Ron Paul's immigration position from 2007

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26

"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007



http://archive.is/HW9aj

MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.
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@Bryan or @Brian4Liberty, this should be a sticky thread.
Ron may have changed some positions and he has a right to but it's not fair to allow the leftarians and anarcho-libertarians lie about what his position was constantly and accuse those who believed in his original position of not belonging here or being "evil statists".

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Excellent! Glad to see this have its own thread

[Swordsmyth]

And that's the position most of his voters believed in and supported.


We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

Let's see the anarcho-Libertarians and leftarians spin those.

[Swordsmyth]

Excellent! Glad to see this have its own thread

Anyone who agrees should use the report feature to ask that this be made a sticky thread.

[Sammy]

This Thread will trigger the open borders Libertarians

[donnay]

Great thread! Thanks for posting.

[PAF]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

[Sammy]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

But Ron Paul opposes the birthright citizenship,welfare for immigrants & he doesn't like open borders.

[PAF]

But Ron Paul opposes the birthright citizenship

Me too.

But Ron Paul opposes welfare for immigrants

Me too.

& he doesn't like open borders.

Hmmm.... watch the entire videos, not just selective portions.

[Swordsmyth]

Me too.



Me too.



Hmmm.... watch the entire videos, not just selective portions.

We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[Swordsmyth]

Bump

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26

We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[PAF]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

[Swordsmyth]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

You miss the entire point of this thread.

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere, this thread is to prove that those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".

[PAF]

You miss the entire point of this thread.

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere, this thread is to prove that those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".

When one advocates DHS, ICE, Walls (ALL of which GROWS the FED), Papers Please documentation, send them back otherwise shoot to kill, we can beef it out right here in this thread.

You argue for a political statement from 2007 when he was running against a crap load of neocons, yet REJECT his consistent 8-year position from 2011 to current. Perhaps Ron understands that growing the FED is NOT in our best interest, and also understands the ramifications of a Wall and Police State lobbyists.

Ron advocates peaceful solutions, Ending Welfare/Incentives, allowing one to work to earn a living without government permission slips. I am pretty confident that Ron would agree with the Judge in this matter, and vice versa.

The natural rights of all persons consist of areas of human behavior for which we do not need and will not accept the need for a government permission slip.

We all expect that the government will leave us alone when we think, speak, publish, worship, defend ourselves, enter our homes, choose our mates or travel. The list of natural rights is endless.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...on-and-Freedom

[Swordsmyth]

When one advocates DHS, ICE, Walls (ALL of which GROWS the FED), Papers Please documentation, send them back otherwise shoot to kill, we can beef it out right here in this thread.

You argue for a political statement from 2007 when he was running against a crap load of neocons, yet REJECT his consistent 8-year position from 2011 to current. Perhaps Ron understands that growing the FED is NOT in our best interest, and also understands the ramifications of a Wall and Police State lobbyists.

Ron advocates peaceful solutions, Ending Welfare/Incentives, allowing one to work to earn a living without government permission slips. I am pretty confident that Ron would agree with the Judge in this matter, and vice versa.

I'm not going to oblige you in this thread.

Those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".


Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26





We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[PAF]

Wow. All bold. Impressive.

I will stand on principle, and the RonPaulLibertyReport ;-)

[invisible]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

[Ender]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

[Swordsmyth]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

I oppose biometrics adn the police state but it's not a concentration camp if you can go home any time you want and the wall may not be the best solution but it is what we can get right now.

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

We must do both but that isn't enough and you will never do it while the borders are wide open.

[dannno]

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere

I don't think Ron Paul ever really changed his position on anything, maybe I'm wrong.

I think he was always for securing the border, he just doesn't like the idea of doing it with a physical wall. He wanted to secure it using the troops from our overseas wars, temporarily, until we can make immigration reforms including no more welfare for illegals. If we ended welfare and the war on drugs, there wouldn't be a whole lot of need to secure the border.

The problem is that it is unlikely we are going to get rid of the welfare state or end the drug war any time soon and we still have troops overseas. I guess we could bring the troops home and let them secure the border, but it seems like a wall makes more sense.. even though in principle the idea from a libertarian standpoint is kinda $#@!ty, but we don't have a libertarian society.

[dannno]

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.

[Ender]

You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.

The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.

[dannno]

The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.

You just said you wanted to get rid of entitlements for illegals, that includes states getting rid of entitlements for illegals as well. Otherwise the Fed Govt. is going to have to protect the borders.

[invisible]

I oppose biometrics adn the police state but it's not a concentration camp if you can go home any time you want and the wall may not be the best solution but it is what we can get right now.

What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.

[timosman]

What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.

[nikcers]

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp,

www.aocforums.com

[invisible]

www.aocforums.com

If you are somehow attempting to claim that it is conservative to waste our tax dollars on abusing people in concentration camps, then that would be nothing less than direct opposition to Ron Paul.

[Ender]

You just said you wanted to get rid of entitlements for illegals, that includes states getting rid of entitlements for illegals as well. Otherwise the Fed Govt. is going to have to protect the borders.

States may do as they wish- the Fed Gov has NO business in any welfare programs.

All charity should be local.

[Ender]

What a ball of contradictory weasel words, lol. The first claim is inherently at odds with the weak attempt at refutation. That a refutation of any sort was even attempted is nothing short of yet more direct opposition to Ron Paul. If you supposedly oppose biometrics and trump's expansion of the big government police state, then you would denounce your Authoritarian Idol for it, tell everyone how wrong he is for it, and actually oppose him for it. Instead, you go on repeatedly telling everyone how wonderful trump's immigration policy is. Otherwise, your weak claim of opposition to biometrics and the police state is completely meaningless. Put up, or shut up.

Next we have the ludicrous claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp, and that the people being held and abused in them can just leave anytime. What do you call them, then? Jails? "Detention centers"? No matter what euphemism you want to attempt to whitewash what they really are, any description of the conditions in these places, and the abuse of those being held, shows them to be far worse than any jail, there is absolutely no question that they are nothing less than concentration camps. Your claim that those being held there can just leave anytime is laughable, these places would be empty if that were true, and those locked doors, gates, and barbed wire fences must just be there for decoration. By definition, a concentration camp, jail, or "detention center" is designed to keep people from leaving it. Instead of simply deporting illegal immigrants quickly; building, maintaining, and staffing these places, abusing and feeding those held there, is all being paid for by our tax dollars. You claim to oppose the police state, yet rather than voice one word of opposition to trump doing this, you attempt to claim that a concentration camp is not a concentration camp and that those being held there can leave anytime they want.

You voice no opposition whatsoever to the "papers, please" mentality or spying on people under the guise of trump's immigration policy. You voice no actual opposition to walling our country in, instead you actually condone it, in direct opposition to Ron Paul. Your attempted propaganda argument that trump's immigration policy = Ron Paul's immigration policy falls completely flat.

Ya think?

[nikcers]

If you are somehow attempting to claim that it is conservative to waste our tax dollars on abusing people in concentration camps, then that would be nothing less than direct opposition to Ron Paul.

One of my friends got killed by an illegal alien, They ran him over in a van while he was riding his motorcyle and the fake news covered it up. He left a wife and a little baby to fend for themself becaause he was the breadwinner. If just one person's life here is saved than its worth it to me.