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    In New "Mind-Blowing" Study, Planting Trees Reduces Carbon Better Than Carbon Taxes

    August 21, 2019 • Robert P. Murphy

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    A recent article in the Guardian trumpeted the findings of a new study published in Science that found massive tree planting would be — by far — the cheapest and most effective approach to mitigating climate change. Ironically, the new thinking shows the pitfalls of political approaches to combating so-called “negative externalities.” The good news about tree planting disrupts the familiar narrative about carbon taxes that even professional economists have been feeding the public for years. The whole episode is an example of what Ronald Coase warned about, in his classic 1960 article showing the danger in the traditional approach of using taxes to fix alleged market failures.

    Ronald Coase vs. A. C. Pigou on “Externalities”

    Coase’s “The Problem of Social Cost” is one of the most frequently cited economics articles of all time, but it can be difficult for a newcomer to absorb its lessons. In this revolutionary piece, Coase challenged the standard approach to externalities that had been developed by economist A. C. Pigou.

    According to Pigou, the market economy works fine in allocating resources efficiently under most circumstances. However, when third parties experience benefits or harms because of particular market transactions, the Invisible Hand fails. For example, if a factory dumps waste into a river as a by-product of making TVs, then the factory owner is making “too many” TVs because the owner isn’t taking into account the harm his business is imposing on the people living downstream. The profit-and-loss system presumes that consumers and firms are receiving feedback from the impact of their actions, and so (Pigou argued) a case of pollution leads to inefficiency.

    Pigou suggested that in a case like this, the government should impose a tax on the TV factory, corresponding to the harm that additional output causes to the people living downstream. The tax would then lead the owner of the factory to scale back production, to the point at which the “marginal” TV produced would bestow roughly equal benefits and costs to society, taking everything into account. (Without the Pigovian tax, the factory owner would produce additional TV sets for which their marginal cost to society exceeded their marginal benefit, meaning society would be worse off because of these additional units.)

    For the purpose of this post, I’ll have to be brief, but here is the quick and dirty version of how Ronald Coase came along and completely upended this traditional Pigovian analysis: First, Coase told his readers to stop thinking of these situations in terms of the good guys and bad guys. In my hypothetical TV factory case — which is my example, not Coase’s — we shouldn’t view the factory owner as someone violating the downstream homeowners. Rather, Coase urged his readers to consider, what he called, the “reciprocal nature” of the problem.

    Specifically, Coase would say in our example that the real problem is one of scarcity and competing uses for the river water. The factory owner would like to use the river as a place to dump his waste after producing TVs, while the homeowners would like to use the river for their kids to play in or to wash their clothes. The two uses are incompatible, and the issue is: To which party should the use of the river be allocated? Coase warns us that if the government installs a TV tax on the factory, the politicians are simply assuming that the most efficient solution to the conflict is for the factory to scale back TV production.

    But we can imagine better outcomes, depending on the specifics. Suppose, for example, that there are only a few households who live downstream from the factory, and are harmed by its waste products. In this situation, rather than the owner greatly scaling back TV production — and depriving consumers around the country of having cheap TVs — maybe the least-cost solution is for the factory owner to buy the properties from the few families and pay them to move somewhere else. Note that we are talking about voluntary exchanges here; the people aren’t being evicted by the sheriff. Rather, just suppose for the sake of argument that for (say) $2 million, the factory owner could buy out the families living downstream, and everybody would be much happier than the outcome that would result under a TV tax.

    Now that we’ve worked through this hypothetical example to illustrate the out-of-the-box thinking Coase developed in his 1960 paper, I’ll demonstrate its relevance to the new study about trees and climate change.


    Tree Option Might Greatly Reduce the “Social Cost of Carbon”

    As the Guardian piece explains, the new study is far more optimistic about the scale of tree planting available on Earth than had been earlier believed. This is why the scientists involved in the study think a massive campaign of planting trees is now the single best approach to mitigating climate change. Here are some key excerpts from the Guardian article:


    Planting billions of trees across the world is by far the biggest and cheapest way to tackle the climate crisis, according to scientists, who have made the first calculation of how many more trees could be planted without encroaching on crop land or urban areas.

    As trees grow, they absorb and store the carbon dioxide emissions that are driving global heating. New research estimates that a worldwide planting programme could remove two-thirds of all the emissions that have been pumped into the atmosphere by human activities, a figure the scientists describe as “mind-blowing”.



    “This new quantitative evaluation shows [forest] restoration isn’t just one of our climate change solutions, it is overwhelmingly the top one,” said Prof Tom Crowther at the Swiss university ETH Zurich, who led the research. “What blows my mind is the scale. I thought restoration would be in the top 10, but it is overwhelmingly more powerful than all of the other climate change solutions proposed.”


    Citing a figure that planting a new tree costs roughly 30 cents, Prof. Crowther remarked that we could plant the target of 1 trillion trees by spending about $300 billion. Sure, that’s a big number, but its nowhere close to the economic cost of imposing a worldwide carbon tax, the “solution” that many economists have been promoting for years as a no-brainer. (William Nordhaus’s model in its 2007 calibration estimated that even his modest carbon tax would cause several trillion dollars [in today’s dollars] in economic compliance costs, while the more aggressive proposals would cause more than $20 trillion in economic costs.)

    This episode is a specific example of the type of problem Ronald Coase warned about. Specifically, the carbon tax logic assumed that the problem was, “People are emitting too much carbon dioxide and we need to coerce them into scaling back.” But what if instead the problem was, “People aren’t planting enough trees, and we need to coax them into planting more”?

    To give some quick numbers: By some estimates, a single healthy tree can sequester up to a ton of carbon dioxide by the time it reaches 40 years old, and we also read that a silver maple tree will absorb 400 pounds of carbon dioxide by the time it reaches 25 years old.

    So consider a coal-fired power plant that is going to emit a ton of carbon dioxide in order to produce some additional electricity. If the pro-tax economists had gotten their way, there would be a $42 tax levied on the power plant, since the Obama EPA estimated that that was the “social cost of carbon” for the year 2020.

    Yet if there is room on Earth for more trees — given the plans of everybody else — that Obama-era estimate greatly overstates the harm of the emission. Rather than imposing $42 in damages as the EPA calculations suggested, the power plant owner could spend a mere $3 to plant 10 trees, meaning that over the next two decades the trees would have absorbed more than the additional emissions, and would in fact continue reducing CO2 in the atmosphere for decades beyond.

    As this simple example illustrates, a carbon tax of $42 would have been a gross overkill. It would have led power plants and other firms to scale back their emissions in very costly ways that stifled economic growth, when — apparently — there was a much cheaper solution available. And notice throughout all of this discussion, I am stipulating the basic externality framework for the sake of argument, and am merely showing the problems that Ronald Coase demonstrated with this one-size-fits-all way of thinking.


    A Theater Analogy

    Consider a movie theater. It’s a problem that people sometimes drop popcorn and other litter on the floor. Now there are two ways the theater could respond: (1) It could install cameras and personnel to monitor the customers and heavily fine anybody caught dropping stuff on the floor. This would be a huge inconvenience and make movie-going far less pleasant. Or (2) the theater could hire personnel to clean up the floor after a show. And notice that even if some combination were used — maybe the theater calls the police on somebody who just runs up and down the aisles dumping soda on the floor — there is no reason that the “fine” imposed on litterers should be used to pay the salary of the employees who pick up popcorn with a broom. Those are two totally different considerations.

    When it comes to carbon taxes, the conventional logic has simply assumed that penalizing emissions is the appropriate solution to the ostensible problem of harmful climate change. But maybe that is totally wrong. Perhaps it would make far more sense to pay people to plant trees.

    And while it’s true that some carbon tax proposals contain (mild) provisions for reforestation, there is no reason at all for those programs to be linked. In general, taxing carbon is a very inefficient way to raise government revenue. If tree planting is truly superior, then it would make more economic sense to use general tax funds for the subsidies. There is no reason at all to earmark carbon tax revenues for reforestation; this would be as silly as insisting that movie theaters only pay the clean-up employees out of their “litter tax” rather than the general revenues from ticket sales.


    Conclusion

    New developments in the scientific literature show that tree-planting might be the single best way to reduce the human contribution to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The whole episode shows the folly of top-down political solutions to social challenges. Even if we stipulate the standard framework of “market failure,” it does not follow that a carbon tax set to the “social cost of carbon” is the way to restore efficiency. The case for a carbon tax is much weaker than the so-called experts have been assuring us.


    https://mises.org/wire/new-mind-blow...r-carbon-taxes

    Originally published at the Institute for Energy Research
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    Shocker!
    There is no spoon.

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    I've been posting that here for years, and on youtube for 15, and you've never said boo about it, lmao.

    In fact I posted it again an hour ago, and here you are......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I've been posting that here for years, and on youtube for 15, and you've never said boo about it, lmao.

    In fact I posted it again an hour ago, and here you are......
    So, praise it- don't turn it into a me/you/leftist/rightist/blah/blah/blah thread.
    There is no spoon.

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    Been posting this for 15 years , here's one from a couple hrs ago, on RPF:

    Had there ever been a shred of truth regarding anthropomorphic GW, Al et al would have
    been out planting massive forests decades ago,
    fact is the last thing they
    want is a logical solution of any kind.

    Its Hegelian, which works backwards to the traditional outline, it actually works like this;


    1) We need to establish a Global Tax base in order to accelerate the funding of the NWO

    2) Create a problem everyone will be concerned about ; END OF LIFE ON EARTH

    3)Create a solution; Trillions in confiscatory global taxation, and promise to correct the
    problem by creating a worse one (probable unintended consequence, but then maybe not : ) ,
    a C02 deficit that may be nearly impossible to recover from.


    CO2 is not a pollutant, regardless of how they attempt to refer to and treat it as such.
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-is-Happening
    Hegelian Dialectic is;
    Problem, reaction , solution,
    It actually functions though in reverse order.
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 08-21-2019 at 05:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, praise it- don't turn it into a me/you/leftist/rightist/blah/blah/blah thread.
    Piss off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Piss off
    Don't get any on ya.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Don't get any on ya.
    Let me ask you enders, have you ever written anything here that was more than a sentence and a half, let me see
    anything that you've written anywhere, that you think makes a contribution to society, anything,
    I'd love to see it, would you even recognize a paragraph if someone laid one down in
    front of you .........



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Let me ask you enders, have you ever written anything here that was more than a sentence and a half, let me see
    anything that you've written anywhere, that you think makes a contribution to society, anything,
    I'd love to see it, would you even recognize a paragraph if someone laid one down in
    front of you .........
    I used to write a lot until this place became a "hate forum".

    My whole purpose in life is to help educate others in liberty & real history- & the arts- especially youth- and I spend most every minute on that- just not here anymore.

    BTW- I agree with both you and PAF on the importance of trees- just asking for decent dialog instead of insults & name-calling.
    There is no spoon.

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    What is your favorite type of tree?

    I'm going with eastern red cedar for coniferous....swamp willow maybe for deciduous??? Lots to chose from

    We know TheTexan is gonna say pecan tree
    Last edited by tfurrh; 08-21-2019 at 07:07 PM.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    What is your favorite type of tree?
    Money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Money
    Shoot I can't keep those from spontaneously combusting upon eye contact
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    I can't freakin stand crape myrtles. I'd rather the carbon tax
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    Seriously? My mind was completely blown by this.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Let me ask you enders, have you ever written anything here that was more than a sentence and a half, let me see
    anything that you've written anywhere, that you think makes a contribution to society, anything,
    I'd love to see it, would you even recognize a paragraph if someone laid one down in
    front of you .........
    Mostly he posts in support of trolls and enemies like the ACLU and the Jesuits.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I can't freakin stand crape myrtles. I'd rather the carbon tax
    Try Mulberries , fkn A they'll kill ya , and laugh, fk those basterds' .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mostly he posts in support of trolls and enemies like the ACLU and the Jesuits.
    lol, Anders seems decent at times but also seems to be PAF's instant support group or groupie could be alt
    id's , :shrugs: but Anders seems to have his own personality, I sometimes wonder if 'three faces of eve' is the
    basic structure / model for some of the Trolls on this site...... lol......

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    For me, the dumbest concept is "carbon offsets". You pay me not to pollute (something I was perhaps going to not do anyways) so you can go on and pollute yourself and still feel good about it. My not making pollution somehow makes up for the mess you made. Or maybe a tree gets planted in Indonesia (which has lots of trees) somehow cleans up the air in New York where you flew in your private jet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mostly he posts in support of trolls and enemies like the ACLU and the Jesuits.
    LOL- says the biggest troll on the forum.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    What is your favorite type of tree?

    I'm going with eastern red cedar for coniferous....swamp willow maybe for deciduous??? Lots to chose from

    We know TheTexan is gonna say pecan tree
    Love all trees but have a special place in my heart for willows.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    LOL- says the biggest troll on the forum.
    I am Beowulf the troll slayer.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am Beowulf the troll slayer.
    No- you're Saruman, the ring-kisser.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    No- you're Saruman, the ring-kisser.
    Says the guy who kisses the Jesuits' ring.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    For me, the dumbest concept is "carbon offsets". You pay me not to pollute (something I was perhaps going to not do anyways) so you can go on and pollute yourself and still feel good about it. My not making pollution somehow makes up for the mess you made. Or maybe a tree gets planted in Indonesia (which has lots of trees) somehow cleans up the air in New York where you flew in your private jet.
    QFT
    I couldn't have said it better
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Love all trees but have a special place in my heart for willows.
    My mom made scared of weeping willows. When I was little, she told me if you planted one you would die when it got big enough to shade your grave.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    My mom made scared of weeping willows. When I was little, she told me if you planted one you would die when it got big enough to shade your grave.
    LOL- my grandmother had a beautiful willow that covered half her front yard. I used to love to hide in it and read.
    There is no spoon.

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    Where is the love for algae?

    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am Beowulf the troll slayer.
    Is anything more pathetic than someone who fantasizes about being a hero online? I can't think of anything.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Says the guy who kisses the Jesuits' ring.
    Ahhh, Mr. Hater has nothing so he makes things up.

    I think I mentioned the Jesuits a couple of times in one thread because of some wrong history about them.

    But keep on hating Mr Hater- shows why you're really here.
    There is no spoon.

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    This has always seemed so obvious to me, that I had to wonder what's wrong with everyone else on the planet, and if I were the crazy one?!

    There is so much space where more trees could, and should, be growing (regardless of carbon!) - all along every highway, parking lots and what's the point of all those huge lawns corporate buildings tend to keep around their offices? I just don't understand this "norm" of wanting to plant grass over every single area of non-garden dirt. It's so high maintenance! When you plant trees and shrubs that are native to your area, they take care of themselves and become a habitat for smaller native plants that used to exist in abundance.

    I love to see trees, ferns, mosses, all the ephemeral wildflowers - everything that grows in a northeastern woodland. I've planted these things in my small yard (with patches of lawn here and there) but wish I could be surrounded by woodland with a brook or stream (and I like tuttles! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)

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