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    Jeffrey Epstein: How conspiracy theories spread after financier's death

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49312746

    Just hours after the high-profile financier Jeffrey Epstein was found dead on Saturday, unsubstantiated theories about his death began to gain traction online.

    Epstein, who was set to stand trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, killed himself in his jail cell in New York. He was accused of running a "vast network" of underage girls for sex, and pleaded not guilty to the charges last month.

    The 66-year-old was known to court famous friends and acquaintances. President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton, and the UK's Prince Andrew all had ties to him. Some of his powerful associates have been embroiled in the allegations against him, which has only served to fuel the conspiracy theories and misinformation.

    Many rumours have centred on what politicians may have known about Epstein's alleged crimes and whether some may have wanted him dead. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this was the case. And yet, the hashtag #EpsteinMurder trended worldwide on Saturday.

    Joke images and memes - suggesting everything from a faked suicide to an orchestrated hit-job - were shared thousands of times throughout the day. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube were rife with unfounded theories about what may have happened to the financier.

    This wild speculation was not confined to a fringe minority - far from it. Politicians and high-profile journalists also stoked rampant speculation at a time when little information was publicly available.

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said it was "way too convenient" that Epstein could no longer incriminate others.

    "What a lot of us want to know is, what did he know?" he told reporters. "How many other millionaires and billionaires were part of the illegal activities that he was engaged in?"

    Questions like these alluded, without evidence, to a malevolent conspiracy and fed the feverish speculation on social media.

    Further rumours centred on how a man who was found semi-conscious and with injuries to his neck just weeks earlier was able to take his own life. Initial reports said Epstein was placed on suicide watch after that incident in July, which led many people to ask how he could have died while being so closely monitored.

    "What does the word watch mean in the phrase suicide watch?" tweeted President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giulani. "Who was watching?" He then said it was "inconceivable" Epstein could have taken his own life under those circumstances.

    But prison officials later said Epstein had actually been taken off suicide watch prior to his death. Conspiracy theories then began to focus on why this decision was made, rather than how he was able to take his own life.

    The speculation, as was the case throughout Saturday, appeared to shift and change with the few concrete details that were released.

    Perhaps the most far-fetched conspiracy theories were pegged to the hashtags #ClintonBodyCount and #TrumpBodyCount, which both trended on Twitter over the weekend.

    The first was primarily used by conservatives to suggest that former "first couple" Bill and Hillary Clinton were linked to Epstein's death. The latter, perhaps predictably, was used by liberals who speculated that Mr Trump was somehow involved. Neither side had any evidence to work with.

    The baseless theory of the Clinton's involvement harks back to a long-running conspiracy that originated in the 1990s and claims the couple secretly kill their enemies. This was roundly and methodically debunked at the time by the fact-checking website Snopes.

    "There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest an outside person ordered Epstein's death, and certainly no evidence whatsoever that Bill Clinton was that person," Dylan Matthews wrote in Vox this week.

    "[Mr Clinton] knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York," his spokesman, Angel Ureña, said.

    But Mr Trump was quick to pour fuel on the flames. He shared a tweet from Terrence Williams, a comedian and Trump supporter, that alleged Epstein "had information on Bill Clinton & now he's dead". There is no evidence to support this, but the tweet has since been shared more than 55,000 times.

    Other theories and tidbits of misinformation have been easier to disprove.

    For example, a photo that appeared to show Mr Trump kissing the head of his daughter, Ivanka, while standing next to Epstein has been exposed as a fake. "The 1993 photograph... has been manipulated to include Epstein," the Associated Press reported last month.

    Similarly, after Epstein's arrest on 6 July, some social media users shared a false claim that prosecutors had struck a secret plea deal with the financier under the administration of President Barack Obama in order to protect his fellow Democrat Mr Clinton. That theory resurfaced on Saturday.

    But the deal, which allowed Epstein to plead guilty to lesser charges, was actually finalised before Mr Obama took office under the administration of President George W, Bush. Labour Secretary Alex Acosta resigned over his role in the deal last month.

    Meanwhile, some politicians and journalists have urged people to exercise caution given the sheer quantity of misinformation online.

    "The immediate rush to spread conspiracy theories about someone on the 'other side' of [the] partisan divide illustrates why our society is so vulnerable to foreign disinformation," tweeted Republican Senator Marco Rubio.

    CNN presenter Jim Sciutto, reflecting on his time working in the Middle East, said: "Remember this is about... partisan politics. When I was [there]... folks didn't trust authorities so assumed a plot behind every event."
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    Just hours after the high-profile financier Jeffrey Epstein was found
    dead on Saturday, unsubstantiated theories FROM THE GOVT declared
    his death a suicide.

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    "The immediate rush to spread conspiracy theories about someone on the 'other side' of [the] partisan divide illustrates why our society is so vulnerable to foreign disinformation," tweeted Republican Senator Marco Rubio.
    Now we know who was involved in the conspiracy. How many parties did Mark Ruby attend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now we know who was involved in the conspiracy. How many parties did Mark Ruby attend?
    When I bumped up the DC madam thread, it reminded me Ted Cruz, in particular, was named.

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    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said it was "way too convenient" that Epstein could no longer incriminate others.

    "What a lot of us want to know is, what did he know?" he told reporters. "How many other millionaires and billionaires were part of the illegal activities that he was engaged in?"
    Outrageous! No one else was involved. It was just Epstein and some young ladies. Move along, nothing to see here.

    But prison officials later said Epstein had actually been taken off suicide watch prior to his death. Conspiracy theories then began to focus on why this decision was made, rather than how he was able to take his own life.
    Enough with these insane questions about why and who! Let the poor man Rest In Peace. Such inquiries will not bring him back. Crazy conspiracy talk.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now we know who was involved in the conspiracy. How many parties did Mark Ruby attend?
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    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep.

    Stephen Stills, "For What It's Worth"
    If you aren't paranoid you aren't paying attention.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you aren't paranoid you aren't paying attention.
    True, and even paranoids have enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan
    In Washington you can see them everywhere: the Parasites and baby Stalins sucking the life out of a once-great nation.

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    Caught in a Scandal? blame the Russians.
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 08-11-2019 at 06:33 PM.

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    Probably wouldn't be so many conspiracy theories had this high profile inmate, allegedly on suicide watch (until he wasn't... even though he allegedly tried to hang himself a week prior), didn't die in Federal custody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep.

    Stephen Stills, "For What It's Worth"
    "The issue's not whether you're paranoid, Lenny. I mean, look at this $#@!! The issue is whether you're paranoid enough."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "The issue's not whether you're paranoid, Lenny. I mean, look at this $#@!! The issue is whether you're paranoid enough."

    Max Peltier, Strange Days
    Paranoia is a survival trait.
    Organisms that are not paranoid enough die, organisms that are too paranoid live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Paranoia is a survival trait.
    Organisms that are not paranoid enough die, organisms that are too paranoid live.
    Organisms that are "too" paranoid probably also reduce their survival chances.

    That is, after all, what is connoted by the word "too." "Not enough" and "too much" are both dysfunctional.

    As with so many other things, there's an optimal "Goldilocks" level of paranoia ... (Max Peltier redux ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Organisms that are "too" paranoid probably also reduce their survival chances.

    That is, after all, what is connoted by the word "too." "Not enough" and "too much" are both dysfunctional.

    As with so many other things, there's an optimal "Goldilocks" level of paranoia ... (Max Peltier redux ...)
    There is a threshold where that is true but it is further from perfect paranoia than the deadly level of not enough is.
    Organisms that are too paranoid by just a little bit will lose some opportunities and suffer stress but they won't die.
    Organisms that aren't paranoid enough by more than a hair will die.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is a threshold where that is true but it is further from perfect paranoia than the deadly level of not enough is.
    Organisms that are too paranoid by just a little bit will lose some opportunities and suffer stress but they won't die.
    Organisms that aren't paranoid enough by more than a hair will die.
    That is an overstatement.

    Organisms that aren't "X enough" by "more than a hair" (whatever that means) are by that margin more likely to be exposed to possibly deleterious or unsalubrious circumstances. It does not in any way mean that they are certain to die as a result. Neither are those which are "too X" by "just a little bit" (whatever that amounts to) assured of survival.

    There's a reason it's called a "Bell curve" and not a "Bell cliff" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That is an overstatement.

    Organisms that aren't "X enough" by "more than a hair" (whatever that means) are by that margin more likely to be exposed to possibly deleterious or unsalubrious circumstances. It does not in any way mean that they are certain to die as a result. Neither are those which are "too X" by "just a little bit" (whatever that amounts to) assured of survival.

    There's a reason it's called a "Bell curve" and not a "Bell cliff" ...
    I understand that, I may be sounding like I think it is more dramatic than it is.
    But the curve isn't perfectly symmetrical in the case of paranoia, paranoid organisms will have some degree of advantage over organisms that are un-paranoid to the same degree.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I understand that, I may be sounding like I think it is more dramatic than it is.
    But the curve isn't perfectly symmetrical in the case of paranoia [...]
    Whatever its symmetry, it would still be a Gaussian distribution without discontinuous "cliffs."

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    [...] paranoid organisms will have some degree of advantage over organisms that are un-paranoid to the same degree.
    Perhaps under some conditions. But that cannot be demonstrated as a general rule. Different circumstances will produce different distributions.

    Under relatively benign circumstances, excessive paranoia might well be "punished" more harshly than insufficient paranoia.

    In any case, my point was just that the construct "too paranoid" necessarily connotes some degree of dysfunction and sub-optimality - otherwise it would correctly be described as "paranoid enough," rather than as "too paranoid." (Indeed, it explicitly denotes it as well, given that the word "too" in this context means "excessively" or "in an amount more than is necessary or needful.")
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-12-2019 at 01:49 AM.

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    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    The govt media is bending over backwards to make this a partisan issue.

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    CDC: People With Dirt On Clintons Have 843% Greater Risk Of Suicide



    ATLANTA, GA – According to a report from the Centers for Disease Control released on Thursday, people with inside, compromising knowledge of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s financial and political dealings are 843% more likely to commit suicide.



    “We’ve never seen a single risk factor cause a spike of this magnitude,” a CDC spokesperson told reporters. “Interestingly, in spite of their increased suicide risk, people with dirt on the Clintons rarely show any warning signs of suicide, and they never leave a suicide note.”
    Remarking about how abnormal it is, the spokesman again stressed the significance of the data.

    “Therefore, we advise any American with detrimental information about Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, or the Clinton Foundation to forget about it as quickly as possible to avoid a greatly increased probability of taking your own life,” he cautioned.

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    Is the Epstein new mexico ranch going up for sale now ?
    Do something Danke

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    Has anyone seen a video of Jeffery speaking? It seems that only lawyers are speaking for him. Post it please if you know of one.

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    People can agree or disagree on conspiracy - he's alive, he's dead, there was a body double, an inflatable doll... whatever.

    Whats irrefutable is that there were deliberate actions to effectively obstruct justice, and get Epstein out of the equation. Nested failures of this magnitude are not coincidence - especially when looking at protocol adherence everywhere else in that system. High profile situations, in every other regard, demand more precision and attention - which has been the opposite of what has happened here - that is no accident:

    - Taken off suicide watch, despite an unexplained attempt of suicide, which left marks on Epstein's neck

    - Cell mate removed, for no known reason

    - The prisoner when unmonitored for hours - no survellance - one somebody who has seriously incriminating evidence on so many high power individuals

    What about surveillance cameras - who came and went the whole day? What was the precise timeline and everyone's whereabouts? Why is the autopsy running on, and deemed inconclusive at this moment? What about the other coincidental death(s) that have occurred since?

    The media is trying their best to shift attention from this event, and focus on "conspiracy theory" - as if to dissipate or divert attention. Some significant players in the media are also so very quick to dismiss anything beyond suicide, which really makes one question their involvement here.

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    According to James Corbett, someting is wrong with the “mainstream media” that claim that “the worst part” about the exposure of Jeffrey Epstein’s child sex trafficking case is that it bolsters “conspiracy theories” about child sex trafficking and elite corruption.
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