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Thread: Trump Claims He Is ‘Seriously’ Considering Ending Birthright Citizenship for Children of Illeg

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    Trump Claims He Is ‘Seriously’ Considering Ending Birthright Citizenship for Children of Illeg

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...al-immigrants/

    He would have to change the Constitution- you can't do it by Executive Order. He said he was going to do this in October, 2018 as well.

    President Trump said Wednesday that he is “seriously” considering issuing an executive order to end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.

    Speaking to reporters outside the White House, Trump argued that it is “frankly ridiculous” that the U.S. affords citizenship to babies born to immigrants who entered the country illegally.

    “We’re looking at that very seriously, birthright citizenship, where you have a baby on our land — you walk over the border and have a baby,” Trump told reporters. “Congratulations, the baby is now a U.S. citizen. We’re looking at it very, very seriously. I don’t know how you found that out, but that’s very good. We are looking at birthright citizenship very seriously.”

    Wednesday’s comments represent the second instance in which Trump has publicly criticized birthright citizenship, particularly as it relates to the children of recent illegal immigrants, whom Trump has described as “anchor babies” on numerous occasions.

    Trump told Axios in October 2018 that he planned to issue an executive order curtailing birthright citizenship, but never followed through. “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States . . . with all of those benefits,” he said. “It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end.”

    Any attempt to restrict birthright citizenship through an executive order would likely face stiff legal challenges and might ultimately require a constitutional amendment — a point Trump disputed during the Axios interview.



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    Trump told Axios in October 2018 that he planned to issue an executive order curtailing birthright citizenship, but never followed through.
    Heard that one before, Trump. You can seriously consider in one hand, ________ in the other, and see which one fills up first.
    Last edited by tfurrh; 08-21-2019 at 01:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He said he was going to do this in October, 2018 as well.
    Yea but he's super serio this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Heard that one before, Trump. You can seriously consider in one hand, ________ in the other, and see which one fills up first.
    That's a much better way of saying exactly what I was thinking.

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    Good.
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    He should just clarify that 'born to parents under the jurisdiction' , Clarification;
    Born in the US to US Citizens of the US establishes 'Natural Born' citizenship.

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    too busy shredding the bill o rights...
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    An end to birthright citizenship would be amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...al-immigrants/

    He would have to change the Constitution- you can't do it by Executive Order. He said he was going to do this in October, 2018 as well.
    Be nice , but do not get your hopes up .
    Do something Danke

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    Yeah, right, just as soon as he gets that money from Mexico for the wall...

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    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
    Does or did Ron Paul think birthright citizenship could be eliminated via executive order?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
    But birthright citizenship is good because... something something small government.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Does or did Ron Paul think birthright citizenship could be eliminated via executive order?
    End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. - Ron Paul 2007
    Doesn't say.

    I reckon he probably wouldn't...I don't know.

    I just know it has to end.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    But birthright citizenship is good because... something something small government.
    The communists are on the march, working themselves up into a for real killing frenzy, and we sit around whacking each other off in endless philosotarian circle jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
    People mock him because he is a BS artist and a conman. He also said that he would like to break up NATO then proceeded to ask NATO countries to increased their donation, talked about Ending the fed but quickly forgot about it after he became president, talked about ending regime change wars and bring back the troops but never did, said he would build the wall and blew his chance when he had a republican house and senate. Essentially, he reneges on his promises that hurt the establishment. He lacks credibility and he deserves the mockery that he is getting.

    Now if he actually achieves this goal, then he would regain the credibility to make such a statement without being mocked.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
    I'm not really mocking, but he's done this a dozen times on a dozen issues this year alone. Time for some show, not just talk. There's an election coming up, the talk this week had been recession, and this is a nice other thing to get the media frothing over.

    As my old buddy Michael Scott used to say, "fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice?........strike three."
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    “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside.”


    They are not "subject to the jurisdiction," they are in the country, illegally.
    FJB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The communists are on the march, working themselves up into a for real killing frenzy, and we sit around whacking each other off in endless philosotarian circle jerks.
    Won't see Planned Parenthood talking many Hispanic Catholics into aborting their lottery ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Does or did Ron Paul think birthright citizenship could be eliminated via executive order?
    I don't know but there is no reason it can't be ended for illegals that way because executive action is what gave it to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't know but there is no reason it can't be ended for illegals that way because executive action is what gave it to them.
    Link?

    Note that anything changed via executive order can be undone by the next president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link?
    Go look for yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Note that anything changed via executive order can be undone by the next president.
    No, in this case the law is not being followed and any future POTUS should be prevented from changing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Go look for yourself.

    I see. Yet again you are making claims you are unable to support. Thanks again for trying. I know you only doing your best.

    No, in this case the law is not being followed and any future POTUS should be prevented from changing it.
    Any executive order can be undone by another executive. If you want it unchangeable, you need to get it codified into the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I see. Yet again you are making claims you are unable to support. Thanks again for trying. I know you only doing your best.
    I can support it but you aren't worth my time.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Any executive order can be undone by another executive. If you want it unchangeable, you need to get it codified into the law.
    An executive order to follow the law can't be undone by one to break it.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

    Got it.
    He was also going to release the scheduled to be released JFK paper but did not, was gonna pull of of the UN then started using the UN to harass other countries. I could go on a bit longer with the good policies he has reneged on. This is why people laugh at him.

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    It would be better to end citizenship altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I'm not really mocking, but he's done this a dozen times on a dozen issues this year alone. Time for some show, not just talk. There's an election coming up, the talk this week had been recession, and this is a nice other thing to get the media frothing over.

    As my old buddy Michael Scott used to say, "fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice?........strike three."
    True enough...all talk in a bag so far.

    let's see some action.
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    Trump is 'testing the waters' , he should have just done it , same with most of his
    other 'tests' .

    This is what I hate about Trump;

    Hillary is Free/ never going to prison
    IRS is bigger than ever
    Patriot Act is alive and well
    ASSET FORFETITURE
    Incentives for Illegals to invade still in place
    Israel First/ support of their war crimes and thievery/robbery
    OBAMA CARE
    DUE PROCESS (on the table to eliminate / already compromised under Patriot Act)
    2ND Amendment attacks
    NDAA
    DHS
    TSA
    NSA
    FBI

    Likes;
    Thumbed nose at global co2 tax alliance
    Anti PC
    Helped create/keep some jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside.”


    They are not "subject to the jurisdiction," they are in the country, illegally.
    How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?
    You should ask Julian Assange.

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