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    Libertarianism In One Country

    Libertarianism In One Country
    by Justin Raimondo

    Note: Wednesday’s testimony by Robert Mueller was devastating to the Russia Hoax, as everyone seems to accept, except for a few die-hard Never Trumpers such as Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg. But it also should remind us of what could have been the consequences of this CIA and FBI orchestrated coup attempt, namely, war with a nuclear-armed Russia. Neocons have always hated Russia, but the fall of communism has led many liberals and even some libertarians to embrace Russophobia in the name of “liberty”. The following 2014 column from Justin saw this coming in the Obama team’s war-inciting Ukraine policy of that year.

    (This column also marked the 15th anniversary of the start of the bombing of Serbia by the Clinton administration, another “humanitarian” war ginned up in the name of helping an allegedly oppressed group, just like its successors in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and also – if the neocons get their way – in Russia/Ukraine.)

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    In 1998 the anti-interventionist movement was tiny, and our readership reflected that. With the cold war over, and many conservatives deciding it was time to "Come Home, America," as Pat Buchanan put it, our audience and base of support came increasingly from the right side of the political spectrum. Liberals were deserting the antiwar movement in droves, cowed – or won over – by the "humanitarian" interventionists and the 24/7 cycle of war propaganda beamed at them by CNN, back then the one and only cable news station. We called it the "Clinton News Network" because there was Christiane Amanpour, married to State Department spokesman James Rubin, lying nonstop for hours on end.
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    Putin has been one of the most eloquent critics of US hegemonism and the "international order" enforced by Washington and its allies since the end of the first cold war, and this is one big reason why our wise rulers hate him. The elaborate propaganda campaign designed to demonize him and the country he presides over is motivated in large part by this hatred, as well as by the usual – greed, power-lust, and all the rest of the vices that disfigure our political class.
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    Critics of our Ukraine policy have been attacked as "Putin apologists" – as if this debate is about the political character of the Russian state. ... The neoconservative myth that democracies are inherently less aggressive than other forms of government is disproved by the example of the Western democracies, which have rampaged over a good part of the earth and in recent years have taken a toll in lives that easily reaches the millions.
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    Ron Paul’s response to the Crimean "crisis" and the Russian annexation – "Who cares?" – was quintessentially libertarian. After all, why would libertarians defend the legitimacy of a deal made by Nikita Khrushchev, of all people, who in 1953 decided to hand Crimea over to Ukraine? Some say he was drunk at the time. Is this something libertarians want to go to the barricades for? Crimea had been Russian since the days of Catherine the Great, and if the Crimeans wanted to hold a referendum to decide whether to reenter the Russian Federation, well then, who were we to stop them?

    Some libertarians, however, didn’t see it that way – in particular a small student group that had praised and actively participated in programs sponsored and funded by a US government agency, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). They raised a stink, attacking Paul and going to the neoconservative Free Beacon and other interventionist outlets with their "Ron Paul is applauding Putin the autocrat" story. In their view, we’re all Ukrainians now.

    While the credibility among libertarians of a group that is openly cooperating with the US government – with some of its members receiving cash "awards" for their service to the State – is minimal, at best, the controversy around Ukraine serves to highlight a larger issue: the question of "libertarian internationalism."

    In the run up to the Iraq war there were a few libertarians who supported the effort to "liberate" that country from the yoke of the dictator Saddam Hussein. One notable war supporter was Ron Bailey, Reason magazine’s science correspondent, who posited a theory that I dubbed "libertarian Trotskyism." He built his argument around the notion that libertarianism in one country is doomed to fail, and that because the US is the living embodiment of the free society, it’s our moral obligation to spread liberty around the world – at gunpoint if necessary. He has since repudiated this position, and certainly the disaster that flowed from his idea – an idea shared by the Bush administration and the neocons – taught him and those who agreed with him a valuable lesson.

    Unfortunately, this is a lesson that must be relearned whenever the War Party gins up another overseas "crisis." But the really necessary lesson that needs to be understood by libertarians and fellow-travelers goes way beyond the folly of foreign intervention and the absurdity of remaking whole societies at gunpoint.
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    In the midst of all this, it is inevitable that some ostensible "libertarians" will become infected with the interventionist bacillus: it pervades the political culture.
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    The libertarian position on the foreign policy issue of the day can be summed up in three short words: Ukraine – who cares? Looking at the polls, we’re in the majority for once. Back in 1998, when last the Russian bogeyman loomed large in the hive mind of our elites, the Clinton administration had some success in ginning up a war in Kosovo. Today the Obama administration couldn’t get the country behind a new cold war – never mind a hot one – even if it wanted to, which is why the President was quick to disdain Russia as a "regional power" acting out of weakness.

    That’s real progress: opposition to US intervention is on the rise, as is support for libertarian politics in this country: Let’s not blow it by adopting the discredited ideas of our neoconservative enemies and jumping into bed with the National Endowment for Democracy.
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    More: https://original.antiwar.com/justin/...one-country-2/
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    Nailed it.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

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    FTA:
    [...] here in the United States, site of the only successful libertarian revolution in history, the counterrevolution of authoritarianism has launched an assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that threatens the very foundations of American society as it has existed since 1776.
    Actually, the Constitution itself was the first substantial and successful attack by the "counterrevolution of authoritarianism" ...



    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      - Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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    From another piece referenced in the OP article:

    While Doherty’s book was in the pipeline, the issue of the war was settled, not only in libertarian circles, but in the political culture at large, and the verdict is: it was a mistake, and a very bad one. While more than a few neocons have come in from the cold and recanted, I have yet to hear a single member of the “libertarian” contingent of the War Party confess their sins and seek absolution. And I’m not going to hold my breath, either. Some people, in any event, are beyond redemption.

    Those pro-war Cato staff not named by Doherty are Brink Lindsay, and, to some extent, Tom Palmer: the former openly endorsed the invasion, while the latter spent much of his energies smearing Antiwar.com. Meanwhile, over at Reason, the pro-war “libertarian” crowd was getting busy: Ron Bailey advanced a version of “libertarian” neo-Trotskyism centered around the concept that libertarianism in one country is doomed to fail, and that, insofar as the U.S. is the living incarnation of all-that’s-perfectly libertarian, exporting “liberty” at gunpoint is required. Reason sponsored a “debate.” It’s interesting what the staff of Reason considers debatable, given the broadest possible definition of the libertarian paradigm: mass murder in Iraq, yes: legalizing methamphetamine – certainly not! After all, is nothing sacred? Reason is “ecumenical” on the core issue of war and peace, and decidedly sectarian when it comes to the much more subjective social issues, such as gay marriage, which one can certainly make a credible libertarian case against.
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    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...-great-divide/
    Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



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