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    Rand Paul: If Trump Ends War in Afghanistan, Nobel Committee Should Give Him Peace Prize

    Trump is planning a phased withdrawal from Afghanistan:


    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1162395291569610759



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    Rand is right.
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    People should not be given prestigious accolades for doing things they ought to have done anyway.

    (And in any case, as the Obama example illustrates, the Nobel Peace prize is now more a pathetic joke than a prestigious accolade ...)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-17-2019 at 04:42 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    People should not be given prestigious accolades for doing things they ought to have done anyway.

    (And in any case, as the Obama example illustrates, the Nobel Peace prize is now more a pathetic joke than a prestigious accolade ...)
    People should be praised for doing the right thing when everyone else has been doing the wrong thing.
    The carrot is just as important as the stick.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Who is creating these silly tweets for Rand? so because we made a mistake by giving it to Obama, we should now double down on that mistake by giving it to Trump? Trump has continue the Obama war against Yemen, doubled down on Syria, tried to start new ones in Iran and Venezuela. Lastly, is there a rule that it should go to an American president? if no, then why can't this PEACE prize to be given to an actual man of peace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Who is creating these silly tweets for Rand? so because we made a mistake by giving it to Obama, we should now double down on that mistake by giving it to Trump? Trump has continue the Obama war against Yemen, doubled down on Syria, tried to start new ones in Iran and Venezuela. Lastly, is there a rule that it should go to an American president? if no, then why can't this PEACE prize to be given to an actual man of peace?
    Trump has NOT tried to start new wars in Iran and Venezuela and he has been pulling us out of Syria.

    But may be we shouldn't encourage him to do the right thing, it will be so much more satisfying to let the warmongers be the only people he listens to so we can say "told ya so".
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Just completed a very good meeting on Afghanistan. Many on the opposite side of this 19 year war, and us, are looking to make a deal – if possible!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 16, 2019
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump has NOT tried to start new wars in Iran and Venezuela and he has been pulling us out of Syria.

    But may be we shouldn't encourage him to do the right thing, it will be so much more satisfying to let the warmongers be the only people he listens to so we can say "told ya so".
    You do know it was this encouraging rationale that led to Obama getting a peace prize, with Obama, he actually got the prize before he started his militarism, Trump at the point has shown everyone that he is a man of war.

    Sorry but you are wrong, Trump has been trying for a while now to get it on with Iran and Venezuela and he is not pulling out of Syria. They plan on keeping the fighting going on for more years to come while occupying large areas of Syria with their armies or proxies.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You do know it was this encouraging rationale that led to Obama getting a peace prize, with Obama, he actually got the prize before he started his militarism, Trump at the point has shown everyone that he is a man of war.

    Sorry but you are wrong, Trump has been trying for a while now to get it on with Iran and Venezuela and he is not pulling out of Syria. They plan on keeping the fighting going on for more years to come while occupying large areas of Syria with their armies or proxies.
    O'Bummer didn't do anything to be encouraged about.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You do know it was this encouraging rationale that led to Obama getting a peace prize, with Obama, he actually got the prize before he started his militarism, Trump at the point has shown everyone that he is a man of war.

    Sorry but you are wrong, Trump has been trying for a while now to get it on with Iran and Venezuela and he is not pulling out of Syria. They plan on keeping the fighting going on for more years to come while occupying large areas of Syria with their armies or proxies.

    What did Obama do specifically to earn the Peace Prize?


    : popcorn :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    O'Bummer didn't do anything to be encouraged about.
    He did, he got it after the whole speech to the Arab world, the one he made in Egypt, he also reached out to Iran which was considered a gesture of peace. All this happened before he showed his warmongering hand.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He did, he got it after the whole speech to the Arab world, the one he made in Egypt, he also reached out to Iran which was considered a gesture of peace. All this happened before he showed his warmongering hand.
    A speech? you think that is equivalent to ending wars?

    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    What did Obama do specifically to earn the Peace Prize?


    : popcorn :
    nothing, he didn't deserve the prize, same as Trump
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump has NOT tried to start new wars in Iran and Venezuela and he has been pulling us out of Syria.

    But may be we shouldn't encourage him to do the right thing, it will be so much more satisfying to let the warmongers be the only people he listens to so we can say "told ya so".
    We will be all out by January, 2019. He promised. In March 2018, we will be out of Syria "very soon". He says a lot of things he never does.

    Who dropped the '"Mother of All Bombs" on Afghanistan and set records for drone attacks (and stopped sharing information on such attacks so people are unaware they still continue)? Who expanded our involvement in Syria and Yemen?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-17-2019 at 05:50 PM.
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    What did Obama do specifically to earn the Peace Prize?


    : popcorn :
    He gave a speech.







    And he was black.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    People should not be given prestigious accolades for doing things they ought to have done anyway.

    (And in any case, as the Obama example illustrates, the Nobel Peace prize is now more a pathetic joke than a prestigious accolade ...)

    Then there's that whole gun control thing to consider too. Yeah, definitely undeserving of any accolades.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    We will be all out by January, 2019. He promised. In March 2018, we will be out of Syria "very soon". He says a lot of things he never does.

    Who dropped the '"Mother of All Bombs" on Afghanistan and set records for drone attacks (and stopped sharing information on such attacks so people are unaware they still continue)? Who expanded our involvement in Syria and Yemen?
    The new peace prize winner.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Then there's that whole gun control thing to consider too. Yeah, definitely undeserving of any accolades.
    The Flip Flopper in Chief is trying to back off that one now too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A speech? you think that is equivalent to ending wars?

    LOL
    The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

    Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
    The main reason Nobel committee gave for giving him the award
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The Flip Flopper in Chief is trying to back off that one now too.

    I was referring to his reprehensible support for gun control. If he's backing away from that support now after realizing he may actually need the support of gun owners in the next election, that's no cause for praise either.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Trump loves awards and is probably pissed Obama got a Nobel and he may not. He was pushing for one for his photo-ops (there has not been any actual substance behind them) with North Korea and hopes that Peace With Israel may give him another shot (buying off Palestinians without giving them more freedom and rights won't fly- that plan is Dead on Arrival). Surrender in Afghanistan won't do it (the Taliban know how badly he wants out so they aren't going to concede anything- why should they? and the Afghan government isn't even part of the talks).

    Obama got his for being the first African American elected President. He hadn't done anything else yet. It was a "hope" award that he would eventually lead to new and better things. Not much changed.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-17-2019 at 06:03 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He gave a speech.



    And he was black.
    3. His dream was to Crush the US Constitution, he did his best.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The main reason Nobel committee gave for giving him the award
    He gave a speech.



    And he was black.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    nothing, he didn't deserve the prize, same as Trump
    If Trump brought all our 'warring' troops home I would give it to him, better yet, putting
    Hillary in prison would warrant it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    If Trump brought all our 'warring' troops home I would give it to him, better yet, putting
    Hillary in prison would warrant it.
    What if he withdrew the troops at the same time as he is threatening Iran and Venezuela? should he still get it?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    What if he withdrew the troops at the same time as he is threatening Iran and Venezuela? should he still get it?
    No,fk no, he's turned into a joke in my book......

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    No,fk no, he's turned into a joke in my book......
    Well, if its a joke award, then Trump can have it too. Lets be like Oprah and give everyone a trophy. John Bolton, Benjamin Netenyahu, Pompeo etc etc.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    If Trump brought all our 'warring' troops home I would give it to him, better yet, putting
    Hillary in prison would warrant it
    .
    Yet another thing the Flip Flopper in Chief backed off from. He was going to throw here in jail "Lock Her Up!" and did nothing. Do they give awards for constantly changing your mind or contradicting ones self?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  33. #29
    Trump doesn't necessarily deserve anything but yanking Obama's and handing it to Trump is much more favorable than letting Obama keep an unearned prize.

    Plus it would trigger the left and some TDS patients on RPF.
    Rand Paul : Ultimately, if someone's going to accuse you of something that's going to bring down a presidency, I think we deserve to know who that person is.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What a grotesque embarrassment Rand has become
    Ron Paul : If you're accused of a crime, you have the right to face your accuser.
    ^^^^^^
    Talk about embarrassing...

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Well, if its a joke award, then Trump can have it too. Lets be like Oprah and give everyone a trophy. John Bolton, Benjamin Netenyahu, Pompeo etc etc.
    Indeed , it has become a meaningless farce.

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