Trump Asserts He Can Force U.S. Companies to Leave China

[GunnyFreedom]

Using delegated powers is not corruption.

according to the “Doctrine of Non-Delegation” it is. Look it up, I’m not making it up.

We have long past the point where politics is civil war by other means, liberty and the republic face existential threats from within and without.

Every unconstitutional power that has ever been usurped, has been “justified” by existential threats. The existential threat is losing the republic to statolaters.

A shooting revolution would have been justified generations ago, using a few delegated powers is a much more mild option.

You cannot fight corruption with corruption and end up with anything but corruption.

[Stratovarious]

Those countries are not waging economic warfare against us to the same degree as China and they are not doing everything else China does to destroy us.

The article didn't make the case for Trump to declare them and economic combatant, it just bashed
his statement, (nothing new out of MSM) I haven't heard Trump articulate the case for declaring them such,
yea they dump and tariff, so we're tariffing back, I don't see what has changed to suddenly to warrant him to declare
Us Companies forbidden to have factories etc in China.
I was partly basing my statement assuming this was a move to bring businesses back to the US, that's the
most common issue I'm aware of coming out of Trump.
I haven't really heard Trump lay a clear , case to justify such a drastic maneuver, the tariffs made sense,
I supported that, but I don't see anything coming out of China that is a 'surprise' .
We are not at war with China, declaring what countries US businesses can and can't operate, does not
sound like the US that I know, next it could be Brazil, Venezuela , all of South America, them middle east,
Europe.....

Being that as you well know, I'm off the Trump train for his constant boot licking and unforeseen love and
devotion of War Criminal Israel, failure to keep so many important promises, attacks on the 2nd amendment,
avoiding the prosecution/investigation of Hillary, the continuation of dhs, tsa , nsa, fema, patriot act,
nsa ndaa, etc........ I have little trust left for anything Trump does. When I see Trump doing anything
that clearly makes sense, I applaud that action, you know I'm not party bound, I'm concerned about
issues , Trump has not performed as expected.

[Swordsmyth]

according to the “Doctrine of Non-Delegation” it is. Look it up, I’m not making it up.

It WAS, that bridge was burnt long ago, now it is just the status quo.

Every unconstitutional power that has ever been usurped, has been “justified” by existential threats. The existential threat is losing the republic to statolaters.

I would agree if we were talking about breaking any intact parts of the Constitution.
But we aren't, there is no new usurpation.

You cannot fight corruption with corruption and end up with anything but corruption.

By your definition rebellion would be corruption, it breaks all the rules of our republic.
Would you call it corruption if the President staged a military coup, arrested all of the politicians and judges that violate the Constitution, and declared all unconstitutional laws null and void and that we were returning to Constitutional government? using a few delegated powers that were done long ago is much less extreme but can be used to head us in the right direction without starting a civil or even international war.

[Swordsmyth]

The article didn't make the case for Trump to declare them and economic combatant, it just bashed
his statement, (nothing new out of MSM) I haven't heard Trump articulate the case for declaring them such,
yea they dump and tariff, so we're tariffing back, I don't see what has changed to suddenly to warrant him to declare
Us Companies forbidden to have factories etc in China.
I was partly basing my statement assuming this was a move to bring businesses back to the US, that's the
most common issue I'm aware of coming out of Trump.
I haven't really heard Trump lay a clear , case to justify such a drastic maneuver, the tariffs made sense,
I supported that, but I don't see anything coming out of China that is a 'surprise' .
We are not at war with China, declaring what countries US businesses can and can't operate, does not
sound like the US that I know, next it could be Brazil, Venezuela , all of South America, them middle east,
Europe.....

Being that as you well know, I'm off the Trump train for his constant boot licking and unforeseen love and
devotion of War Criminal Israel, failure to keep so many important promises, attacks on the 2nd amendment,
avoiding the prosecution/investigation of Hillary, the continuation of dhs, tsa , nsa, fema, patriot act,
nsa ndaa, etc........ I have little trust left for anything Trump does. When I see Trump doing anything
that clearly makes sense, I applaud that action, you know I'm not party bound, I'm concerned about
issues , Trump has not performed as expected.

China has been escalating the trade war and increasing its attacks on us in other ways, I don't think Trump needs to do this just yet because the tariffs are working and he can keep increasing them, I think he is sending China and globalist corporations a message that he can play a lot rougher than he has so far.
But I see China as the number one enemy and threat to the US in the world who has been waging an unrelenting cold war against us since Nixon went there, I could easily see Trump declaring them a national emergency with complete justification and I don't see any other country in the same position.

Trump has not lived up to my best hopes but he has done far better than my worst fears, I still see him as the best available option unless he does something really stupid like signing serious gun control legislation.

[Stratovarious]

“The left has long exercised unconstitutional powers. The only way to make this right is for the right to exercise unconstitutional powers until someone forces them to stop. Otherwise the left will take power again.” is about what I took from that.

The left broke the Constitution, until we can put it back together again we have to fight with the same weapons they use.
...

This does not sound like a sound argument guys, I'd love to hear Ron's take today on this
issue.

Righting the abuse of power and indiscretions against our constitution by repeating those same
acts appears irrationally illogical, our constitution is in dire need of restoration to be sure, however,
continuing down the path of abuse will guarantee perpetual tit for tat attacks, guess where this
goes when the Globalist Socialists are back in power.

[Stratovarious]

China has been escalating the trade war and increasing its attacks on us in other ways, I don't think Trump needs to do this just yet because the tariffs are working and he can keep increasing them, I think he is sending China and globalist corporations a message that he can play a lot rougher than he has so far.
But I see China as the number one enemy and threat to the US in the world who has been waging an unrelenting cold war against us since Nixon went there, I could easily see Trump declaring them a national emergency with complete justification and I don't see any other country in the same position.

Trump has not lived up to my best hopes but he has done far better than my worst fears, I still see him as the best available option unless he does something really stupid like signing serious gun control legislation.

If this is a message to China, good, but if he his dead serious, I think deeper consideration is in order.

[GunnyFreedom]

It WAS, that bridge was burnt long ago, now it is just the status quo.

So corruption is normal now, therefore it should continue? Efforts to stop it are naive? Just accept that government is corrupt and stop trying to fix it?

I would agree if we were talking about breaking any intact parts of the Constitution.
But we aren't, there is no new usurpation.

So as long as we are only breaking the parts that others have broken before us it okay?

By your definition rebellion would be corruption, it breaks all the rules of our republic.

I am speaking to the corruption of the Constitutional republic. Normalization of disregard for or disobedience to the Constitution falls under the textbook definition of “corruption” in that context.

Trying to extrapolate something have said ad ridiculum, is both a fallacy and a tactic.

Would you call it corruption if the President staged a military coup, arrested all of the politicians and judges that violate the Constitution, and declared all unconstitutional laws null and void and that we were returning to Constitutional government?

Any violation of the Constitution, in a Constitutional republic, is corruption. Any attempt to use corruption to end corruption will only multiply corruption.

using a few delegated powers that were done long ago is much less extreme but can be used to head us in the right direction without starting a civil or even international war.

Basically, people have to agree with you that we should violate the Constitution, or we obviously want civil and foreign war. Because unless we violate the Constitution there can only be war?

[Swordsmyth]

So corruption is normal now, therefore it should continue? Efforts to stop it are naive? Just accept that government is corrupt and stop trying to fix it?

You sure read a lot there that I didn't say.
I specifically said Congress should retract the powers and amend the Constitution so that leftist Presidents couldn't use them either.
But until they do Trump should use them to protect and restore America.

So as long as we are only breaking the parts that others have broken before us it okay?

As long as we are using them to restore liberty.
If we can put an end to the breakage entirely that is good too.

I am speaking to the corruption of the Constitutional republic. Normalization of disregard for or disobedience to the Constitution falls under the textbook definition of “corruption” in that context.

It's already been normalized, that's my point, using it to protect and restore America until we can get it officially fixed so nobody can do it isn't corruption.

Trying to extrapolate something have said ad ridiculum, is both a fallacy and a tactic.

I'm not doing that, using the delegated powers is like a micro rebellion.

Any violation of the Constitution, in a Constitutional republic, is corruption. Any attempt to use corruption to end corruption will only multiply corruption.

So a military rebellion to restore the Constitution is corruption?
Why then is the military sworn to protect and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic?
If the states rebelled to restore the Constitution would that be corruption?
If the people rebel to restore the Constitution is that corruption?

Basically, people have to agree with you that we should violate the Constitution, or we obviously want civil and foreign war. Because unless we violate the Constitution there can only be war?

Another pathetic twisting of my words.
I said that if Trump launched a coup to restore the Constitution it would almost surely result in a civil or international war and that him doing what else he could to protect and restore America was a better option.


Just as in the other thread you seem to be precluding all options, you say government won't reform itself so Congress retracting the delegated powers and amending the Constitution isn't an option so what is your solution?

[Swordsmyth]

This does not sound like a sound argument guys, I'd love to hear Ron's take today on this
issue.

Righting the abuse of power and indiscretions against our constitution by repeating those same
acts appears irrationally illogical, our constitution is in dire need of restoration to be sure, however,
continuing down the path of abuse will guarantee perpetual tit for tat attacks, guess where this
goes when the Globalist Socialists are back in power.

I support Congress retracting the delegated powers and amending the Constitution to prohibit delegation specifically.

Until they do we must use whatever we can to protect and restore America in other ways.

[Stratovarious]

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You cannot fight corruption with corruption and end up with anything but corruption.

It WAS, that bridge was burnt long ago, now it is just the status quo.



I would agree if we were talking about breaking any intact parts of the Constitution.
But we aren't, there is no new usurpation.



By your definition rebellion would be corruption, it breaks all the rules of our republic.
Would you call it corruption if the President staged a military coup, arrested all of the politicians and judges that violate the Constitution, and declared all unconstitutional laws null and void and that we were returning to Constitutional government? ...

Fact.

This may be what it would take to restore the Republic.

[GunnyFreedom]

You sure read a lot there that I didn't say.
I specifically said Congress should retract the powers and amend the Constitution so that leftist Presidents couldn't use them either.
But until they do Trump should use them to protect and restore America.




As long as we are using them to restore liberty.
If we can put an end to the breakage entirely that is good too.



It's already been normalized, that's my point, using it to protect and restore America until we can get it officially fixed so nobody can do it isn't corruption.


I'm not doing that, using the delegated powers is like a micro rebellion.




So a military rebellion to restore the Constitution is corruption?
Why then is the military sworn to protect and defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic?
If the states rebelled to restore the Constitution would that be corruption?
If the people rebel to restore the Constitution is that corruption?



Another pathetic twisting of my words.
I said that if Trump launched a coup to restore the Constitution it would almost surely result in a civil or international war and that him doing what else he could to protect and restore America was a better option.

lol okay good luck with your micro rebellion. Maybe if you destroy enough libertarians it will finally restore liberty.

Just as in the other thread you seem to be precluding all options, you say government won't reform itself so Congress retracting the delegated powers and amending the Constitution isn't an option so what is your solution?

I have already covered actual solutions, multiple times. Do you have a specific number of times I have to write something before you acknowledge that it has been written? Because if needs be I can get all those repetitions out in a single post and be done with it, and that way you wouldn’t look so silly asking for stuff I’ve already told you. Multiple times.

Maybe you remember my detailing specific model legislation in five parts, or maybe you saw the other one about dumping lots of money on Massie and Rand?

Or maybe whenever someone you disagree with offers real solutions you just pretend they never said anything and keep demanding more solutions until they finally tell you to piss off so you can pretend like they have no solutions?

so give me a number. Ten? Fifteen? How many times do I have to repeat myself before you stop pretending I haven’t said it?

give me a number, and I will say it that many times, and then you can stop this stupid “you have no solutions” propaganda forever, deal?

[Swordsmyth]

lol okay good luck with your micro rebellion. Maybe if you destroy enough libertarians it will finally restore liberty.


I have already covered actual solutions, multiple times. Do you have a specific number of times I have to write something before you acknowledge that it has been written? Because if needs be I can get all those repetitions out in a single post and be done with it, and that way you wouldn’t look so silly asking for stuff I’ve already told you. Multiple times.

Maybe you remember my detailing specific model legislation in five parts, or maybe you saw the other one about dumping lots of money on Massie and Rand?

Or maybe whenever someone you disagree with offers real solutions you just pretend they never said anything and keep demanding more solutions until they finally tell you to piss off so you can pretend like they have no solutions?

so give me a number. Ten? Fifteen? How many times do I have to repeat myself before you stop pretending I haven’t said it?

give me a number, and I will say it that many times, and then you can stop this stupid “you have no solutions” propaganda forever, deal?

YOU said Congress wasn't going to fix this problem because government never fixes itself, that precludes any solution by legislation or by dumping money on Massie and Rand.

I am not destroying any libertarians, I can't even destroy fake libertarians who are wolves in sheep's clothing by typing on the internet and they are the only ones I might try to destroy if I could.

Your severe confusion begins to look more and more like subterfuge and malicious intent but for now I will still assume it is confusion.

[GunnyFreedom]

YOU said Congress wasn't going to fix this problem because government never fixes itself, that precludes any solution by legislation or by dumping money on Massie and Rand.

so out of one side of your mouth you claim I’ve never offered a solution, meanwhile out of the other side of your mouth you mischaracterize and criticize the solutions that you allege I never offered? That’s a hell of a trick. If I’ve never offered any solutions, then how can my un-offered solutions be so wrong?

I am not destroying any libertarians, I can't even destroy fake libertarians who are wolves in sheep's clothing by typing on the internet and they are the only ones I might try to destroy if I could.

you are the one one talking about waging this war of ideas against your enemies. Maybe you should stop trying to wage wars against people on liberty groups?

Your severe confusion begins to look more and more like subterfuge and malicious intent but for now I will still assume it is confusion.

Perhaps your confusion would be alleviated by actually reading what I actually write, instead of picking through for key words to use as ammunition in your war against liberty?

[nikcers]

This does not sound like a sound argument guys, I'd love to hear Ron's take today on this
issue.

Righting the abuse of power and indiscretions against our constitution by repeating those same
acts appears irrationally illogical, our constitution is in dire need of restoration to be sure, however,
continuing down the path of abuse will guarantee perpetual tit for tat attacks, guess where this
goes when the Globalist Socialists are back in power.

The globalist socialists are going start more shooting wars to try to finance their government boondoggles. Its predictable at this point what they will do if they get power.

[Stratovarious]

The globalist socialists are going start more shooting wars to try to finance their government boondoggles. Its predictable at this point what they will do if they get power.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to nikcers again.

[A Son of Liberty]

Your severe confusion begins to look more and more like subterfuge and malicious intent but for now I will still assume it is confusion.

Gunny's done FAR more for this movement than you ever will, keyboard commando. Back up...

[A Son of Liberty]

Swordshyll is exactly who Trump was talking about when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose support.

[Slave Mentality]

Interesting.

I have been watching and the MO stands. “Just keep regurgitating the same old wore out trash until the other poster gives up”

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjA2zgwKww

[CCTelander]

From the Emperor's own mouth he has the "absolute right" to do this.

The Emperor has spoken! Hail Caesar!

[nikcers]

From the Emperor's own mouth he has the "absolute right" to do this.

The Emperor has spoken! Hail Caesar!

[nikcers]

The good news is, if we win on November 8th, these jobs are coming back.

Here are 7 steps to bring back our jobs, and creating millions of new jobs:

One: I am going to withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which has not yet been ratified.

Two: I am going to appoint the toughest and smartest trade negotiators to fight on behalf of American workers.

Three: I am going to direct the Secretary of Commerce to identify every violation of trade agreements that a foreign country is currently using to harm our workers. I will then direct all appropriate agencies to use every tool under American and international law to end these abuses.

Four: I am going tell our NAFTA partners that I intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that agreement to get a better deal for our workers. If we don’t get the deal we want, we will walk away.

Five: I am going to instruct my Treasury Secretary to label China a currency manipulator. Any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the United States will face tariffs to stop the cheating.

Six: I am going to instruct the U.S. Trade Representative to bring trade cases against China, both in this country and at the WTO. China's unfair subsidy behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance to the WTO, and I intend to enforce those rules.

Seven: If China does not stop its illegal activities, including its theft of American trade secrets, I will use every lawful presidential power to remedy trade disputes, including the application of tariffs consistent with federal law.

If we take these steps, jobs and factories will come roaring back into our country.

We can use the new money to rebuild our roads, bridges and airports.

Manufacturing is also a matter of national security. We need to build, produce and create right here in America.

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17_EPF8dwo

[CCTelander]

Orange man G od.

[timosman]

USA was in managed decline.

[GunnyFreedom]

Of course he's "right"... that's the point!

There isn't anything the Federal Government can't do... just ASK them.

There's a comprehensive volume of sht-the-feds-cant-do that they actually DO every single day. It's called the Code of Federal Regulation.

This inclination to check the rulebook every time Uncle Sugar does something... it's asinine... They wrote - and regularly re-write - the $#@!ing rulebook. Does anyone think they aren't going to "find" the authority they need to do some thing?

Obviously they “found” the authority somewhere, so clearly we should be okay with them doing it. And stop complaining about them doing it, Because authority, you know.

[Ender]

so out of one side of your mouth you claim I’ve never offered a solution, meanwhile out of the other side of your mouth you mischaracterize and criticize the solutions that you allege I never offered? That’s a hell of a trick. If I’ve never offered any solutions, then how can my un-offered solutions be so wrong?



you are the one one talking about waging this war of ideas against your enemies. Maybe you should stop trying to wage wars against people on liberty groups?



Perhaps your confusion would be alleviated by actually reading what I actually write, instead of picking through for key words to use as ammunition in your war against liberty?

Welcome to SwordShillVille.

[oyarde]

I am not a globalist like many on RPF 's. I do believe in free markets . I however have been doing my part about trying to force US companies to not produce for here in china by not buying that junk china , north korea $#@! for decades . Trump is right about this , I don't need china .

[GunnyFreedom]

I am not a globalist like many on RPF 's. I do believe in free markets . I however have been doing my part about trying to force US companies to not produce for here in china by not buying that junk china , north korea $#@! for decades . Trump is right about this , I don't need china .

Trump is probably right that steak is good for us too, but the minute he starts executive ordering everyone to eat steak I’m gonna have a problem with that.

[oyarde]

Trump is probably right that steak is good for us too, but the minute he starts executive ordering everyone to eat steak I’m gonna have a problem with that.

Ya , but really I never pay attention to anything he says . Pretty much had him pegged as all bluster from the get go and I do not think I am wrong yet. I almost prefer a president that does not do anything . When they start doing anything it is normally bad.