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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's what Real ID is. That's why you have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a Real ID. State ID + immigration status = Real ID


    https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/...d-act-text.pdf
    WRONG

    REALID includes biometrics, that's what's bad about it.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    WRONG

    REALID includes biometrics, that's what's bad about it.
    There's a link to the Real ID act in my post. You quoted it.

    Please show me where the biometrics are.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    There's a link to the Real ID act in my post. You quoted it.

    Please show me where the biometrics are.
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    (3) Subject each person applying for
    a driver's license or identification
    card to mandatory facial image capture.


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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    One troll quotes the other two as "proof" of his lies.

    I posted the OP, nothing in the OP is about REALID.
    Of course it is. But I suppose you think it's coincidence that IDs now have a "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option and a "FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option (REALID) at the same time Trump is pushing for everyone to have an ID in order to participate in governance in any sort. For someone that claims to hate socialism so much, you sure do appear to love supporting every single step it takes to implement it.

    Oh that's right, you support theocratic world government, which is socialist world government. Never mind.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Of course it is. But I suppose you think it's coincidence that IDs now have a "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option and a "FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option (REALID) at the same time Trump is pushing for everyone to have an ID in order to participate in governance in any sort. For someone that claims to hate socialism so much, you sure do appear to love supporting every single step it takes to implement it.

    Oh that's right, you support theocratic world government, which is socialist world government. Never mind.
    You are lying again, but since you follow the father of lies that's not surprising.
    I oppose socialist world government.
    It is obvious that you support it since you support the open borders and voter fraud that will impose it.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are lying again, but since you follow the father of lies that's not surprising.
    I oppose socialist world government.
    It is obvious that you support it since you support the open borders and voter fraud that will impose it.
    Perhaps you should have taken my advice and read what the leaders of your church are working toward and who they consider their god. I can assume that you are either 1)willfully ignorant of it or 2)intentionally being deceptive.

    IDs are for slaves.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's what Real ID is. That's why you have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a Real ID. State ID + immigration status = Real ID


    https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/...d-act-text.pdf

    Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting. Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting. Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.
    You should update your knowledgebase. It applies to state issued IDs now. My SO just renewed her driver license and was given the option of whether to receive a standard license or a REALID federally compliant license. Eventually those state IDs will be phased out for a federal ID. Cuz' Messicans. All the stuff posted years ago about REALID is happening now...
    Last edited by devil21; 08-14-2019 at 09:51 PM.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Perhaps you should have taken my advice and read what the leaders of your church are working toward and who they consider their god. I can assume that you are either 1)willfully ignorant of it or 2)intentionally being deceptive.

    IDs are for slaves.
    IDs are for preventing fraud and I know far more about the beliefs of my church than you do.
    You have been corrected about them too but you insist on lying about them because that is what you do.
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You should update your knowledgebase. It applies to state issued IDs now. My SO just renewed her driver license and was given the option of whether to receive a standard license or a REALID federally compliant license. Eventually those state IDs will be phased out for a federal ID. Cuz' Messicans. All the stuff posted years ago about REALID is happening now...
    I'm aware of RID being tied to states DLs. It has nothing to do with tying voter registration to citizenship.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    IDs are for preventing fraud and I know far more about the beliefs of my church than you do.
    You have been corrected about them too but you insist on lying about them because that is what you do.
    IDs are fraud, genius. They steal rights and offer privileges, under false pretenses, instead.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    IDs are fraud, genius. They steal rights and offer privileges, under false pretenses, instead.
    LOL
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    You push the progression toward the Mark of the Beast yet call me the follower of the father of lies. LOL indeed.

    You are one confused little boy.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You push the progression toward the Mark of the Beast yet call me the follower of the father of lies. LOL indeed.

    You are one confused little boy.
    Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

    You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

    You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.
    Weird, I'm pretty sure it was Republicans that committed fraud in the NC9 election that I'm currently working with the LP candidate on during this re-do election. Not a Messican in sight.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Weird, I'm pretty sure it was Republicans that committed fraud in the NC9 election that I'm currently working with the LP candidate on during this re-do election. Not a Messican in sight.
    One person doing something doesn't prove others don't.
    In fact it is evidence that makes it more likely that others do it too.
    And plenty of Republicans are open borders scum so your deflection is laughable.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Page 4:

    (3) Subject each person applying for
    a driver's license or identification
    card to mandatory facial image capture.


    It's called a picture. All pre-Real ID driver's licenses had them.

    Do you oppose photo ID?

    Will your mandatory votor ID have a picture on it or not?
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    How does voter ID equate to Real ID? Voter ID could easily be linked to a birth certificate or naturalization to insure the voter is a citizen.

    I worked a precinct and guess what? You can't see jack because the ballots go into the machine and that's that. I watched as they were pulled from the machine and the boxes sealed but it's not like I got to ride along to the county facility where they went or got to actually verify anything. Without actual humans counting paper ballots, nothing is verifiable.

    Precincts matter because it is closest to home. I do work the precincts every election. You get the know who the folks in your local community and what their general views are. "Exit Polling" helps a lot which I do a lot of, though it is their right if they wish not to share. Once that becomes the state or Fed's responsibility, well, we know what would happen.

    I don't need biometrics, Real ID or other state/fed "solution". I know the folks in my locale for the most part. That +/- 1-3% margin of error, if it exists, does not warrant overlords coming into my neighborhood.

    Coming from the top on down including this president, Real ID is another excuse to push responsibility onto somebody else, in this case the State/Fed. For those who truly believe in limited government, they need to get off of their own fannies and get to work, and work the system from the bottom-up, the way that it was intended.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This thread isn't about REALID no matter how much you and the other pro-illegals voting crowd try to claim it is.
    Source?

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting.
    Yes, real ID is about lots of things. One of them is validation of citizenship or immigration status. Because Mexicans, as @devil21 put it.


    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.
    I don't understand your point. By having people submit evidence of citizenship or immigration when they apply for an ID (which is what Real ID requires), the state is creating a record in a database which says whether that person can vote or not. If you want voter ID, you also have to do that. So you're either going to 1) use Real ID-compliant ID cards, or 2) create a second Real ID database with all of the same information in it, but call it Voter ID instead so that you feel better, even though it is exactly the same.


    If that's not true, I'd love to hear how your theoretical voter ID is different from Real ID in anything besides name.

  25. #51
    Make no mistake, this will somehow be used to further expand the big government police state. Preventing voter fraud is certainly a good thing. But it will come as no surprise if this ends up being nothing more than another trojan horse for "real id" (biometrics). In addition, states currently make their own laws concerning voter verification, so this would also be further undermining of the 10th Amendment.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

    You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.
    That's the speel that those who do not understand what the mark of the beast is. It has been used for a very long time to instill fear in people. The mark is allowing this fear to consume your mind. If you believe the malarky you are doing Satan's bidding.

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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    That's the speel that those who do not understand what the mark of the beast is. It has been used for a very long time to instill fear in people. The mark is allowing this fear to consume your mind. If you believe the malarky you are doing Satan's bidding.

    Revelation 9:4 (KJV)

    4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
    What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

    At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
    Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

    At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
    Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    + Rep

    Those who don’t understand what liberty is can’t/won’t miss it.
    I think it's more specifically a case of people relying too much on their "leaders" (religious figures, politicians, etc) to "explain" everything to them and never bothering to do any truth-finding and critical-thinking on their own.

    Also consider how I stated in this thread that IDs are in and of themselves a form of fraud since you are lying by 1)representing yourself as someone you are not, thus unwittingly sinning by bearing false witness and 2)unwittingly representing yourself as a thing (ties into my posts on the License thread) instead of a divine creation. Religious people don't have a clue what they're actually being lead into by their "leaders". Never mind that fraud is also being committed against them by getting them to accept IDs under false pretenses. That's actually minor by comparison to the big picture.
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

    At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
    Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.
    You have to be smarter than the serpent... You need to be a watchmen and discern--there are triumphs, vials, and seals foretold throughout the word in the Bible. The Mark is doing the work of Satan--which is when he will appear on earth--the 6th trump, the 6th vial and the the 6th seal. Christians (who know and understand God's word) should be paying attention and know to stock up on things like food, water, precious metals--things that can be used to barter). This will be for a short period, five months (Matthew 24:22 - Revelation 9:5).

    The Mark in their heads (what is in your brain, knowledge and wisdom) and in their right hand, they are doing the work of Satan because they are not familiar enough to know the time we are in. It is symbolic, it is not a physical Mark.

    Just as Jesus sits at the right hand of God (58 Bible verses discussing the right hand)-- those who use their right hand for the wicked is working for Satan and doing his work.

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  32. #57
    ...and what else might come of this voter id? What other creative use might we find this "length of rope" tied to?



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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

    You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.
    It is about better tracking everybody. It is being done under the guise of claiming we need to be able to tell "us" from "them"- whoever "they" are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is about better tracking everybody. It is being done under the guise of claiming we need to be able to tell "us" from "them"- whoever "they" are.
    They are the ones that are not citizens in this country but have been given all the comforts that a citizen who works hard gets.
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    They are the ones that are not citizens in this country but have been given all the comforts that a citizen who works hard gets.
    So you favor the government tracking everybody.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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