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    Exclamation CA-UC prof: ALL Trump supporters are racist white nationalist terrorists & must be eradicated

    Keep pushing, $#@!.

    You haven't seen mayhem yet.



    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13533
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Keep pushing, $#@!.

    You haven't seen mayhem yet.



    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13533
    That is not what he said, he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated. The same way you can eradicate the KKK without killing white Klans people, you can do the same for white supremacists. Not saying that I agree with anything this guy is saying just pointing out that you are misrepresenting what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is not what he said, he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated. The same way you can eradicate the KKK without killing white Klans people, you can do the same for white supremacists. Not saying that I agree with anything this guy is saying just pointing out that you are misrepresenting what he said.
    Splitting hair bull$#@!.

    This guy meant exactly what he said.

    His supporters are white terrorists and they are a scourge to be ERADICATED.

    And he teaches kids, every day.
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    "By definition" -- A racist is someone who disagrees with a democrat. <- He means that definition, right?




    I have to laugh at all those morons - its not like trump has set the bar that high. "Racist" is all they got I guess.

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    And never forget, those of you, who, like me are lukewarm toward the Drunken Monkey, at best and voted for Ron Paul:

    Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.

    There's a $#@!ing fight coming and it's coming soon.

    Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-libertarians/

    The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul

    That’s not quite true, though. Trump’s style and positions — endorsing and consorting with 9/11 truthers, promoting online racists, using fake statistics — draw on a now-obscure political strategy called “paleolibertarianism,” which was once quite popular among some Republicans, especially former presidential candidate Ron Paul.

    Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.

    Mainstream libertarians have been agonizing over this legacy among themselves for some time, hoping that either the elder or younger Paul would definitively denounce the movement’s racialist past, but no such speech has ever come. Instead, the paleolibertarian strategy concocted decades ago as a way to push for minimal government threatens to replace right-wing libertarianism with white nationalism.

    And on and on and on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Splitting hair bull$#@!.

    This guy meant exactly what he said.

    His supporters are white terrorists and they are a scourge to be ERADICATED.

    And he teaches kids, every day.
    Oh yeah. They want a fight. They WANT bloodshed.

    Rep. Juan Castro on twitter just outed Trump donors and the names of their employers. If this isn't political terrorism I can't think of what might be.

    Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump — the owner of ⁦@BillMillerBarBQ⁩, owner of the ⁦@HistoricPearl, realtor Phyllis Browning, etc⁩.

    Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’ pic.twitter.com/YT85IBF19u

    — Joaquin Castro (@Castro4Congress) August 6, 2019
    “Sad to see so so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump,” the congressman wrote, proceeding to name local businesses whose owners gave the maximum to Trump’s campaign. Eleven of the 44 donors shown in Rep. Castro’s post listed their employment as “retired.”

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/j...GEh2EJUuiVDLtg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And never forget, those of you, who, like me are lukewarm toward the Drunken Monkey, at best and voted for Ron Paul:

    Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.

    There's a $#@!ing fight coming and it's coming soon.

    Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-libertarians/

    The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul

    That’s not quite true, though. Trump’s style and positions — endorsing and consorting with 9/11 truthers, promoting online racists, using fake statistics — draw on a now-obscure political strategy called “paleolibertarianism,” which was once quite popular among some Republicans, especially former presidential candidate Ron Paul.

    Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.

    Mainstream libertarians have been agonizing over this legacy among themselves for some time, hoping that either the elder or younger Paul would definitively denounce the movement’s racialist past, but no such speech has ever come. Instead, the paleolibertarian strategy concocted decades ago as a way to push for minimal government threatens to replace right-wing libertarianism with white nationalism.

    And on and on and on...
    Its not surprising that the MSM would love to use Trump tomfoolery to smear Ron Paul. We on this site tolerated for years people who went around claiming Trump would bring about/supported Ron Paul dream for America. Some of us complained but the now majority on this site joined along or said nothing, now you complain when the MSM does the same thing. The truth has always been that Trump was against Ron Paul and his agenda, he threatened to run for president if Ron Paul won the nomination, he financed people like Pelosi, Shummer and Clinton while Ron Paul fought those guys. He pays lip service to ending illegal immigration while he destabilizes regions to produce migrants, ending the FED, ending birth right citizenship, non interventionism etc but in reality supporter the worst of the globalists and neocon agenda.

    I somewhat agree with the professor, Trump and his supporters are a scourge but I will add the supporters of Obama, Bush, Clinton etc along with the list. Their agenda and ideology needs to be eradicated asap.

    There is a guy on youtube called Adam Green who has been calling out the Trump deception. I knew this before I started watching him but if you watch him, you would understand the scam that he is running.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Rep. Juan Castro on twitter just outed Trump donors and the names of their employers. If this isn't political terrorism I can't think of what might be.
    Its not much of an "outed" since that is all public record. He is just taking public information and handfeeding it to the mouthbreathers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And never forget, those of you, who, like me are lukewarm toward the Drunken Monkey, at best and voted for Ron Paul:

    Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.

    There's a $#@!ing fight coming and it's coming soon.

    Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-libertarians/

    The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul

    That’s not quite true, though. Trump’s style and positions — endorsing and consorting with 9/11 truthers, promoting online racists, using fake statistics — draw on a now-obscure political strategy called “paleolibertarianism,” which was once quite popular among some Republicans, especially former presidential candidate Ron Paul.

    Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.

    Mainstream libertarians have been agonizing over this legacy among themselves for some time, hoping that either the elder or younger Paul would definitively denounce the movement’s racialist past, but no such speech has ever come. Instead, the paleolibertarian strategy concocted decades ago as a way to push for minimal government threatens to replace right-wing libertarianism with white nationalism.

    And on and on and on...
    More lies from the Washington Neocon Post. But there is a seed of truth:

    Libertarianism, he argued, was nothing more than a restatement of the beliefs of the “Old Right,” which resolutely opposed the New Deal and any sort of foreign intervention in the early 20th century.
    The number one priority of neocons and Trotskyites is intervention. This is why they disagree with libertarians. The smear of racism is a misdirection. It’s a trick. It’s a lie.

    Want proof? They despise Tulsi Gabbard just as much as they ever disliked a Paul or a Trump. Is Gabbard a racist? They would use that smear if they could get away with it, and they may use it yet! Their propaganda has gone far beyond absurd, so there is almost no falsehood that they wouldn’t put out there with a straight face.

    They don’t like, and are sabotaging Gabbard because she professes to oppose foreign interventionism. That is the real issue. But if anything, the neoconservatives are adept at misdirection, smears and lies. So that truth will always be obscured. Instead, they will smear someone as a racist or puppet of certain foreign powers, as they have smeared Gabbard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And never forget, those of you, who, like me are lukewarm toward the Drunken Monkey, at best and voted for Ron Paul:

    Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.

    There's a $#@!ing fight coming and it's coming soon.

    Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-libertarians/

    The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul

    That’s not quite true, though. Trump’s style and positions — endorsing and consorting with 9/11 truthers, promoting online racists, using fake statistics — draw on a now-obscure political strategy called “paleolibertarianism,” which was once quite popular among some Republicans, especially former presidential candidate Ron Paul.

    Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.

    Mainstream libertarians have been agonizing over this legacy among themselves for some time, hoping that either the elder or younger Paul would definitively denounce the movement’s racialist past, but no such speech has ever come. Instead, the paleolibertarian strategy concocted decades ago as a way to push for minimal government threatens to replace right-wing libertarianism with white nationalism.

    And on and on and on...
    And people look at me funny when I tell them none of this surprises me ,because it started in 2007....

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Its not much of an "outed" since that is all public record. He is just taking public information and handfeeding it to the mouthbreathers.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is not what he said, he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated. The same way you can eradicate the KKK without killing white Klans people, you can do the same for white supremacists. Not saying that I agree with anything this guy is saying just pointing out that you are misrepresenting what he said.
    That would be the absolutely most generous reading of that tweet possible. And you have twisted it too far from what was meant by any unbiased reading of that tweet.

    Edit: “ALL OF THEM”? Seriously? Sorry that eliminates any doubt as to what he was saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Splitting hair bull$#@!.

    This guy meant exactly what he said.

    His supporters are white terrorists and they are a scourge to be ERADICATED.

    And he teaches kids, every day.
    That is most likely what he was inferring, but no doubt he was prepared to weasel out of that by saying he was only talking about the KKK, which is nonsense.
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    So hes calling for genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Oh yeah. They want a fight. They WANT bloodshed.

    Rep. Juan Castro on twitter just outed Trump donors and the names of their employers. If this isn't political terrorism I can't think of what might be.



    “Sad to see so so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump,” the congressman wrote, proceeding to name local businesses whose owners gave the maximum to Trump’s campaign. Eleven of the 44 donors shown in Rep. Castro’s post listed their employment as “retired.”

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/j...GEh2EJUuiVDLtg
    I want someone to ask him, on camera and live, what exactly is the intent behind him publishing those names like that, and if he intends to take full responsibility for any attacks that occur on any of those people, as his comment of it being "sad to see" and that "their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate...", most certainly seems to imply that supporting the President = you're doing something wrong.

    And we all know wrongdoers must be punished...

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    There is a guy on youtube called Adam Green who has been calling out the Trump deception. I knew this before I started watching him but if you watch him, you would understand the scam that he is running.
    I'm not defending Trump.

    The point I'm making is this Jacobin professor will have no problem extending his desire to see Trump supporters eradicated, to ALL freedom folks, even if they despise Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    So hes calling for genocide.
    Yes.

    And this is not the first or only time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Its not much of an "outed" since that is all public record. He is just taking public information and handfeeding it to the mouthbreathers.
    I wonder if anybody will get their house burned down?
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Keep pushing, $#@!.

    You haven't seen mayhem yet.



    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13533


    I see where he's going with this, he's declaring that he is a pedophile, and that all liberals are
    pedos, rapists, thieves, and murderers , and should all be eradicated from society.

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    Now imagine if Trump, instead of saying “there are (or they’re) murders, rapists and drug dealers” Trump had said: “Illegal immigrants - ALL OF THEM - are murders and rapists”, who would be defending Trump?
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Oh yeah. They want a fight. They WANT bloodshed.

    Rep. Juan Castro on twitter just outed Trump donors and the names of their employers. If this isn't political terrorism I can't think of what might be.



    “Sad to see so so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump,” the congressman wrote, proceeding to name local businesses whose owners gave the maximum to Trump’s campaign. Eleven of the 44 donors shown in Rep. Castro’s post listed their employment as “retired.”

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/06/j...GEh2EJUuiVDLtg
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Its not much of an "outed" since that is all public record. He is just taking public information and handfeeding it to the mouthbreathers.
    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieInColorado View Post
    I want someone to ask him, on camera and live, what exactly is the intent behind him publishing those names like that, and if he intends to take full responsibility for any attacks that occur on any of those people, as his comment of it being "sad to see" and that "their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate...", most certainly seems to imply that supporting the President = you're doing something wrong.

    And we all know wrongdoers must be punished...
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I wonder if anybody will get their house burned down?
    Seems to me that Comrade Castro has opened himself up to lawsuits, and even possible criminal prosecution.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is not what he said, he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated. The same way you can eradicate the KKK without killing white Klans people, you can do the same for white supremacists. Not saying that I agree with anything this guy is saying just pointing out that you are misrepresenting what he said.
    Holy hell, be honest, what are you being blinded by?

    Out of that tweet, thats all you got? You don't think that all of the connections he was making could lead from eradicating white supremacy to eradicating all supporters of white supremacy? And it doesn't matter if you support white supremacy/kkk or not, in his own words, by DEFAULT, supporting Trump or wearing the MAGA hat makes you a white supremacist.


    Just another case of Trump (and in effect, TDS) is literally driving people out of their minds, not able to see what is clearly in front of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I wonder if anybody will get their house burned down?
    Hell, simply losing your job for who you chose to support is political-terrorism. Can't pay the bills, can't feed the kids. All because of who you choose to support. One of these businesses are gonna be targeted as to have such affect of having the employee fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoastieInColorado View Post
    I want someone to ask him, on camera and live, what exactly is the intent behind him publishing those names like that, and if he intends to take full responsibility for any attacks that occur on any of those people, as his comment of it being "sad to see" and that "their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate...", most certainly seems to imply that supporting the President = you're doing something wrong.

    And we all know wrongdoers must be punished...
    Won't happen. The MSM AGREES with his tactics.

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    This wont help the libearls win in 2020 let alone them pushing open borders or free healthcare for migrants while ignoring ordinary Americans.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is not what he said, he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated. The same way you can eradicate the KKK without killing white Klans people, you can do the same for white supremacists. Not saying that I agree with anything this guy is saying just pointing out that you are misrepresenting what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Won't happen. The MSM AGREES with his tactics.
    Agrees with and encourages.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That would be the absolutely most generous reading of that tweet possible. And you have twisted it too far from what was meant by any unbiased reading of that tweet.

    Edit: “ALL OF THEM”? Seriously? Sorry that eliminates any doubt as to what he was saying.

    That is most likely what he was inferring, but no doubt he was prepared to weasel out of that by saying he was only talking about the KKK, which is nonsense.
    There's no weaseling out of it.

    He meant what he said.

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  32. #28
    CA-U of C prof: ALL Trump supporters are racist white supremacists and must be eradicated
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is not what he said [...]
    That is what he said. It is literally and exactly what he said.

    You might argue whether he really means it, or just misspoke himself, or is engaging in careless hyperbole, or whatever - but there is no other sensible interpretation of the words that he actually used in the way that he actually used them.

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    [...] he is saying white supremacist terror must be eradicated not that his supporter must be eradicated.
    You are wrong. Read what he said again (and note that he himself explicitly tells us that "there is no room for [...] nuance" here):

    After today there is no longer any room for nuance. The President is a white nationalist terror leader. His supporters - ALL OF THEM - are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. The MAGA hat is a KKK hood. And this evil, racist scourge must be eradicated from society.
    Given the grammatical structure of the sentences, the antecedent(s) of the pronoun "this" - identified as the "evil, racist scourge" that "must be eradicated from society" - can only possibly be one or more of three things: "The President" or "His supporters - ALL OF THEM" or "The MAGA hat".

    Your claim that "white supremacist terror" was the "this" to which he was referring is poor English and is simply incorrect. The adjectival phrase he used ("white nationalist terror") was used to describe the antecedent(s) to the pronominal phrase "this evil, racist scourge" - it was not used as the antecedent itself.

    The only way around this is to insist that his use of "this" refers only the last of the three possible antecedents.

    IOW: The only way around this is to insist that the "evil, racist scourge [that] must be eradicated from society" is ... "[t[he MAGA hat[s]" ...
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That is what he said. It is literally and exactly what he said.

    You might argue whether he really means it or is just engaging in careless hyperbole - but there is no other sensible interpretation of the words he actually used and the way that he put them together.



    You are wrong. Read what he said again (and note that he himself explicitly tells us that "there is no room for [...] nuance" here):



    The antecedent(s) of the pronoun "this" - identified as the "evil, racist scourge" that "must be eradicated from society" - can only possibly be one or more of three things: "The President" or "His supporters - ALL OF THEM" or "The MAGA hat".

    Your claim that "white supremacist terror" was the "this" to which he was referring is poor English and is simply incorrect. The adjectival phrase he used ("white nationalist terror") was used to describe the antecedent(s) to the pronominal phrase "this evil, racist scourge" - it was not used as the antecedent itself.

    The only way around this is to insist that his use of "this" refers only the last of the three possible antecedents.

    IOW: The only way around this is to insist that "evil, racist scourge [that] must be eradicated from society" is ... "[t[he MAGA hat[s]" ...
    We all need to slowly accept that TDS (just like the left) cannot be reasoned with.
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