Ron Paul's immigration position from 2007

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26

"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007



http://archive.is/HW9aj

MR. RUSSERT: You say you're a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be U.S. citizens.REP. PAUL: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What's a--what's the contradiction there?
MR. RUSSERT: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?
REP. PAUL: Well, that's constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn't in the original Constitution. And there's a, there's a confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it's still confusing because people--individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they're under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it's awfully, awfully confusing, and, and I, I--matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.
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@Bryan or @Brian4Liberty, this should be a sticky thread.
Ron may have changed some positions and he has a right to but it's not fair to allow the leftarians and anarcho-libertarians lie about what his position was constantly and accuse those who believed in his original position of not belonging here or being "evil statists".

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Excellent! Glad to see this have its own thread

[Swordsmyth]

Excellent! Glad to see this have its own thread

Anyone who agrees should use the report feature to ask that this be made a sticky thread.

[Swordsmyth]

And that's the position most of his voters believed in and supported.


We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

Let's see the anarcho-Libertarians and leftarians spin those.

[Sammy]

This Thread will trigger the open borders Libertarians

[donnay]

Great thread! Thanks for posting.

[PAF]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
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Jan 8, 2019

[Sammy]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

But Ron Paul opposes the birthright citizenship,welfare for immigrants & he doesn't like open borders.

[PAF]

But Ron Paul opposes the birthright citizenship

Me too.

But Ron Paul opposes welfare for immigrants

Me too.

& he doesn't like open borders.

Hmmm.... watch the entire videos, not just selective portions.

[Swordsmyth]

Me too.



Me too.



Hmmm.... watch the entire videos, not just selective portions.

We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[Swordsmyth]

Bump

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26

We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[PAF]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

[Swordsmyth]

Sep 7, 2011




Apr 20, 2017
At 3:45 mark




Jan 8, 2019

You miss the entire point of this thread.

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere, this thread is to prove that those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".

[PAF]

You miss the entire point of this thread.

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere, this thread is to prove that those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".

When one advocates DHS, ICE, Walls (ALL of which GROWS the FED), Papers Please documentation, send them back otherwise shoot to kill, we can beef it out right here in this thread.

You argue for a political statement from 2007 when he was running against a crap load of neocons, yet REJECT his consistent 8-year position from 2011 to current. Perhaps Ron understands that growing the FED is NOT in our best interest, and also understands the ramifications of a Wall and Police State lobbyists.

Ron advocates peaceful solutions, Ending Welfare/Incentives, allowing one to work to earn a living without government permission slips. I am pretty confident that Ron would agree with the Judge in this matter, and vice versa.

The natural rights of all persons consist of areas of human behavior for which we do not need and will not accept the need for a government permission slip.

We all expect that the government will leave us alone when we think, speak, publish, worship, defend ourselves, enter our homes, choose our mates or travel. The list of natural rights is endless.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...on-and-Freedom

[Swordsmyth]

When one advocates DHS, ICE, Walls (ALL of which GROWS the FED), Papers Please documentation, send them back otherwise shoot to kill, we can beef it out right here in this thread.

You argue for a political statement from 2007 when he was running against a crap load of neocons, yet REJECT his consistent 8-year position from 2011 to current. Perhaps Ron understands that growing the FED is NOT in our best interest, and also understands the ramifications of a Wall and Police State lobbyists.

Ron advocates peaceful solutions, Ending Welfare/Incentives, allowing one to work to earn a living without government permission slips. I am pretty confident that Ron would agree with the Judge in this matter, and vice versa.

I'm not going to oblige you in this thread.

Those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".


Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26





We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[Anti Federalist]

You argue for a political statement from 2007 when he was running against a crap load of neocons

So, Ron Paul was full of $#@! and lying to us all in 2007.

[Swordsmyth]

So, Ron Paul was full of $#@! and lying to us all in 2007.

That's what we are to believe. (according to some people)

And anyone who agrees with his public position from when we supported him back then is to be driven from the site.

[dannno]

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere

I don't think Ron Paul ever really changed his position on anything, maybe I'm wrong.

I think he was always for securing the border, he just doesn't like the idea of doing it with a physical wall. He wanted to secure it using the troops from our overseas wars, temporarily, until we can make immigration reforms including no more welfare for illegals. If we ended welfare and the war on drugs, there wouldn't be a whole lot of need to secure the border.

The problem is that it is unlikely we are going to get rid of the welfare state or end the drug war any time soon and we still have troops overseas. I guess we could bring the troops home and let them secure the border, but it seems like a wall makes more sense.. even though in principle the idea from a libertarian standpoint is kinda $#@!ty, but we don't have a libertarian society.

[jmdrake]

You miss the entire point of this thread.

We can argue about whether Ron was right to change his position elsewhere, this thread is to prove that those of us who still hold Ron's old position are NOT "evil statists who don't belong on Ron Paul Forums".

You said yourself that you don't support a border wall...except for when you do.

[Swordsmyth]

You said yourself that you don't support a border wall...except for when you do.

I said I would do something else if I had the power but I accept it as the best we can get.
It's very similar to Ron's position when he voted for the Secure Fence Act even though he didn't want the wall because it had other border security provisions that were needed.

[Swordsmyth]

Originally Posted by invisible

It would be dishonest to leave out the rest of it, so I will kindly provide the part that's missing:

And of course, we can't forget the rest of Ron Paul's positions that also apply:
*No government spying
*No "papers, please" mentality

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

Originally Posted by invisible

*No walling our country in

He may oppose the wall now but that is irrelevant to his position in 2007, he voted for the secure fence act.

Originally Posted by invisible

*Let anyone come here and work, without the benefits of citizenship

The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

Originally Posted by invisible

It is important to keep these policies in mind, as they differ significantly from trump's policies:
*Expanded police state and "papers, please" mentality

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

Originally Posted by invisible

*Attempting to wall our country in

Hype.
And Ron voted for the Secure Fence act whether he changed his mind later or not.

Originally Posted by invisible

*No significant attempts to end welfare

WRONG.

Originally Posted by invisible

*Abuse of immigrants held in concentration camps

LIES.

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26





"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007




We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

[tfurrh]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  
• Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  
• No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  
• No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  
• End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  
• Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

http://archive.is/XoV0h#selection-311.1-349.26





"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007




We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

I was a volunteer worker for the 2012 campaign. I spend several weeks in IA & NH doing in house polling and gotv work once we'd identified supporters. We'd survey voters with a survey set up to both 1) see who they were supporting 2) find out their top issues. We'd then mail pamphlets to them stating Ron's positions on the issue they said was most crucial to them.

These pamphlets were designed to be somewhat vague. The literature was simplified, bullet-pointed, and designed to be broadly interpreted so that it could mean different things to different people but without being disloyal to Paul's actual viewpoint. Politics, right?

This post you keep bumping looks much like the 2012 one we'd mail out of the caller said his most important issue was immigration. I know it was on his 2008 campaign website from your link, but I'm sure its presentation was designed with the same intention.

You and I have different viewpoints on immigration. You read that, and cheer that RP's viewpoint backs what you think. I read that and I too think RP's viewpoint backs what I think. It's designed that way. It's called electioneering, campaigning etc...

[PAF]

Wow. All bold. Impressive.

I will stand on principle, and the RonPaulLibertyReport ;-)

[invisible]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

[Ender]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

[Swordsmyth]

Anyone who genuinely supports Ron Paul and his immigration policy would denounce trump for his spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. Otherwise, it's just more shylling for the big government police state.

I oppose biometrics adn the police state but it's not a concentration camp if you can go home any time you want and the wall may not be the best solution but it is what we can get right now.

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

We must do both but that isn't enough and you will never do it while the borders are wide open.

[dannno]

But....but..... the simple solution of stopping entitlements is soooo hard!

You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.

[Ender]

You think it will be easy to tell everybody that children of illegal aliens can't go to public school here anymore?

I'm not sure what reality you are in. That is going to be extremely difficult to pull off.

The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.

[dannno]

The Fed Gov has no business in education & that should up to local municipalities.

You just said you wanted to get rid of entitlements for illegals, that includes states getting rid of entitlements for illegals as well. Otherwise the Fed Govt. is going to have to protect the borders.