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    Ron Paul: US turning more fascist than socialist




    Aug 3, 2019

    Former Presidential candidate and Congressman Dr. Ron Paul (R-Texas) joins Rick Sanchez to talk about the creep of “socialistic corporatism,” the retreat of voluntarism and free market principles and Americans’ capitulation to elites who “have run roughshod over us.”



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    Ron is right again.

    If I was ever forced to disagree with Ron, the only thing I could come up with is, we are not so close to fascism, we are already there.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ron is right again.

    If I was ever forced to disagree with Ron, the only thing I could come up with is, we are not so close to fascism, we are already there.
    I would think Ron agrees with your "disagreement", but perhaps there is a reason he is holding back. Idk, just speculating.

    Though if I recall, you and Ron are not on the same side of the border issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    I would think Ron agrees with your "disagreement", but perhaps there is a reason he is holding back. Idk, just speculating.

    Though if I recall, you and Ron are not on the same side of the border issue.

    The border issue is a complex one. We all know that the centralist government is the root of the problems (the anti-feds warned us).

    My reasons for not requiring "legalization" / "documentation":


    I support the right to privacy as outline in the 4th Amendment.

    I support Contract Rights between employer/employee, not forced/mandated government minimum wage.

    I do not support "Funding the Fed". Enough taxes are imposed through sales, local and state. Let the Fed beg the states for money.

    If the person chooses not to work, there is no reason to "document/process" them in order to qualify/receive government benefits.

    I am a free man, and individual, born with Natural Rights. Unless I have committed a crime against Person or Property (there are already laws to address that), it is NOBODY'S business where I go or what I do. This "papers please" mentality will be the undoing of a free people.

    Sacrificing liberty for security ALWAYS leads to loss of freedom. The only logical solution is to End Welfare/Incentives. If that cannot be achieved by this corrupt government, at least I still have my freedom. Others may see it differently, that is on them.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Ron must be reading the forum.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Yup, nobody does it like Ron Paul.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Ron must be reading the forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Yup, nobody does it like Ron Paul.

    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The border issue is a complex one. We all know that the centralist government is the root of the problems (the anti-feds warned us).

    My reasons for not requiring "legalization" / "documentation":


    I support the right to privacy as outline in the 4th Amendment.

    I support Contract Rights between employer/employee, not forced/mandated government minimum wage.

    I do not support "Funding the Fed". Enough taxes are imposed through sales, local and state. Let the Fed beg the states for money.

    If the person chooses not to work, there is no reason to "document/process" them in order to qualify/receive government benefits.

    I am a free man, and individual, born with Natural Rights. Unless I have committed a crime against Person or Property (there are already laws to address that), it is NOBODY'S business where I go or what I do. This "papers please" mentality will be the undoing of a free people.

    Sacrificing liberty for security ALWAYS leads to loss of freedom. The only logical solution is to End Welfare/Incentives. If that cannot be achieved by this corrupt government, at least I still have my freedom. Others may see it differently, that is on them.
    Tell me if this sounds right to you.

    If China sends an army to the US we should:

    1 Let them in cuz open borders=liberty
    2 Let them keep their weapons cuz 2ndA
    3 Only attempt to arrest and prosecute individual soldiers for specific crimes like murder, theft or kidnapping


    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The border issue is a complex one. We all know that the centralist government is the root of the problems (the anti-feds warned us).

    My reasons for not requiring "legalization" / "documentation":


    I support the right to privacy as outline in the 4th Amendment.

    I support Contract Rights between employer/employee, not forced/mandated government minimum wage.

    I do not support "Funding the Fed". Enough taxes are imposed through sales, local and state. Let the Fed beg the states for money.

    If the person chooses not to work, there is no reason to "document/process" them in order to qualify/receive government benefits.

    I am a free man, and individual, born with Natural Rights. Unless I have committed a crime against Person or Property (there are already laws to address that), it is NOBODY'S business where I go or what I do. This "papers please" mentality will be the undoing of a free people.

    Sacrificing liberty for security ALWAYS leads to loss of freedom. The only logical solution is to End Welfare/Incentives. If that cannot be achieved by this corrupt government, at least I still have my freedom. Others may see it differently, that is on them.
    Actually, the way you framed your position is basically congruent with Ron, except for the implementation. You state that besides your stance, the only other logical position is to end welfare/incentives. Which, along with ending the war on drugs, are Ron's first two and sole solutions for the situation. Yet you realize these solutions have zero shot of ever becoming reality. So your stance defaults to open borders.

    Ron is like you but reverse. He wants open borders, but first we need a libertarian/ancap society. He also realizes this will never be a reality. So in this disgustingly dumb and crony system, he's *open* to a wall, enforcing the border, and documentation.

    Ultimately you both want the same thing. You just differ on what band-aid you want to throw on a wound that can never heal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Actually, the way you framed your position is basically congruent with Ron, except for the implementation. You state that besides your stance, the only other logical position is to end welfare/incentives. Which, along with ending the war on drugs, are Ron's first two and sole solutions for the situation. Yet you realize these solutions have zero shot of ever becoming reality. So your stance defaults to open borders.

    Ron is like you but reverse. He wants open borders, but first we need a libertarian/ancap society. He also realizes this will never be a reality. So in this disgustingly dumb and crony system, he's *open* to a wall, enforcing the border, and documentation.

    Ultimately you both want the same thing. You just differ on what band-aid you want to throw on a wound that can never heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Actually, the way you framed your position is basically congruent with Ron, except for the implementation. You state that besides your stance, the only other logical position is to end welfare/incentives. Which, along with ending the war on drugs, are Ron's first two and sole solutions for the situation. Yet you realize these solutions have zero shot of ever becoming reality. So your stance defaults to open borders.

    Ron is like you but reverse. He wants open borders, but first we need a libertarian/ancap society. He also realizes this will never be a reality. So in this disgustingly dumb and crony system, he's *open* to a wall, enforcing the border, and documentation.

    Ultimately you both want the same thing. You just differ on what band-aid you want to throw on a wound that can never heal.
    If the choice is between:

    1. "Funding the Fed", build a Wall, mandate people "sign up" with the Fed, and continue Welfare.

    and

    2. Promote Defunding the Fed, Retain the Bill of Rights and freedom to travel freely (natural rights apply to ALL people) and motivating others to see how Destructive Welfare actually is.

    I opt for Option 2.

    Option 2 is not a Band-Aid approach. Option 1, however, is. Option 1 continues to Grow, as our individual and private property rights become eradicated.


    Political Decentralization As A Road To Anarcho-Capitalism


    Unconstitutional Government Power and the Problem of Obedience
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    If the choice is between:

    1. "Funding the Fed", build a Wall, mandate people "sign up" with the Fed, and continue Welfare.

    and

    2. Promote Defunding the Fed, Retain the Bill of Rights and freedom to travel freely (natural rights apply to ALL people) and motivating others to see how Destructive Welfare actually is.

    I opt for Option 2.

    Option 2 is not a Band-Aid approach. Option 1, however, is. Option 1 continues to Grow, as our individual and private property rights become eradicated.


    Political Decentralization As A Road To Anarcho-Capitalism


    Unconstitutional Government Power and the Problem of Obedience
    Option 2 is wrong.

    The real Option 2 is "Let millions of communists invade and and impose a communist dictatorship".

    Option 1 doesn't have to be what you said either.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell me if this sounds right to you.

    If China sends an army to the US we should:

    1 Let them in cuz open borders=liberty
    2 Let them keep their weapons cuz 2ndA
    3 Only attempt to arrest and prosecute individual soldiers for specific crimes like murder, theft or kidnapping


    @PAF, you never answered the question.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell me if this sounds right to you.

    If China sends an army to the US we should:

    1 Let them in cuz open borders=liberty
    2 Let them keep their weapons cuz 2ndA
    3 Only attempt to arrest and prosecute individual soldiers for specific crimes like murder, theft or kidnapping


    @PAF
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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