ICE Crackdown Puts Businesses and Families on Edge

[tod evans]

NOPE.

The prosperity is the only incentive they need and those engaged in evil enterprises like trafficking children for sex will certainly not stop because welfare ends.

They will keep coming for the prosperity and they will turn us communist.

I'm certainly not an 'open borders' guy............But!............I'm far more of an anti-government guy.

Get government out of the mix, completely, and your sex trafficking and cheap labor crap will undoubtedly sort itself out in under six months at a minimal cost to working Americans.

By ending the free-$#@! programs there are literally millions of Americans who will run off the foreign labor in order to feed and house their kids.

Communities will, by necessity, begin to rebuild themselves..........No choice without free-$#@!.

Strong communities make it much more difficult to hide human trafficking whether for sex or labor...

Government intervention has caused these problems...................More government isn't going to fix them!

[Swordsmyth]

I'm certainly not an 'open borders' guy............But!............I'm far more of an anti-government guy.

Get government out of the mix, completely, and your sex trafficking and cheap labor crap will undoubtedly sort itself out in under six months at a minimal cost to working Americans.

By ending the free-$#@! programs there are literally millions of Americans who will run off the foreign labor in order to feed and house their kids.

Communities will, by necessity, begin to rebuild themselves..........No choice without free-$#@!.

Strong communities make it much more difficult to hide human trafficking whether for sex or labor...

Government intervention has caused these problems...................More government isn't going to fix them!

The invaders will bring you government.
And the only non-government solution to the invaders is racial or cultural pogroms.

Mob rule is not conducive to liberty.

[tod evans]

The invaders will bring you government.
And the only non-government solution to the invaders is racial or cultural pogroms.

Mob rule is not conducive to liberty.

No you're sadly mistaken, misinformed and under-educated.

"Racial/cultural programs" are communities and they absolutely DO NOT require federal assistance, in fact they grow stronger and closer knit without it.

"The invaders" would have no where to light in a country of close knit communities without federal government protection.

More government is NEVER the answer to too much government. NEVER!

[Swordsmyth]

No you're sadly mistaken, misinformed and under-educated.

"Racial/cultural programs" are communities and they absolutely DO NOT require federal assistance, in fact they grow stronger and closer knit without it.

I didn't say "programs", I said "pogroms", a pogrom is a mob action where unwanted people are driven out of an area.

"The invaders" would have no where to light in a country of close knit communities without federal government protection.

Yes they would, they would settle anywhere they wanted and were allowed to and become part of the local community.
Then they would impose communism just like back home.

More government is NEVER the answer to too much government. NEVER!

Government where it belongs is part of the answer to government where it doesn't belong.

[tod evans]

I didn't say "programs", I said "pogroms", a pogrom is a mob action where unwanted people are driven out of an area.

My mistake........ Actually I'm good with communities driving out those who don't fit in.

Yes they would, they would settle anywhere they wanted and were allowed to and become part of the local community.
Then they would impose communism just like back home.

Baseless fear-mongering that I'll not be buying into.

Government where it belongs is part of the answer to government where it doesn't belong.

Hasn't worked yet, not even a smidgen....

[CCTelander]

They will keep coming for the prosperity and they will turn us communist.

Yes, I've heard that all immigrants possess the supernatural power to transform anyone they choose into a communist with their (the immigrants') icy commie stares. One glance and you're doomed to spend the rest of your life sporting a beret and Che tee shirt, shaking your fist in the air and shouting Marxist slogans till your throat is raw. It's unnerving to witness.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, I've heard that all immigrants possess the supernatural power to transform anyone they choose into a communist with their (the immigrants') icy commie stares. One glance and you're doomed to spend the rest of your life sporting a beret and Che tee shirt, shaking your fist in the air and shouting Marxist slogans till your throat is raw. It's unnerving to witness.

They come and they vote and they vote communist, then the communists they elect take over the schools and turn other people's children communist.
Eventually they kill anyone who isn't communist.

[Stratovarious]

My mistake........ Actually I'm good with communities driving out those who don't fit in.

...

Mob mentality , precious, why not call GS , rent a mob.

[Stratovarious]

They come and they vote and they vote communist, then the communists they elect take over the schools and turn other people's children communist.
Eventually they kill anyone who isn't communist.

It is true, I think you've observed this before, this forum has been hijacked by Globalist , socialist
bots.
This is why I keep suggesting we let the trolls fk themselves by not replying to their gibberish,
I know your argument, it's not a bad one, but I disagree, I've seen troll/bots dry up when the
audience tells them to fk off, by not feeding their paychecks.

[Swordsmyth]

It is true, I think you've observed this before, this forum has been hijacked by Globalist , socialist
bots.
This is why I keep suggesting we let the trolls fk themselves by not replying to their gibberish,
I know your argument, it's not a bad one, but I disagree, I've seen troll/bots dry up when the
audience tells them to fk off, by not feeding their paychecks.

I would try that but they were here and almost unanswered when I came.
The forum was either going to die or embrace their ideas.
They are winning the war for the LP and they would win here if nobody refuted them.

[oyarde]

I am always here to help . Let me tell you this . If ICE "cracking down " puts your business on edge you probably are not doing it right . Whats next ?

[Stratovarious]

I would try that but they were here and almost unanswered when I came.
The forum was either going to die or embrace their ideas.
They are winning the war for the LP and they would win here if nobody refuted them.

I get your point, I just disagree with it;
They win by drawing us in to engage, they get paid more, they gain an audience, if
we did not feed them, period, they would be gone in three months, but that would take
all of us patriots , not just me and one or two other Libertarian members, all.....

[tod evans]

Mob mentality , precious, why not call GS , rent a mob.

WTF is a GS?

And why would I want to rent a mob?

[Stratovarious]

My mistake........ Actually I'm good with communities driving out those who don't fit in.


....

WTF is a GS?

And why would I want to rent a mob?

George Soros is the 'WTF' /

[tod evans]

George Soros is the 'WTF' /

Well then $#@! off.

I can assure you that someone with your specialized knowledge of mobs-n-mobsters would be more adroit in that arena.

I on the other hand have chosen to live where even government with all her largess cannot get her dependents to take up residency...There is no need for mobs out here.

No amount of philological blather about how good and necessary government is so long as it's pushing your agenda will convince me that that power cannot be flipped and used against you.

I would remove that power, especially from the hands of the ilk who would work for a government.

[Swordsmyth]

Well then $#@! off.

I can assure you that someone with your specialized knowledge of mobs-n-mobsters would be more adroit in that arena.

I on the other hand have chosen to live where even government with all her largess cannot get her dependents to take up residency...There is no need for mobs out here.

No amount of philological blather about how good and necessary government is so long as it's pushing your agenda will convince me that that power cannot be flipped and used against you.

I would remove that power, especially from the hands of the ilk who would work for a government.

Good luck.

[tod evans]

Good luck.

It'll happen regardless of who does what, societies don't last.

As a group sharing this land mass we'd be collectively better off knowing how to be self sufficient and how to foster tight knit communities.

Government is not a "solution".......

[Stratovarious]

Well then $#@! off.

I can assure you that someone with your specialized knowledge of mobs-n-mobsters would be more adroit in that arena.

I on the other hand have chosen to live where even government with all her largess cannot get her dependents to take up residency...There is no need for mobs out here.

No amount of philological blather about how good and necessary government is so long as it's pushing your agenda will convince me that that power cannot be flipped and used against you.

I would remove that power, especially from the hands of the ilk who would work for a government.

You sanctioned Mob Mentality , hence my post, it's on you todd, I can't write your posts for you,
and you shouldn't get so WTF wildly crazed at my post, you're not normally a wack job, imv, so
chill dude. WTF WTF WTF.......

[Stratovarious]

It'll happen regardless of who does what, societies don't last.

As a group sharing this land mass we'd be collectively better off knowing how to be self sufficient and how to foster tight knit communities.

Government is not a "solution".......

Self sufficient at the lowest level , end of Grids, is best, you're on the right track
in this area.

[PAF]

I would try that but they were here and almost unanswered when I came.
The forum was either going to die or embrace their ideas.
They are winning the war for the LP and they would win here if nobody refuted them.

Yes, you came here to bring sound logic to the forum and rescue it and us. The all-knowing Swordsmyth, correcting Ron Paul and the rest of us in the errors of our ways.



Now I have heard it all

It would not occur to you that perhaps a number of the originals of this forum have figured out that working within the duopoly-system will never fix things, so they are working locally. Or something to that effect.

[Swordsmyth]

It'll happen regardless of who does what, societies don't last.

Perhaps but anarchy doesn't last at all.

As a group sharing this land mass we'd be collectively better off knowing how to be self sufficient and how to foster tight knit communities.

I won't argue that.

Government is not a "solution".......

There is no solution, limited government is the best treatment.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, you came here to bring sound logic to the forum and rescue it and us. The all-knowing Swordsmyth, correcting Ron Paul and the rest of us in the errors of our ways.



Now I have heard it all

It would not occur to you that perhaps a number of the originals of this forum have figured out that working within the duopoly-system will never fix things, so they are working locally. Or something to that effect.

Plenty of old timers support me and Ron's original position but they had been bludgeoned into silence by the ever so "tolerant" leftarians and anarchists, they tried to drive me away too but it didn't work.

[tod evans]

There is no solution, limited government is the best treatment.

Limited to the point where any 'subject' may approach his lord on a Sunday at the supper table.

Any more removed and it's too big.

[Swordsmyth]

Limited to the point where any 'subject' may approach his lord on a Sunday at the supper table.

Any more removed and it's too big.

The smaller the better.

But it must be big enough to keep its enemies from conquering it, what size that is can change.

[Stratovarious]

Ice puts drug pushers, rapists, murderers, gang bangers, on edge, ''Oh the humanity''

[Origanalist]

Yes, I've heard that all immigrants possess the supernatural power to transform anyone they choose into a communist with their (the immigrants') icy commie stares. One glance and you're doomed to spend the rest of your life sporting a beret and Che tee shirt, shaking your fist in the air and shouting Marxist slogans till your throat is raw. It's unnerving to witness.

[Origanalist]

I would try that but they were here and almost unanswered when I came.
The forum was either going to die or embrace their ideas.
They are winning the war for the LP and they would win here if nobody refuted them.

Ha ha ha ha, all hail our hero and savior Swordsmyth, without whom we would be sheep led to the slaughter.

This is beyond comical.

[tfurrh]

Those who are the loudest have the most to lose.

Swordsmyth
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[Swordsmyth]

Swordsmyth
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Posts: 47,464

Yes, I am very loud about the liberty I value highly that will be lost.

[tod evans]

Here's a fine example of federal courts and federal law being used to force a community to conform to their will;

From Drudge,

‘Keep the Hasidic Out’: A Small-Town Housing Showdown


https://dnyuz.com/2019/08/14/keep-th...sing-showdown/


In a peaceful corner of the Hudson Valley, a broad expanse of land sits at the ready for hundreds of homes ranging between 2,500 and 3,400 square feet, with views of the surrounding hills. There will be a recreation center and tennis courts, and nearly half of the development’s 117 acres will be kept as open space.

But if it were up to town officials, the houses would never be built. They openly fret about the size and density of the 431-unit development, the Greens at Chester, and even confess wariness about the likely intended home buyers: Hasidic Jews.

“There’s nobody on the board, there’s nobody that works in the town, there’s nobody that wants this development to go through,” Alexander Jamieson, the former town supervisor of Chester, said at a public meeting in May 2018. “There’s nobody.”

Town officials have repeatedly placed obstacles in the developers’ path since they bought the land in 2017: restrictions on the size of the houses they can build, delays on issuing building permits and a request to relocate the main road by 10 feet.

“We’re doing what we can to alleviate 432 Hasidic houses in the town of Chester,” Mr. Jamieson said at that heated town meeting.

“Every day,” chimed in Robert Valentine, the current town supervisor, who at that point was on the town board.

Angry residents at the meeting talked of how school taxes could rise, and public resources could be stretched in the town, about 60 miles north of New York City. They spoke of fears that the development would one day resemble Kiryas Joel, a Hasidic village about nine miles away that is overcrowded and has ranked among the poorest communities in the nation.

The developers, Greens at Chester, L.L.C., cite these statements and others in a federal lawsuit that accuses the town, Orange County and individual local officials of discrimination, contending that they assume that the home buyers will be Hasidic because some of the developers are.

The Orange County executive, Steven M. Neuhaus, a Chester resident and its former town supervisor, suggested delay tactics, including retesting the water and denying sewer permitting, at a meeting a month earlier, the lawsuit recounts.

“We can pressure the developer to either go commercial, which I think we should do, or we can buy it,” he said at an April 25 meeting, a video of which was posted online. “If you want to pay a little bit more to save the town, that might be an option.”

“I’m trying to slow things down because I don’t think the school district can handle it,” Mr. Neuhaus added. “I don’t think my town can handle it.”

The lawsuit, filed in July, asks for $100 million in damages for breach of contract and purported violations of fair housing and other anti-discrimination laws.

“If you show up to a public hearing, you can hear what the voters are saying, which is ‘keep the Hasidic out,’” said John Petroccione, the civil engineer who designed the project 25 years ago, and is working with the developers to complete it.

Mr. Petroccione said that the town has fought the proposed development since 1985, when the former farm was purchased by Wilbur Fried, a non-Hasidic developer. Mr. Fried also wanted to build hundreds of homes at the site.

Mr. Fried, 91, recalled in an interview how for 28 years, he fought off “not in my backyard” concerns about overdevelopment from Chester residents. He eventually sued the town in federal court. In 2010, he and the town settled, and the town granted him the right to build 431 homes there.

“I probably have the record for having the longest subdivision approval process in the State of New York,” Mr. Fried said.

But as the town slow-walked the approvals, the demographics in Orange County changed. A small community of Satmar Hasidim, who speak Yiddish and practice a form of charismatic Judaism that tries to limit modern influences, arrived in the area in the 1970s, seeking a peaceful place to raise their children away from increasingly crowded Brooklyn.

Their numbers grew steadily, in part, because of their typically large families. Kiryas Joel, a section of the Town of Monroe where they settled, now has 24,000 people and became its own town, Palm Tree, in January. Offshoot communities have been formed nearby in Blooming Grove, among other places in the county.

In 2017, Mr. Fried sold the lot in Chester with its court-won approvals for $12 million to the current developers. The city then granted permits to clear the land and build roads. But once town residents learned in 2018 that the new owners were Hasidic, town meetings were called and things came to a grinding halt, the lawsuit charges.

School costs are one major concern, residents said at town meetings. While Hasidic Jews typically attend their own religious schools, local districts in New York have to pay for a percentage of their busing costs and special education services.

The Chester school district, in a Q. and A., projected the development could raise school taxes in the town by between $92 and $524 per household, using an estimate that between 1,720 and 2,580 students would live at the Greens at Chester.

Last year, the Chester school district had a total of 993 students, according to state data.

**There are also political concerns. Hasidic Jews tend to vote in blocs, increasing their political leverage. The arrival of hundreds of new voters in a town of 12,000 has the possibility to remake the political balance in Chester, as it has in other towns, Mr. Jamieson said. The town recently voted to switch to a ward system of representation in preparation for a major demographic shift.

“There’s a lack of trust,” said Mary Laiks, who lived in Chester for many years and now lives in nearby Warwick.

The developers maintain that the entire conversation about having a Hasidic enclave in the town is discriminatory.

The Greens at Chester, they said, is not being built for Hasidic Jews. That, they say, is a biased inference based on their religious identity, and the fact that at least some of them live in Kiryas Joel and Brooklyn.

“We will sell to anybody who wants to buy,” said Livy Schwartz, one of the developers, as he stood with one of his business partners, Joseph Landau, at the development site in late July. Both are Hasidic Jews.

They underscored how the development will not consist of dense, multistory apartment buildings of the kind common in Kiryas Joel, but large attached and stand-alone houses they estimate will sell for around $500,000 each.

“They are worried about the big families,” said Chana, 40, a mother of nine children in Kiryas Joel on a recent Wednesday afternoon, explaining why she feels there is concern. “But there’s no invasion. We have bigger families, so we need more space for the children to play outside and have breathing space.”

Mr. Valentine, in an interview in his office at Town Hall in July, was unapologetic about his public comments, which included statements like: “If there was any way we could choose who could live there we would do it. But we can’t.”

He said the main issue holding up the building permits is that the town believes that the 2010 settlement limits the “typical” house in the subdivision to 1,750 to 2,500 square feet, including the garage.

“They want to get more than what they are entitled to,” Mr. Valentine said.

The developers said that limiting the size of homes has been used as a tactic elsewhere to reduce the appeal of developments to Hasidic buyers, and disagree that the settlement imposed a limit.

Mr. Jamieson, who resigned as town supervisor last September after pleading guilty to collecting unemployment while working in that role, also stood by his comments.

“It’s not anti-Semitic to say it’s going to be a Hasidic development,” he said in an interview near the site. “I’m just telling the truth.”

Justin Rodriguez, a spokesman for Mr. Neuhaus, the county executive, said that it appeared that the developers “are using litigation in an attempt to silence public officials from expressing the concerns of their constituents.” He added that the lawsuit against the county had no merit, “and we will vigorously oppose it.”

As the developers wait for the court to rule, they are continuing to build the infrastructure, costing them millions. The roads, curbs and water and sewer lines for the first 82 houses are nearly ready, spiraling up a hillside that has been denuded of trees.

Mr. Schwartz said he doesn’t want to send the bulldozers home, because according to another town ruling, the infrastructure must be ready before final building permits will be granted.

“This isn’t the American way,” Mr. Schwartz said. “It doesn’t matter if you are black, Hispanic, or Jewish. How you look shouldn’t be allowed to determine how you build and what you can build.”


** The same government that would force compliance on this community would bring in 'refugees' to settle your community.

Either you empower it or fight it because you don't get to pick and choose which edict government focuses on this week.