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    Exclusive由and Paul: Disingenuous Republicans at the Spending Trough


    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1156962116764655616



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    but muh wall Trumps muh budget
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    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1156958834499493888

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1156958834499493888

    So conservatives watch and see who votes for the spending and who gives a damn about our country....

    And then we'll see once it's passed if it gets vetoed.
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    H.R.3877 Roll Call Vote - 67 to 28

    Republican Senators who voted NAY on an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling:

    Blackburn (R-TN)
    Braun (R-IN)
    Cassidy (R-LA)
    Cotton (R-AR)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Daines (R-MT)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Gardner (R-CO)
    Hawley (R-MO)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kennedy (R-LA)
    Lankford (R-OK)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Romney (R-UT)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sasse (R-NE)
    Scott (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Tillis (R-NC)
    Toomey (R-PA)

    Republicans who voted YEA on an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling:

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Capito (R-WV)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Cortez Masto (D-NV)
    Cramer (R-ND)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    McSally (R-AZ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Perdue (R-GA)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rounds (R-SD)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Sullivan (R-AK)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    Young (R-IN)
    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...n=1&vote=00262

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Republican Senators who voted NAY on an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling:

    Manchin (D-WV)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Republicans who voted YEA on an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling:

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Capito (R-WV)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Cortez Masto (D-NV)
    Cramer (R-ND)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    McSally (R-AZ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Perdue (R-GA)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rounds (R-SD)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Sullivan (R-AK)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    Young (R-IN)
    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...n=1&vote=00262
    The usual RINO suspects. IIRC, I highlighted the ones who have campaigned as fiscal conservatives or Tea Party candidates. Any more?
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    Hard to take him seriously, after he, along with the rest of his retarded party, claimed that Trump's proposed tax cuts would decrease the deficit, despite being projected to do the opposite by everyone who actually knew what they were talking about. Almost as if he doesn't actually care about the deficit, just about ensuring that his wealthy donors get to pay as little taxes as possible.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Hard to take him seriously, after he, along with the rest of his retarded party, claimed that Trump's proposed tax cuts would decrease the deficit, despite being projected to do the opposite by everyone who actually knew what they were talking about. Almost as if he doesn't actually care about the deficit, just about ensuring that his wealthy donors get to pay as little taxes as possible.
    I wouldn't say that it means he doesn't care at all about the deficit. But he sees cutting taxes as more important than cutting the deficit or keeping it from growing by way of keeping taxes high. And he's certainly right about that.

    This is one of the dangers of harping on the deficit and debt. It could be taken as approval of taxation as the lesser evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Hard to take him seriously, after he, along with the rest of his retarded party, claimed that Trump's proposed tax cuts would decrease the deficit, despite being projected to do the opposite by everyone who actually knew what they were talking about. Almost as if he doesn't actually care about the deficit, just about ensuring that his wealthy donors get to pay as little taxes as possible.
    It's not a tax problem, it's a spending problem. Where the $#@! have you been the last 12 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    It's not a tax problem, it's a spending problem. Where the $#@! have you been the last 12 years?
    It's clearly both. The US will never decrease the deficit if taxes continue to decrease, as Rand and co. would like. And as they have proven, they will continuously lie about it to get their agenda implemented. "Deficit hawks" who supported the Trump tax bill because it would "improve the economy so much net taxation would increase" are liars and hypocrites, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    It's clearly both. The US will never decrease the deficit if taxes continue to decrease, as Rand and co. would like. And as they have proven, they will continuously lie about it to get their agenda implemented. "Deficit hawks" who supported the Trump tax bill because it would "improve the economy so much net taxation would increase" are liars and hypocrites, nothing more.
    Because it is the first step to improve the economy. The second step is to lower spending. The mini depression in the early 1920s taught us that.You either believe in something or you don't.
    Rand's not the one that is hard to take seriously here, you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    Because it is the first step to improve the economy. The second step is to lower spending. The mini depression in the early 1920s taught us that.You either believe in something or you don't.
    Rand's not the one that is hard to take seriously here, you are.
    Regardless of whether or not this plan would even work, Rand and his ideological allies either lied or had no idea what they were talking about, in order to pass the Trump Tax bill. This is undebatable. If they lied, they should be removed from office. If they had no idea what they were talking about, they should be removed from office. If you have to lie to the American people to reach your desired ends, perhaps you are unfit to be in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    It's clearly both. The US will never decrease the deficit if taxes continue to decrease, as Rand and co. would like. And as they have proven, they will continuously lie about it to get their agenda implemented. "Deficit hawks" who supported the Trump tax bill because it would "improve the economy so much net taxation would increase" are liars and hypocrites, nothing more.
    Yawn.

    Go Figure: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs Under Trump Tax Cuts



    • 10/16/2018


    Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.


    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...nues-deficits/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yawn.

    Go Figure: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs Under Trump Tax Cuts



    • 10/16/2018


    Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.


    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...nues-deficits/

    And what was the federal deficit for the same year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Hard to take him seriously, after he, along with the rest of his retarded party, claimed that Trump's proposed tax cuts would decrease the deficit, despite being projected to do the opposite by everyone who actually knew what they were talking about. Almost as if he doesn't actually care about the deficit, just about ensuring that his wealthy donors get to pay as little taxes as possible.
    This, anyone who wasn't born yesterday, dishonest or just retarded knew that congress wasn't going to cut spending. It doesn't matter what you think about the benefit of tax cut to the economy but passing a tax cut without a minimum of a spending freeze would increase the deficit. But Rand goes around with the idea that he really believed this time around that this congress would submit a budget that would lead to anything but an increase in the debt. So he votes for a tax cut and to nobody's surprise the debt grew.

    I prefer Ron's take on this. He would tell you that he just wants the people to hold onto more of their own money not the foolish idea that tax cuts coupled with spending increase could ever reduce the deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Ok but this is at least MAGA spending. If Hillary were president, the spending would be for worse things. Also Gorsuch.
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    Great to see dannno destroying the naysers!

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    Gee, I didn't realize a majority of the Republican caucus in the Senate were such liberals Where did they all come from?

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    Adjusting for inflation, revenues did not go up. They went down. Even that Investors article linked above qualifies its claims by saying that they do not claim the tax cuts paid for themselves, only that the loss in revenue from their lower rates was partially offset by economic growth.

    That said, all that's beside the point. We don't want revenue to go up, we want it to go down.

    If you cut taxes and revenues go up, that means you didn't cut them enough.

    If Rand did say that he expected these tax cuts to lead to increased revenue, and if he acted like that would be a good thing, then the main thing he should be criticized for is that last part of acting like increasing revenues would be a good thing.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 08-02-2019 at 02:22 PM.

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    No worries, Trump will veto...right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    No worries, Trump will veto...right?
    Only if it doesn't spend enough
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    In before the trumpettes and shylls blame immigrants for trump signing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    In before the trumpettes and shylls blame immigrants for trump signing it.
    Generations of excessive immigration is responsible for the big government culture that gave us this kind of spending.
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    "senators who voted for an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling are not and have no right to call themselves conservatives. So America wake up and watch the votes today."

    You know Rand, I hope you have the guts enough to say this to Moscow Mitch's face but I'm not going to hold my breath to see if you will. And I doubt if McConnell is sweating you either. Maybe the Rand of people's fantasies, but not the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Paul View Post
    "senators who voted for an unlimited increase in the debt ceiling are not and have no right to call themselves conservatives. So America wake up and watch the votes today."

    You know Rand, I hope you have the guts enough to say this to Moscow Mitch's face but I'm not going to hold my breath to see if you will. And I doubt if McConnell is sweating you either. Maybe the Rand of people's fantasies, but not the reality.
    Rand does more for liberty in one day than you will in your entire life.

    But you aren't trying to help liberty.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    "Rand does more for liberty in one day than you will in your entire life."

    Thank you Mrs. Paul, but I'm sure Rand can defend himself.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Paul View Post
    "Rand does more for liberty in one day than you will in your entire life."

    Thank you Mrs. Paul, but I'm sure Rand can defend himself.
    If Rand were here he could.
    But you can't defend yourself because you are just an anti-liberty troll.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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