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    Did John Dillinger survive? 4 reasons the conspiracy theory may be true

    An unthinkable thing is about to happen.
    In June, descendants of the famous gangster John Dillinger filed a request with the Indiana Department of Health to have the folk hero’s body exhumed from his resting place in Indianapolis’ Crown Point Cemetery.
    The Indianapolis Star reported a few days ago that the health department granted that request. No date for exhumation has been announced, and since Dillinger was buried under heaps of concrete to reportedly protect him from corpse snatchers, his resurfacing could take a while.
    When I first heard the news, I hoped it had something to do with a conspiracy theory that’s floated through the American consciousness for 85 years: that the man buried in that tomb isn’t actually John Dillinger.
    And on Thursday, it came out that my wish had been granted.


    Carol and Michael Thompson, Dillinger’s niece and nephew, wrote in an affidavit submitted to the department of health that they aren’t sure their uncle is the man FBI agents filled with bullets outside the Biograph Theater on July 22, 1934.
    The FBI stands by its story, because of course it does. And sure, the possibility that Dillinger lived past his supposed execution is remote.
    But it isn’t impossible. Here are a few reasons why.
    The evidence

    In the affidavit, the Thompsons go as far as saying they have evidence Dillinger isn’t the man resting in the grave.
    They cite autopsy results that prove the person buried in Crown Point didn’t match Dillinger in several key ways. He had different-colored eyes, mismatched fingerprints, and a disparate set of teeth.
    The autopsy report itself vanished for 50 years until it was discovered jammed inside a random paper bag at the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office in 1984.
    “It is my belief and opinion that it is critical to learn whether Dillinger lived beyond his reported date of death of July 22, 1934,” Michael Thompson wrote in the affidavit obtained by the Indianapolis Star. “If he was not killed on that date, I am interested in discovering what happened to him, where he lived, whether he had children, and whether any such children or grandchildren are living today.”


    The plastic surgeon

    July 22 was a big night for Melvis Purvis.
    He helmed a team of federal and local agents who crouched in the shadows outside the Biograph, waiting for the man they hunted for months to walk into the hot summer night.
    A woman named Anna Sage told Purvis that Dillinger was inside watching a showing of “Manhattan Melodrama.”
    The FBI's official story goes like this: Dillinger appeared and the agents gave chase, trapping him in a nearby alley.
    Dillinger attempted to draw his own gun, but it was too late. Agents shot him dead and watched as he fell into the street. Onlookers rushed to dip their handkerchiefs and skirt hems in his blood, hoping to escape with a macabre souvenir.
    However, press reports from the next day contained a quote from Purvis that added a weird pall of mystery to the whole thing.
    “The plastic surgeon did a good job,” Purvis told United Press International. “But I knew Dillinger the minute I saw him.”
    Purvis was commenting on a well-known story that Dillinger had sought out plastic surgery to elude capture.
    According to the History Channel – which is making a documentary about this whole exhumation process – Dillinger paid “underworld surgeons” $5,000 to perform facial reconstruction on him.
    They allegedly sliced off some moles, filled his cleft chin and burned off his fingerprints with chemicals.
    But, according to an account published in the Evansville Press on July 23, 1934, morgue attendants and local police who examined the body didn’t see any difference in his appearance.
    Reportedly, Dillinger didn’t either. In the wake of the painful procedures, he lashed out at his sketchy surgeons.
    “Hell, I don’t look any different than I did!” he allegedly said after staring in a mirror.
    If both Dillinger and local police didn’t see a difference in his appearance, why did Purvis? Did the rudimentary black-market surgery work better than initially thought? Was Purvis just adding a little noir-ish twist to the story?
    Or did the man outside the Biograph look different for an even simpler reason: because he was a different man?


    Jay Robert Nash

    Prolific true crime author Jay Robert Nash has written multiple books claiming that John Dillinger lived well past the supposed day of his death.
    In 2009, when the Dillinger biopic “Public Enemies” came out, legendary film critic Roger Ebert turned his column over to Nash.
    The move allowed Nash to lay out his theory in lurid, captivating, insane detail. Giving it proper due would cause this column to stretch to a length that would make Ayn Rand blush, so here are the key bullet points.

    • The FBI, still a fledgling organization back in those days, brimmed with mistake-prone amateurs. Perhaps they shot the wrong man and had no choice but to cover it up. After all, they had already shot three men they mistook for members of Dillinger’s gang during a botched raid at the Little Bohemia Lodge in Wisconsin.
    • Purvis perpetuated the lie to keep his job. According to Nash, J. Edgar Hoover was all over Purvis to finally to capture the suave criminal. After all, he was making authorities look awful, and the public loved him for it. Making a big deal out killing Dillinger, only to turn around later and take it all back, would have been too much to handle.
    • Dillinger aided in the faking of his own death, and laughed in the background at Crown Point cemetery as he watched men dig his own grave.
    • Dillinger fled west to live out the rest of his life on a Native American reservation with a new wife. Nash claims he has a picture of the two, taken in Oregon in 1948.

    Nash’s greatest claim, though? That, years after 1934, he met John Dillinger.
    Or at least it was a man he believed could have been Dillinger. The meeting took place in Puente, California. Nash and the man stood in a dark room and had a brief conversation.
    “I do not know for certain that the man I talked to was John Dillinger or not,” he wrote in Ebert’s column. “If that was the case, however, it was not my obligation to inform anyone about it, for, according to the FBI, John Herbert Dillinger had been dead since July 22, 1934.
    “The world bought Hoover's story and it is welcome to it. I told my story, and the world is welcome to that, too.”

    More at: https://www.courierpress.com/story/o...ry/1895302001/
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    Well he certainly isn't alive today. He'd be 116 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Well he certainly isn't alive today. He'd be 116 years old.
    It's not likely but it is possible.
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    Indiana officials have approved a new permit relatives of 1930s gangster John Dillinger had sought to exhume his Indianapolis gravesite.The permit approved Thursday by the Indiana State Department of Health calls for the remains to be exhumed on Dec. 31.
    Dillinger's nephew, Michael C. Thompson, applied for the permit last month after he and another relative obtained an earlier permit calling for a Sept. 16 exhumation.
    That exhumation did not occur after Crown Hill Cemetery officials objected to the exhumation. Thompson is suing the cemetery, seeking a court order to gain access to the grave.
    Thompson has said he has evidence Dillinger's body may not be buried there, and he may not have been the man FBI agents fatally shot outside a Chicago theater in on July 22, 1934.
    The FBI said in a statement in August that it was a "myth" that its agents didn't kill Dillinger.

    https://news.yahoo.com/indiana-appro...194805205.html
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    What if there are no remains there ?
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    What if there are no remains there ?
    That remains to be seen.
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    There are reports that Hitler and Dillinger lived together in Brazil. That is absurd. Dillinger died. Hitler then acquired Dillingers corpse and is having sex with it as we speak. I guess you can't break old habits.

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    A judge on Wednesday ruled that the family of notorious Indiana bank robber John Dillinger will not be allowed to exhume the 85-year-old corpse from its resting place – for now.Dillinger's nephew Michael C. Thompson filed a lawsuit in August after a public back-and-forth between the family and the cemetery, which had opposed digging up the body.
    In his ruling Wednesday, Marion County Superior Court Judge Timothy Oakes said the parties' main question was whether the exhumation could occur without cemetery approval, as laid out under Indiana Statute 23-14-57-1.
    "Court finds that the statutory requirements for this section of the statute are clear in that disinterment requires the cemetery owner to give consent before disinterment may occur," Oakes' ruling says, according to online court records, "and the statute does not require that the cemetery have a valid, rational, or meaningful reason."


    Thompson received a permit in June from the Indiana State Department of Health to complete the exhumation sometime before Sept. 16 but ran into roadblocks after news reports drew attention to the plans.
    The family's plans to exhume the body and complete DNA testing to determine its identity were to be depicted in a documentary distributed by the History Channel, which has since backed out of the project.
    Oakes dismissed the case without prejudice, leaving room for Thompson's attorney, Andrea Simmons, to file an amended complaint under another section of the statute.
    "We feel like Mr. Thompson should not be prohibited from seeking a disinterment to learn the identity just because his uncle happens to be infamous," Simmons said before the ruling. "If his was anonymous, if no one had ever heard the name, we wouldn't be here today."

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/family-wont-a...180042666.html
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    The cemetery will not allow exhumation . Under current Indiana law they cannot be overidden . They do not even have to provided any reasoning for denial . They have nothing to gain and a lot to lose if he is not there so naturally the boneyard lawyer will advise denial.
    Do something Danke



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