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    Exclamation Sanders Calls for Nationalization of Energy Production

    Now you know why the feds were nagging you to set your AC to 82°

    I'm predicting Sanders/Warren in 2020, so this should get real interesting.

    Buy candles, Chairman Mao bicycles and oil lamps, proles.



    Sanders Calls for Nationalization of Energy Production — ‘Can’t Nibble Around the Edges’

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...und-the-edges/

    JEFF POOR 23 Aug 20192

    On Thursday’s “All In” on MSNBC, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) outright admitted to host Chris Hayes a federal government takeover of energy production would be required by his plan to combat climate change.

    Hayes raised the possibility of an extension of some form of the Tennessee Valley Authority. Sanders responded by saying it would require government-manufactured electricity “from solar and from wind and from other sustainable energies.”

    Partial transcript as follows:

    HAYES: Joining me now Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders, Independent from Vermont.

    Senator, it’s a long plan. It’s like — you know, it’s pages and pages, and I read it today, and the biggest thing I was taken by is the sheer ambition. It is enormous in scope for what it imagines.

    SANDERS: Well, Chris, this is the way I look at it. You can approach climate change the way Donald Trump does, call it a hoax, deny the reality, and that is obviously an incredible danger for the planet. Or you could say well you know, climate change is real but we can’t do all that much, we can’t really disrupt the economy, we can’t do that, we can’t do that, we got to look at it from a political point of view.

    Or the third approach which I have tried to take you, is to say look, the scientific community tells us we have a handful of years in which we must act boldly and transformatively to move away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy or else the planet we will be leaving for our children and future generations will be a planet that is increasingly unhealthy and uninhabitable.

    Man, I just came from Paradise, California, and you remember the tragedy there, unbelievable, unbelievable. It looked like a bomb we’ve dropped in that community. So if we believe, Chris, that climate change is real. If we believe what the scientists are telling us, we have got to be bold. We have got to be comprehensive. We have got to be aggressive. That is what that plan is about.

    HAYES: There’s — I want to talk about one part of the plan that I find fascinating which is about how power is generated and distributed. You talk about there’s public — there’s some federal public administration of power in this country based on the Tennessee Valley Authority and others, and basically, you propose essentially a federal takeover of the whole thing that essentially a Tennessee Valley Authority extension for the whole country, right? Am I — am I understanding that correctly?

    SANDERS: Yes, that’s — you’re in the ballpark. That’s right. Look, the TVA has done a lot of good work. It produces electricity from hydropower and other sources. What we need to do is have an aggressive federal government saying that we are going to produce a massive amount of electricity from solar and from wind and from other sustainable energies and we will sell it out. And by the way, we’re going to make money doing that.

    But you can’t nibble around the edges anymore. We need to transform our energy system. That means a massive increase in sustainable energy.

    HAYES: So I think people that watch the program know that I am not exactly a deficit hawk. I’m not — you know, I think that America is a very wealthy country. It can afford a lot of big investments, but this is really large.

    I mean, the amount of money we’re talking about you’re talking about in the plan replacing every old diesel school bus which is a really good idea from a climate perspective replacing old mobile homes in the country, right. It’s big and comprehensive. When people say to you how do you pay for it, is this a thing that America can afford, you say what?

    SANDERS: Well, the first thing is we cannot not afford it. I mean, we are playing for the future of the planet so we have got to do it. And second of all, we pay for this in a number of ways. And one of the ways we pay for it is as you have just described, a massive federal project that produces sustainable energy, it’s going to make money as well.

    Furthermore, we do away with the tax breaks and the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry now receives, which in fact is massive. Thirdly, we create 20 million new jobs as we transform our energy system and improve our infrastructure, and those are going to be good-paying union jobs, and those folks are going to be paying taxes fourthly for a variety of reasons. We’ve got to cut military spending.

    Fifthly, we do away with Trump’s huge tax breaks for the rich. And six, we have a progressive tax system which demands large corporations and the rich start their fair share of taxes.

    HAYES: So on the on the job creation, that $20 million — the 20 million job number jumped out at me and at first I thought, well this is implausible just even within the plan. But the plan, when you’re talking about like replacing every diesel school bus in America which is what the plan calls for, that’s a lot of jobs. What is your — to me there’s a — there’s a mismatch between the promises and the reality that makes these things hard, right?

    There are coal workers right now out of work in Wyoming. There are co- workers who are stationed I think in Harlan County, Kentucky not getting their pensions, not letting those that coal move because they’ve been screwed time and time again. What do you say to them when they say, why should I believe that the promise you’re making can be a reality?

    SANDERS: Well, one of the things that we do — and we put many, many tens of billions of dollars into a just transition program which says to those coal miners and the men and women to work on the oil rigs, you are not our enemy. You’re working to feed your family. I am perhaps the strongest pro-union, pro-work member of the Congress. Those people are not my enemy. What is my enemy is climate change?

    And we have a very, very strong approach to make sure that those workers get trained for new jobs, they get the health care that they need, they get the educational opportunities that they need. But the bottom line of all of this, Chris, is either we believe in what the scientists are telling us, or we do not.

    And if we believe what they are telling us, is that we got fewer than 12 years in order to transform our energy system or else there will be irreparable damage done to our country and the planet. Well, if that is the reality, I happen to believe the scientists, then we have to act comprehensively.

    The last point that I want to make on this, Chris. This is not just an American issue. And what is so very dangerous about Trump is that we need a president who is leading the world. That’s hard. That is really hard. If you think what I’m talking about for our country is difficult, try getting Russia, and China and India, all these other countries about and what I have been saying, and I know that this is not going to happen, some are, but maybe just maybe in the midst of this crisis, maybe the countries of the world wake up and understand that instead of spending $1.5 trillion every year on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other, maybe we pool our resource together, and we combat our common enemy which is climate change.

    HAYES: You know, you raise the international stakes and, of course, the U.S. is somewhere around 30 percent of world emissions. Even if we do everything right and China and India emit and as Africa develops, right, and it begins emitting more, we’re all in a lot of trouble.

    I want to ask this question because you give a speech once about the rise of the sort of the far populous right across the world. And I think Bolsonaro in Brazil is an example of that. Do you see a connection essentially between that movement and the climate battle like we are seeing play out in Brazil?

    SANDERS: I do. I mean, I think you have right-wing extremists like Bolsonaro, and like Trump who are appealing to working-class people and say see all these wealthy environmentalists, they don’t care about you. They’re talking about some nonsense which isn’t applicable to your lives.

    And that is why we need a kind of movement that brings working-class people into it and says we are on your side. And your kids and your grandchildren are going to need a planet which is habitable and healthy, but you are not going to be punished for what the fossil fuel industry is doing. We’re going to protect your jobs.

    HAYES: All right, Senator Bernie Sanders, it’s a really interesting plan. It is really ambitious in scope. And folks, definitely check it out. It’s on the Web site. Thank you very much.

    SANDERS: Thank you, Chris.



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    Nationalizing energy worked for Venezuela. It will work here.

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    Yes because that worked out so well for other countries that did the same thing.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I am not saying that Sanders wants to turn America into Venezuela, he is.
    I was thinking the same thing, well we already know Bernie is a declared socialist, now he's just
    admitted that was mild, he's really a communist.

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    Bernie is nervously buying up toilet paper companies , just in case Congress buys
    his Nationalization plan.

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    At $2.35 per gallon for gasoline, energy has to be first and foremost on every American's mind. We need energy control along with National Health Scare. National Rent, National Food. We Need it. Do you know why? Jimmy McMillian can answer that question.
    Truth is Fallacy, Fallacy is Evil.



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    Good God . These motherfuckers never stop with the retard $#@! . This guy and biden are leading the polls.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now you know why the feds were nagging you to set your AC to 82°

    I'm predicting Sanders/Warren in 2020, so this should get real interesting.

    Buy candles, Chairman Mao bicycles and oil lamps, proles.
    .
    Lets not forget it is Trump's fed that is suggesting these lifestyle changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Lets not forget it is Trump's fed that is suggesting these lifestyle changes.
    Residuals from the previous, It takes a full 8 years to finally weed those out because they can't be fired.

    Hope you are well friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Lets not forget it is Trump's fed that is suggesting these lifestyle changes.
    Full of Demoncrat deepstate feds Trump can't fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Nationalizing energy worked for Venezuela. It will work here.
    It also worked well for Russia, Norway, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc. But lets pretend those examples don't exist and keep harping about Venezuela
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Residuals from the previous, It takes a full 8 years to finally weed those out because they can't be fired.

    Hope you are well friend.
    Rubbish, rubbish and more heap full of rubbish.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It also worked well for Russia, Norway, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc. But lets pretend those examples don't exist and keep harping about Venezuela
    It didn't work out well for them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Full of Demoncrat deepstate feds Trump can't fire.
    He can't fire them or he doesn't want to fire them? I bet if they were anti Israel or anti war, they would have been gone the second he took office.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It didn't work out well for them.
    Who didn't it work out well for?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Glad he gave us a real example of Nationalism
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He can't fire them or he doesn't want to fire them? I bet if they were anti Israel or anti war, they would have been gone the second he took office.
    The civil service laws prevent him from cleaning house.

    Those laws need to be changed.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Who didn't it work out well for?
    The people of Russia, Norway, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The people of Russia, Norway, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc.
    I doubt you believe what you just said. There is a reason why people use Venezuela instead of the countries I listed. One is heavily sanctioned by the US and rest are not(expect gazprom)
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I doubt you believe what you just said. There is a reason why people use Venezuela instead of the countries I listed. One is heavily sanctioned by the US and rest are not(expect gazprom)
    I know exactly what I am saying, Nationalized resources enabled big government and tyranny in those countries while the socialism reduced the people to dependency on government.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Having lived through it, well do I remember the "settled science" being agreed that peak oil in the USA had been reached, we'd never produce more than we needed again, that man's pollution was going to cause a new ice age, and that by 2000, gold, copper, aluminum and silver would be virtually unobtainable.

    So, by dint of trillions of dollars and man-hours of research and work, we have powerful cars that emit nothing more than unicorn farts, home heating units that touch 90% thermal efficiency, and have achieved energy independence.

    And the Bolsheviks can't stand that.

    So they're just going to take it from you when they achieve enough power, which is very soon.



    FLASHBACK – Jimmy Carter 1977: Set Winter Thermostat to 55 Degrees Overnight

    https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...ees-overnight/

    ROBERT KRAYCHIK 23 Aug 2019

    As president, Jimmy Carter advised Americans to set their thermostats to 55 degrees overnight during the winter months to “waste less energy,” offering his guidance in a televised address to the nation on February 2, 1977, in the midst of a national natural gas shortage.

    In laying out his proposed national energy policy, Carter did not call for reducing taxes on or regulation of the energy industry to incentivize increases in production. Instead, he prioritized “conservation.”

    Carter said:

    Our program will emphasize conservation. The amount of energy being wasted which could be saved is greater than the total energy that we are importing from foreign countries. We will also stress development of our rich coal reserves in an environmentally sound way; we will emphasize research on solar energy and other renewable energy sources; and we will maintain strict safeguards on necessary atomic energy production.

    The responsibility for setting energy policy is now split among more than 50 different agencies, departments, and bureaus in the Federal Government. Later this month, I will ask the Congress for its help in combining many of these agencies in a new energy department to bring order out of chaos. Congressional leaders have already been working on this for quite a while.

    We must face the fact that the energy shortage is permanent. There is no way we can solve it quickly. But if we all cooperate and make modest sacrifices, if we learn to live thriftily and remember the importance of helping our neighbors, then we can find ways to adjust and to make our society more efficient and our own lives more enjoyable and productive. Utility companies must promote conservation and not consumption. Oil and natural gas companies must be honest with all of us about their reserves and profits. We will find out the difference between real shortages and artificial ones. We will ask private companies to sacrifice, just as private citizens must do

    (So now, over 40 years later, with President Sanders, oil companies, and by extension myself, since I am in that business, are to be prosecuted and thrown in jail for successfully overcoming the "permanent" problem of energy shortages, and turning the US into the world's largest producer and a net exporter of energy products. $#@! these people...I hope you all go dark and hungry...$#@!ing ingrates. - AF)

    All of us must learn to waste less energy. Simply by keeping our thermostats, for instance, at 65 degrees in the daytime and 55 degrees at night we could save half the current shortage of natural gas.

    There is no way that I, or anyone else in the Government, can solve our energy problems if you are not willing to help. I know that we can meet this energy challenge if the burden is borne fairly among all our people—and if we realize that in order to solve our energy problems we need not sacrifice the quality of our lives.

    On April 18, 1977, Carter warned of a possible “national catastrophe” in the absence of broad-based “sacrifice” among Americans regarding energy consumption, predicting that “inflation will soar; production will go down; [and] people will lose their jobs.”

    “We are now running out of gas and oil,” claimed Carter.

    The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) recommendation for Americans to keep their thermostats at 78 degrees during the day and 82 degrees at night during summer months is reminiscent of Carter’s aforementioned proposal, assessed Charles Hurt, Washington Times opinion editor and Breitbart News columnist.

    Hurt joined Thursday’s edition of SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with host Alex Marlow to discuss the EPA’s environmental focus.

    “Remember the whole thing back when we were a nation in malaise under Jimmy Carter?” asked Hurt. “Actually my very first memory in life was waiting in gas lines in the little town I was living in, where I was born, and sitting in the back seat and it was so hot.”

    Hurt continued, “Of course, back then, whether we had air conditioning in our cars or not I don’t remember, but it didn’t really work when you were in a line of hundreds of cars on the day that you were allowed to go to the gas station and fill up, and this was what Jimmy Carter brought on with his stagflation.”

    Hurt went on, “What was [Jimmy Carter’s] recommendation? His recommendation for the winter months was to keep the furnace turned way down and to wear a sweater, and that encapsulates everything about Jimmy Carter, and sort of the leftist state.”
    ...

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    $#@! a bunch of 55 at night .I'm not sleeping in a poncho in an observation post at night anymore or I would think that was great .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It also worked well for Russia, Norway, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc. But lets pretend those examples don't exist and keep harping about Venezuela
    First of all it hasn't worked at all for Russia or Iran. What are you talking about? Russia has currency problems every time the price of oil falls. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...as-economy.asp Iran is so poor and unproductive that they have import gas. I guess it works for Saudi Arabia, if by works, you mean concentrate all the wealth in the hands of a few tyrants that have perpetual power over their country.

    It probably works in Norway. It works in a country that is half the size of metropolitan Chicago. Central planning has worked in a few very small well run countries. It has failed in the other 98% of countries that use it extensively.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 08-28-2019 at 09:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It probably works in Norway. It works in a country that is half the size of metropolitan Chicago. Central planning has worked in a few very small well run countries. It has failed in the other 98% of countries that use it extensively.
    Yup, in a tiny country with a tiny population of homogeneous and sane white folks.

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    This topic is so hard for me to accept. The idea that solar, wind and all the other green energy sources can supply the energy needs of the world seem Quixotic at best to me. The idea that we can turn down thermostats and curtail energy usage voluntarily sounds like nothing but a precursor for the mandatory cut backs that will be required to “save the planet” from ourselves. All the while our energy needs continue to grow.
    But lets turn our backs on $2.25 MMBtu natural gas, which we have in abundance in our own country. This idea that we can turn the Queen Mary around on a dime is the pipe dream of people like Bernie Sanders to promote their own agenda.
    This was/is a sky is falling platform in the 70’s and an unrealistic position today. SMH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup, in a tiny country with a tiny population of homogeneous and sane white folks.
    It worked in Libya even as the US were sanctioning it. It fell apart once the bombs started falling. Next thing you know, AF would tell me the Libyans are white
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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