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    Trump Asserts He Can Force U.S. Companies to Leave China

    President Trump asserted on Saturday that he has the authority to make good on his threat to force all American businesses to leave China, citing a national security law that has been used mainly to target terrorists, drug traffickers and pariah states like Iran, Syria and North Korea.

    As he arrived in France for the annual meeting of the Group of 7 powers, Mr. Trump posted a message on Twitter citing the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, a law originally meant to enable a president to isolate criminal regimes not sever economic ties with a major trading partner over a tariff dispute.

    “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977,” Mr. Trump wrote. “Case closed!”
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    Conservatives really love when their masters in government preach the gospel of corporatism.

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    Oh no. Nothing authoritarian about this. Move along now. Nothing to see here.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/w...g7-summit.html

    “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977,” Mr. Trump wrote. “Case closed!”


    On it...

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history...owers-act-1977

    Congress passed the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (P.L. 95-223, 91 Stat. 1626) in 1977 as a refinement of the Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA), which at the time provided a source of presidential emergency authority, as well as wartime authority. Subject to requirements that the president consult with and report periodically to Congress, IEEPA authorizes the president "to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States, if the president declares a national emergency with respect to such threat." Under this authority the president may "investigate, regulate, or prohibit any transaction in foreign exchange," and "investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any ... exportation of ... any property in which any foreign country or a foreign national thereof has any interest." IEEPA gives the president broad authority over financial transactions and property in which any foreign country, any citizen or national of a foreign country, or any other person aiding the foreign country, has any interest, provided that the president first declares a national emergency under the act.


    Perhaps he's right. Folks may not like it but perhaps congress should reform this law.

    and of interesting note: The Democrats controlled Congress in 1977

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Oh no. Nothing authoritarian about this. Move along now. Nothing to see here.

    https://history.house.gov/Congressio...Profiles/95th/

    The Democrats retained control of Congress and won the presidency in the 1976 elections. Thomas P. “Tip” O’Neill of Massachusetts succeeded Speaker Carl Albert of Oklahoma following his retirement in 1977. But despite their one-party control of the federal government, Democrats failed to pass President Jimmy Carter’s comprehensive energy program. The 95th Congress (1977–1979) produced only stop-gap energy legislation. Congress reformed the process for low- and middle-income bank loans, deregulated the airline industry, and added more than 150 federal judgeships.
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 08-24-2019 at 11:11 AM.
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    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    You can't even handle freedom in the fake world.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Do you really have a case if you can not find a lawyer to represent you?

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    He would have to declare national emergency, then congress can override the declaration.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Sounds legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5Points View Post
    Conservatives really love when their masters in government preach the gospel of corporatism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Perhaps he's right. Folks may not like it but perhaps congress should reform this law.
    Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

    There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

    There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

    This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

    There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

    There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

    This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?
    Right on, Brother. If they don’t have the power they just interpret it or write more words on paper. Government is the best racket the Earth has known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

    There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

    There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

    This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?

    "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." - Thomas Jefferson (emphasis added)
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    What do you mean by posting that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." - Thomas Jefferson (emphasis added)
    Read it again. And again. And again. And again.

    READ IT until you $#@!ing get it.

    (some of you may be here for a while)

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Read it again. And again. And again. And again.

    READ IT until you $#@!ing get it.

    (some of you may be here for a while)

    Maybe if they read it REEEEEAAAAALLL slow?
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

    There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

    There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

    This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?
    Might be easier to just list what they can't do instead. I'm curious, what can't they do? Not asking what they're NOT suppose to do v/s what they actually do.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    You can't even handle freedom in the fake world.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Do you really have a case if you can not find a lawyer to represent you?

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    If Trump wants to destroy the US economy for several years, ordering all US business to immediately cease all trade with China at once would be a great way to do it. "We don't need China.". The Fed won't be able to bail him out of that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    How long would it take for those companies to re locate to Taiwan , India, this is not 3D Chess here...

    And what then , declare the world an economic emergency/threat to the US ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    How long would it take for those companies to re locate to Taiwan , India, this is not 3D Chess here...

    And what then , declare the world an economic emergency/threat to the US ........
    It takes time to find a location, build a factory, line up supplies and distribution and hire workers. Some businesses can move more easily than others.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5Points View Post
    What do you mean by posting that?
    He means: Stop thinking about the post topic! Look over there! No authoritarian around here, nosiree!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It takes time to find a location, build a factory, line up supplies and distribution and hire workers. Some businesses can move more easily than others.

    Yer' a genis' zippy, I did not no' that.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/w...g7-summit.html

    “For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977,” Mr. Trump wrote. “Case closed!”


    On it...

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history...owers-act-1977

    Congress passed the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (P.L. 95-223, 91 Stat. 1626) in 1977 as a refinement of the Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA), which at the time provided a source of presidential emergency authority, as well as wartime authority. Subject to requirements that the president consult with and report periodically to Congress, IEEPA authorizes the president "to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States, if the president declares a national emergency with respect to such threat." Under this authority the president may "investigate, regulate, or prohibit any transaction in foreign exchange," and "investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any ... exportation of ... any property in which any foreign country or a foreign national thereof has any interest." IEEPA gives the president broad authority over financial transactions and property in which any foreign country, any citizen or national of a foreign country, or any other person aiding the foreign country, has any interest, provided that the president first declares a national emergency under the act.


    Perhaps he's right. Folks may not like it but perhaps congress should reform this law.

    and of interesting note: The Democrats controlled Congress in 1977




    https://history.house.gov/Congressio...Profiles/95th/

    The Democrats retained control of Congress and won the presidency in the 1976 elections. Thomas P. “Tip” O’Neill of Massachusetts succeeded Speaker Carl Albert of Oklahoma following his retirement in 1977. But despite their one-party control of the federal government, Democrats failed to pass President Jimmy Carter’s comprehensive energy program. The 95th Congress (1977–1979) produced only stop-gap energy legislation. Congress reformed the process for low- and middle-income bank loans, deregulated the airline industry, and added more than 150 federal judgeships.
    China is trying to destroy us.
    Congress SHOULD revoke this authority but until they do Trump is right to use it, the left uses all of the delegated authority against us and we can't afford to tie one hand behind our backs when we are in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    How long would it take for those companies to re locate to Taiwan , India, this is not 3D Chess here...

    And what then , declare the world an economic emergency/threat to the US ........
    Those countries are not waging economic warfare against us to the same degree as China and they are not doing everything else China does to destroy us.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Congress SHOULD revoke this authority but until they do Trump is right to use it, the left uses all of the delegated authority against us and we can't afford to tie one hand behind our backs when we are in power.
    As incoherent as ever.
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    H. L. Mencken


    I don't hate you. You're just some person on the internet who believes in things that aren't real.

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    If you want to see this power revoked by Congress then the best way to get that is for Trump to use it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    As incoherent as ever.
    Yes, you are.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    China is trying to destroy us.
    Congress SHOULD revoke this authority but until they do Trump is right to use it, the left uses all of the delegated authority against us and we can't afford to tie one hand behind our backs when we are in power.
    “The left has long exercised unconstitutional powers. The only way to make this right is for the right to exercise unconstitutional powers until someone forces them to stop. Otherwise the left will take power again.” is about what I took from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

    There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

    There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

    This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?
    +rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    “The left has long exercised unconstitutional powers. The only way to make this right is for the right to exercise unconstitutional powers until someone forces them to stop. Otherwise the left will take power again.” is about what I took from that.
    The left broke the Constitution, until we can put it back together again we have to fight with the same weapons they use.

    It doesn't matter if you were invited to a boxing match according to the Marquess of Queensberry rules, if the other guy pulls out a knife you had better get one, or maybe you should even get a gun.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The left broke the Constitution, until we can put it back together again we have to fight with the same weapons they use.
    I don’t believe it’s possible to fight corruption with more corruption, and end up with anything but corruption.

    It doesn't matter if you were invited to a boxing match according to the Marquess of Queensberry rules, if the other guy pulls out a knife you had better get one, or maybe you should even get a gun.
    Maybe you are confusing “governing a republic” with Fight Club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    I don’t believe it’s possible to fight corruption with more corruption, and end up with anything but corruption.
    Using delegated powers is not corruption.



    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Maybe you are confusing “governing a republic” with Fight Club?
    We have long past the point where politics is civil war by other means, liberty and the republic face existential threats from within and without.
    A shooting revolution would have been justified generations ago, using a few delegated powers is a much more mild option.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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