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Thread: Trump Condemns El Paso, Dayton Mass Shootings: Full Speech on August 5, 2019

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    Trump Condemns El Paso, Dayton Mass Shootings: Full Speech on August 5, 2019

    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Ever Growing Police State Apparatus is Alive-and-Well.

    ERPO among other things.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Well, I guess the cat is out of the bag now.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Well, I guess the cat is out of the bag now.
    Which deserves a bump.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Which deserves a bump.
    Have you heard my cricket video yet, it's so relaxing.


    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Removed
    Last edited by Cap; 08-05-2019 at 11:08 AM.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Well, I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

    Sadly, this particular "cat" was never really all that much IN the bag, was never really much of a secret. many just worked hard not to see it.
    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Yes this is a pretty significant shift especially for many among MAGA's 'Right Wing' supporters.
    Perhaps some knew it all along?
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    An observation by myself: This last few days certainly has got everyone's eyes looking away from the Epstein saga. Probably nothing..but still things that make you go hmmm.
    You are correct.



    The deep state is writhing right now. Declass is coming in 10+ days. They are going down soon, they are not happy.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Sorry, I did not mean to derail the thread, mods please keep this on topic. I'll remove my post.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You are correct.



    The deep state is writhing right now. Declass is coming in 10+ days. They are going down soon, they are not happy.
    Trump needs to shut up and wait for the shootings to blow over instead of calling for red flag laws etc.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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    Trump should discuss how the white nationalist movement has a long history of attracting violent nutcases that predate his Presidency. There was a Sikh Temple shooting in 2012, a Jewish Center shooting in 2014, etc. White nationalism appeals to isolated, disaffected people, and some of those types are psychopaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump needs to shut up and wait for the shootings to blow over instead of calling for red flag laws etc.
    Or he needs to appear "Presidential" (aka fascist) and keep everybody (aka the media) as calm as possible before the arrests.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Starting @ 5:28

    1. DOJ to work with social media and states to identify red flags on the internet
    2. Stop the glorification of violence - video games are a problem.
    3. Reform mental health laws so violent people get treatment.
    4. red flag laws
    5. capital punishment
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Or he needs to appear "Presidential" (aka fascist) and keep everybody (aka the media) as calm as possible before the arrests.
    No.

    He signaled the left that he could be manipulated with mass shootings when he did the bumpstock garbage and singlehandedly reverse pro-gun momentum to anti-gun momentum.

    If the left launched these attacks because of the bumpstock ban giving them hope for gun control then he DOES have the blood of the victims on his hands.

    The media are going to shred him for anything he says other than calling for an absolute semi-auto ban/roundup and saying anything lets them keep talking about it all longer.

    He needs to shut up and wait out the outrage if he doesn't come out swinging for more guns and Constitutional carry.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Just like the FL shooter, the OH shooter was previously reported to the police and even arrested. He was expelled from his school and let back.

    I think Red Flags should be taken seriously. These two examples alone could've easily been avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Starting @ 5:28

    1. DOJ to work with social media and states to identify red flags on the internet
    BAD

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    2. Stop the glorification of violence - video games are a problem.
    MIXED, Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry DO glorify violence and evil BUT video games where you play war/cop&robbers etc. ARE NOT a problem and government needs to keep its grubby paws off them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    3. Reform mental health laws so violent people get treatment.
    UNCLEAR, it depends on the details.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    4. red flag laws
    BAD

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    5. capital punishment
    GOOD (as long as the standard of proof is sufficient)
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump needs to shut up and wait for the shootings to blow over instead of calling for red flag laws etc.
    Absolutely. NOTHING he says will condemn the left. He cme out today and said EVERYTHING the left has demanded he stand up and say. And the only thing the left can do is excoriate him for saying Toledo instead of Dayton. Of course the left won't condemn Biden for saying Houston and Michigan. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Absolutely. NOTHING he says will condemn the left. He cme out today and said EVERYTHING the left has demanded he stand up and say. And the only thing the left can do is excoriate him for saying Toledo instead of Dayton. Of course the left won't condemn Biden for saying Houston and Michigan. Lol.
    They will demonize him no matter what unless he calls for a semi-auto ban/roundup.


    If he isn't going to come out and call for more guns and easier carry then he needs to say nothing at all.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.



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