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    Exclamation How computers ruined rock music




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    Pretty sure it was disco.
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    This is the last rock band I got into before going full electronic dance music.. mid 2000s





    Now dance music rules... it's just way better, way more energy than the old $#@!.





    And way more advanced

    Beginning of this video is really cool, but when the bass goes up (which is the whole point, and never really gets capture well by youtube videos), it gets groggly


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    With some occasional exceptions (eg., CCR, Bowie, et al.), I've pretty much stopped listening, as a regular thing, to anything but music composed before 1900 or so ...
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    ... you know, actual music ... with, like, melodies and harmonies and stuff ... (not "art" made out of [ar]rhythmic noise ...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgQXlSQ7Dk
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-03-2019 at 02:40 AM.

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    ^Not bad, but they are all missing a good drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    ... you know, actual music ... with, like, melodies and harmonies and stuff ... (not "art" made out of [ar]rhythmic noise ...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgQXlSQ7Dk
    Some music is timeless. Like Bach, Mozart, or Carly Rae Jepsen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    ... you know, actual music ... with, like, melodies and harmonies and stuff ... (not "art" made out of [ar]rhythmic noise ...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgQXlSQ7Dk
    If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.

    My favorite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    ... you know, actual music ... with, like, melodies and harmonies and stuff ... (not "art" made out of [ar]rhythmic noise ...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgQXlSQ7Dk
    I find myself doing the same.

    Although don't count out some of the big band, jazz and swing composed from about 1900 to 1945 or so.

    That was the last of the great composers that composed for music's sake alone.

    Everything worthwhile past that was either movie music compositions, or quality rock band compositions, which of course, have been killed off by the verserficators.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-03-2019 at 01:49 PM.

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    New rock music. No idea if it is overproduced...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.

    My favorite

    I love that one so much I did my own arrangement for 2 electric guitars and strings. (ETA:I get 100% of the profit if you buy the tracks through this bandcamp link btw, @Suzanimal Just FYI) https://matveyushka.bandcamp.com/album/concerto-for-2-violins-bwv-1043


    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 08-03-2019 at 04:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I find myself doing the same.

    Although don't count out some of the big band, jazz and swing composed from about 1900 to 1945 or so.

    That was the last of the great composers that composed for music's sake alone.

    Everything worthwhile past that was either movie music compositions, or quality rock band compositions, which of course, have been killed off by the verserficators.
    Yes. That too. In fact, you can go ahead and include the Squirrel Nut Zippers and Brian Setzer as part of the "et al." in my first post. (I also enjoy some traditional Celtic/Irish/Scottish folk stuff.)

    At any rate, the only music that truly deserves to be called genuinely beautiful is almost exclusively at least a century (and often centuries) old. And even the "et al." stuff that I really like (or even love, though I wouldn't call it "genuinely beautiful" - not like Bach & Co.) is, if you'll excuse my pidgin, muy passé. The latter is due (at least in part) to the fact that I'm getting old. But the former is just the sad and tragic truth ...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-03-2019 at 02:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.

    My favorite

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    Here's the documentary Rick recommended:

    EDIT: D'oh! AF already posted it. Oh, well ... so there'll be Bach to Bach posts of this video ... (if it is Baroque, don't fix it ...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o1DZPqqx-M




    P.S. EDIT: Sorry for hijacking your thread about computers ruining rock music, AF ... (Looks like B4L is the only one who's been close to being on topic ...)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-03-2019 at 02:55 PM.

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    Computers are just a tool. It depends on how you use them. Did computers hurt the Who's rock? The internet does allow a lot of mediocre music get heard. (this was shot on a soundstage for the documentary "The Kids Are Alright." Last live perfomances with Keith Moon.


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    Well computers in general have ruined a lot of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    With some occasional exceptions (eg., CCR, Bowie, et al.), I've pretty much stopped listening, as a regular thing, to anything but music composed before 1900 or so ...
    This year I have started listening to a list of 100 best baroque (and before) compositions. Ive skipped the operas, but I'll take 1 a week and listen to it almost constantly. I'll take a breaks and listen to lots of other modern stuff, but I've really enjoyed it. The other day in the truck, switching through the channels, I landed on the classical music station and actually recognized a song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I find myself doing the same.

    Although don't count out some of the big band, jazz and swing composed from about 1900 to 1945 or so.

    That was the last of the great composers that composed for music's sake alone.

    Everything worthwhile past that was either movie music compositions, or quality rock band compositions, which of course, have been killed off by the verserficators.
    I played that kind of stuff in college for lulz. It's fun and the harmonies/voice leading/orchestration are awesomesauce. I also met some badass improvisers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    This year I have started listening to a list of 100 best baroque (and before) compositions. Ive skipped the operas, but I'll take 1 a week and listen to it almost constantly. I'll take a breaks and listen to lots of other modern stuff, but I've really enjoyed it. The other day in the truck, switching through the channels, I landed on the classical music station and actually recognized a song.
    If you're just getting into opera, start with Verdi, Rossini, and Mozart. Probably easier for modern listeners to appreciate. If you jump right into the Ring cycle or something you're going to feel overwhelmed and probably bored.
    Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 08-03-2019 at 10:10 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I played that kind of stuff in college for lulz. It's fun and the harmonies/voice leading/orchestration are awesomesauce. I also met some badass improvisers.
    Gene Krupa FTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Computers are just a tool. It depends on how you use them.
    That's right.

    And if you use them to "quantify" and "auto tune" every single song and performance, so that they all sound the same, cookie cutter precise and no soul, then you have used them to ruin a genre of music.

    Which is the OP's point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Gene Krupa FTW!
    He could Sing Sing Sing with his sticks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He could Sing Sing Sing with his sticks.
    That was awful.


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    I was at this show...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I was at this show...

    I used to have a cassette of that. Wore the thing out.

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    First song I can remember hearing anything like "autotune" effects. First rock album I ever purchased.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ^Not bad, but they are all missing a good drop.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Now dance music rules... it's just way better, way more energy than the old $#@!.
    I can certainly appreciate that these are events where there are a lot women and you might even get laid, but to call this great music is like calling AOC the greatest mind in economics.
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    This is music. There is a composition, there is melody, there is musicianship.

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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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