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    Jews against ICE

    In D.C., New York and beyond, Jews mark annual day of mourning by protesting Trump immigration policies



    Members of the Jewish community typically observe Tisha B’Av, the annual day of mourning, by fasting, reading from the book of lamentations and going to temple. But on Sunday, more than 250 Jews from the Washington region spent the day under the searing afternoon sun at Lafayette Square, across from the White House, protesting the Trump administration’s immigration policies.

    Some came in large groups from their synagogues, sporting matching T-shirts and signs that read “Never Again.” Others, like 87-year old Ann Ingram and her 59-year-old daughter, Julie Ingram, had never observed Tisha B’Av before, but felt compelled to mark the occasion for the first time this year.

    They were joined by thousands more across the country who attended similar protests in Los Angeles, Philadelphia and 60 other locations — the latest manifestations of a growing wave of activism among Jews opposed to the Trump administration’s immigration policies, which some argue are reminiscent of the way Jewish people have been treated in the past.

    In July, 10 Jewish demonstrators were arrested during a sit-in at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement headquarters in Southwest Washington. On Sunday, dozens of protesters in New York, including some rabbis, were arrested after conducting a prayer service outside the Amazon store in downtown Manhattan to protest what they argue is the tech company’s collaboration with ICE, organizers said.

    Authorities asked demonstrators to leave the store and threatened to arrest those who refused, said Sophie Ellman-Golan, a representative of Jews for Racial and Economic Justice, one of the organizing groups in New York. Around 5:30 p.m., a bus arrived to transport the 40 or so protesters who chose to stay in the store despite the risk of arrest, she added.

    “On this day, to take action against something like this feels particularly poignant,” Ellman-Golan said.







    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...f08_story.html
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    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
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    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

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    Amazon has bookstores?

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    Napolitano: The Feds Violate their Own Laws (and the Constitution) with Border Separations

    https://mises.org/wire/napolitano-fe...er-separations

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:

    The tone of the debate over the nation’s immigration laws has taken an ugly turn as some office-seekers offer solutions to problems that don’t exist.

    The natural rights of all persons consist of areas of human behavior for which we do not need and will not accept the need for a government permission slip.

    We all expect that the government will leave us alone when we think, speak, publish, worship, defend ourselves, enter our homes, choose our mates or travel. The list of natural rights is endless.

    We expect this not because we are Americans, but because we are persons and these rights are integral to our nature. We expect this in America because the Constitution was written to restrain the government from interfering with natural rights.

    When these first principles are violated to advance a political cause or to quell public fear, those whose rights are violated because of an immutable characteristic of birth, not because of personal culpability, become the victims of ugly public indifference or official government repression. The American history of government treatment of Africans and their offspring and the European history of government treatment of the Jewish people are poignant and terrible examples of this.

    Today, the potential victims of public indifference and government repression are Hispanics in America. Hispanics here without documentation are being demonized because of the politics of nativism. Nativism — we are exceptional; we are better people than they are; we were here first — is very dangerous and leads to ugly results.

    The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution underscore the truism that all persons have the same natural rights, irrespective of where their mothers were when they delivered them.


    The right to travel is a natural right, even though it was not until 1969 that the Supreme Court recognized it as such. The court protects natural rights
    by imposing a very high bar for the government to meet before it can interfere with them, absent due process.

    The high bar is called strict scrutiny. It requires that the government demonstrate an articulated area of jurisdiction and a compelling state interest served by the least restrictive alternative before it can treat a person differently or uniquely because of his or her place of birth. A compelling state interest is one that is necessary to preserve life or the state’s existence, and it must be addressed using the least force and causing the least interference with personal liberty possible.

    This test was written so as to give the government wiggle room in a crisis and to make it intentionally difficult — nearly impossible — to write laws that apply only to discrete groups when membership in them is determined by birth.

    But the Constitution itself — from which all federal powers derive — does not delegate to the federal government power over immigration, only over naturalization.

    Thus, when the government’s motivation for enacting immigration laws is to further genuine compelling foreign policy goals, the laws will be upheld. But when the government’s motivation is nativism or fear or hatred or favoritism, strict scrutiny will operate to defeat those laws.

    Shortly after the first federal immigration statute was enacted in the 1880s — the Chinese Exclusion Act — the Supreme Court ruled that aliens, whether here legally or illegally, are persons, and the Constitution protects all persons from governmental deprivation of life, liberty and property without due process.

    In the same era, the court held that all babies born here of alien mothers are citizens.

    The Fourteenth Amendment requires this, and its language is inclusive: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States…” Though written to protect former slaves, its language is not limited to them.

    Some well-intended folks have argued that the language “all persons” doesn’t really mean “all” because it is modified by “and subject to the jurisdiction (of the United States).” But that language refers to the offspring of mothers who, though here, are still subject to a foreign government — like foreign diplomats, agents or military. It does not refer to those fleeing foreign governments. It does not — and cannot — impose an intent requirement upon infants.

    My guess is that nearly “all persons” reading this are beneficiaries of this clause because they — you — were born here.

    When the history of our times is written, it might relate that the majority repressed the rights of minorities by demonizing them using appeals to group prejudice — by blaming entire ethnic groups for the criminal behavior of some few members of those groups.

    That history might reflect that this was done for short-term political gain.

    If that happens, it will have changed America far more radically and dangerously than any wave of undocumented immigrants did.

    And that would be profoundly and perhaps irreparably un-American.


    By Andrew P. Napolitano

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...-give-governm/
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Invaders are lucky they aren't shot and they don't and never have qualified for birthright citizenship.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    https://www.constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.htm

    The meaning of "Offenses against the Law of Nations"

    Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution for the United States delegates the power to Congress to "define and punish ... Offenses against the Law of Nations". It is important to understand what is and is not included in the term of art "law of nations", and not confuse it with "international law". They are not the same thing. The phrase "law of nations" is a direct translation of the Latin jus gentium, which means the underlying principles of right and justice among nations, and during the founding era was not considered the same as the "laws", that is, the body of treaties and conventions between nations, the jus inter gentes, which, combined with jus gentium, comprise the field of "international law". The distinction goes back to ancient Roman Law.

    Briefly, the Law of Nations at the point of ratification in 1788 included the following general elements, taken from Blackstone's Commentaries, and prosecution of those who might violate them:

    (1) No attacks on foreign nations, their citizens, or shipping, without either a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal.

    (2) Honoring of the flag of truce, peace treaties, and boundary treaties. No entry across national borders without permission of national authorities.

    (3) Protection of wrecked ships, their passengers and crew, and their cargo, from depredation by those who might find them.

    (4) Prosecution of piracy by whomever might be able to capture the pirates, even if those making the capture or their nations had not been victims.

    (5) Care and decent treatment of prisoners of war.

    (6) Protection of foreign embassies, ambassadors, and diplomats, and of foreign ships and their passengers, crew, and cargo while in domestic waters or in port.

    (7) Honoring of extradition treaties for criminals who committed crimes in a nation with whom one has such a treaty who escape to one's territory or are found on the high seas established with all nations in 1788,

    (8) Prohibition of enslavement of foreign nationals and international trading in slaves.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Jews against ICE . LOL , nobody cares . Jews live in big cities and vote democrat which is the racist , anti religion party .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Amazon has bookstores?
    When I first heard of them that is about all they did . That was before they went all into the cheap chineeseum net market .
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    When I first heard of them that is about all they did . That was before they went all into the cheap chineeseum net market .
    Yeah, I know they started out selling mainly books. But from the beginning it was only online. The OP is talking about a brick-and-mortar bookstore.

    Edit: This is new to me, but here's something on their website about their physical stores.
    https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=s9_acss...BooksLocations
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 08-12-2019 at 02:42 PM.

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    In before #Jews4ICE starts up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Yeah, I know they started out selling mainly books. But from the beginning it was only online. The OP is talking about a brick-and-mortar bookstore.

    Edit: This is new to me, but here's something on their website about their physical stores.
    https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=s9_acss...BooksLocations
    Learn something every day , I thought they were all out west and east , looks like there is one in Chicago.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In before #Jews4ICE starts up...
    We could watch them battle it out in the street, it could be epic.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

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    Jews against ICE America


    Fixed it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Apparently these jews don't want illegal immigrants out of the country.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Apparently these jews don't want illegal immigrants out of the country.
    They look sincerely concerned with those non-threatening, compliance optional, "You shall love the immigrant" signs.

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    So now some of the forum supports ICE.

    If democrats reject war overseas, should some of the forum therefore advocate for war overseas?




    Ron Paul talks about standing on principle. Such as Property Rights, End Welfare, End the Fed, elimination of 3-letter agencies. And here we are.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So now some of the forum supports ICE.

    If democrats reject war overseas, should some of the forum therefore advocate for war overseas?




    Ron Paul talks about standing on principle. Such as Property Rights, End Welfare, End the Fed, elimination of 3-letter agencies. And here we are.
    ICE is doing a legitimate job defending America from invasion as the Constitution mandates that the feds should do.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So now some of the forum supports ICE.

    If democrats reject war overseas, should some of the forum therefore advocate for war overseas?




    Ron Paul talks about standing on principle. Such as Property Rights, End Welfare, End the Fed, elimination of 3-letter agencies. And here we are.
    You should ask yourself how much progress has been made on these issues in the last 10 years before you ROLCON.

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    I think Israel needs to be more diverse and multiculturalism..
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 08-12-2019 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    I think Israel needs to be more diversity and multiculturalism..
    Also dick chopping optional. My body, my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    We could watch them battle it out in the street, it could be epic.
    I’d guess that the #Jews4ICE would have far superior weaponry.
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