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    You know, I honestly hoped that the 2008 financial crisis was going to be the beginning of the end of the Federal Reserve, but I underestimated the central planners, and in fact, I'm starting to think they can keep the charade going on much, much longer. Throw in an endless supply of cheap labor and cheap Chinese garbage to keep Americans stretching their dwindling dollar value as far as it will take them, and we won't see an end to central banking in our lifetimes, I'm sure of it.

    The last time a central bank was killed in this country, it was Jackson's doing, and by most standards he was a tyrant. I'm done crossing my fingers and praying for it to just spontaneously combust. We're more likely to see Andrew Jackson jump out of his grave and do it in.
    It will have to be killed, Trump may kill it or we may need someone else capable of killing it.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump may kill it
    Sounds possible
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Sounds possible
    He admires Jackson and he is casting the Fed as an enemy of the country.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He admires Jackson and he is casting the Fed as an enemy of the country.
    The Fed isn't the enemy though. The real enemy is that moron chairman Jay Powell who refuses to print enough money.


    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The Fed isn't the enemy though. The real enemy is that moron chairman Jay Powell who refuses to print enough money.


    He is making them the enemy for whatever they do, when they printed lots of money under O'Bummer he attacked them for that too.






    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Good luck with that.
    Thanks, we sure as hell need it.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    To answer the OP, no it is not.

    It is anti liberty, and not primarily because so much of the diversity is hostile to the concept of limited government.

    It is anti-liberty because when you forcibly throw together disparate ethnic, religious, political and cultural groups, many of whom loathe each other on sight, the only way you can keep a lid on the whole mess is with a heavy handed, abusive and invasive police state, or a hard assed dictator.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    I think diversity has led many people to stop using their vehicle blinkers, and just overall drive poorly.
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    When was diversity ever good ?
    Do something Danke



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    I'm a diversity extremist. I believe in individual rights, and the individual as a whole. Black, White, Mexican, Man, Woman, Qw33rdo, Straightedge, Pothead, or Egghead.

    Under the circumstances of liberty, diversity is honored... The segregation, consolidation, and conformity that we see today that is the antithesis of diversity. This behavior favors the system of human livestock management, and sacrifices individuals for the benefit of their keepers. I see this on both the right and the left, and in this very thread.

    What people are fearing when they are asked about diversity and inclusion, is what the government may impose through this sub-classification and division of its livestock.

    ...and if you disagree with me, your a racist, sexists, homophobe, bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I think diversity has led many people to stop using their vehicle blinkers, and just overall drive poorly.
    People not using their blinkers is a good thing. Its no ones business where you're going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    You know, I honestly hoped that the 2008 financial crisis was going to be the beginning of the end of the Federal Reserve, but I underestimated the central planners, and in fact, I'm starting to think they can keep the charade going on much, much longer. Throw in an endless supply of cheap labor and cheap Chinese garbage to keep Americans stretching their dwindling dollar value as far as it will take them, and we won't see an end to central banking in our lifetimes, I'm sure of it.

    The last time a central bank was killed in this country, it was Jackson's doing, and by most standards he was a tyrant. I'm done crossing my fingers and praying for it to just spontaneously combust. We're more likely to see Andrew Jackson jump out of his grave and do it in.
    Pretty much this. Ron Pauls been saying that our Federal Reserve system is coming to an end but I don't even think he personally believes that. I believe hes only saying it to keep morale up.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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