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    Short answer, yes, long past time.



    Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

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    Guest Post by Boyd Cathey

    There is a question that increasingly arises, uncomfortably, in our conversations…from brief exchanges at work at the water cooler, at home with family, after church on Sunday, with our email messages to friends and associates. To watch any amount of television news these days, to switch back and forth between, say, CNN and Fox, and to listen to their interpretations of any event or issue, no matter what, that same question clambers in the background like an unchained wild beast:

    What has happened—what is happening—to the geographical entity we call the United States, to its people, to its culture? Does it not seem like the country is coming apart at the seams, in just about everything, from its once-established moral base in a more or less historic Christian framework to its very vision of reality, of what is real and what is not?

    Millions of “woke” social justice progressives now control the Democratic Party and most of our media; they dominate our entertainment and sports industries; they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens; and they have a stranglehold on the near entirety of our educational system, from the primary grades to our colleges.

    Each year those institutions turn out millions of freshly-minted automatons—intellectual zombies—who think like their unhinged teachers and professors have trained them, and who then take up responsible positions in our society and increasingly support and vote for a type of veritable madness which, like an unstoppable centrifugal force, is tearing this country apart, creating unbridgeable divisions that no amount of misdirected pleading or faux-compromise can repair.

    The progressives loudly tout their support for “equality” and what they term “liberation from arbitrary restraints.” They tell us that they are working against historic “racism and sexism.” But, in actuality, their program turns real liberty on its head, inverts rationality, and enslaves millions in unrequited passions and desires, unbound and unreasoned, cocooned in a pseudo-reality. It is, to paraphrase the great English essayist and poet G. K. Chesterton, the definition of actual lunacy.

    In his volume, The Poet and the Lunatics (1929), Chesterton’s character Gale asks the question: “What exactly is liberty?’’ He responds, in part:

    “First and foremost, surely, it is the power of a thing to be itself. In some ways the yellow bird was free in the cage…We are limited by our brains and bodies; and if we break out, we cease to be ourselves, and, perhaps, to be anything.

    “The lunatic is he who loses his way and cannot return…. The man who opened the bird-cage loved freedom; possibly too much… But the man who broke the bowl merely because he thought it a prison for the fish, when it was their only possible house of life—that man was already outside the world of reason, raging with a desire to be outside of everything.”


    The social justice fanatics who demonstrate in the streets, who appear nightly on our news channels broadcasting the ideological virus they call news, who parade before a House or Senate committee (or serve on that committee!), and who indoctrinate gullible and intellectually-abused students in supposed centers of higher education, are, to use Chesterton’s parable, lunatics. They are “already outside the world of reason,” and their unrestrained rage to destroy is only matched by their profound inability to create anything of real and lasting value.

    They partake of a virulent cultural post-Marxism that, despite slogans of “defeating racism, sexism, homophobia, and white supremacy,’’ and establishing equality, is ultimately unachievable. Its advocates are, measured by the historical reality of two millennia of Christian civilization and by the laws of nature, insane.

    They sloganize about “the fruits of democracy” and “equal rights,” where in some future utopia “racism” and “sexism’’ will finally be banished….but where, in fact, the very contrary will exist, where democracy will have become a totalitarian dystopia a thousand times worse and more oppressive than anything George Orwell envisioned in his phantasmagoric novel Nineteen Eighty Four.

    This element, this force in our country, which now numbers many millions of votaries, works feverishly and tirelessly to achieve its objectives. And, as we have seen, especially since the presidential election of 2016, it will do anything, use any tactic, including defamation, lawsuits, censorship, even violence to achieve its ends, to turn back what it perceives even in the slightest to be “counter-revolutionary.”

    The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes?

    One can certainly trace a progressively destructive trajectory in American history since the overthrow of the American constitutional system in 1865.

    And the results of that history are now reaching almost an unimaginable breaking point.

    Increasingly, we live in a country that has become de facto little more than a mere geographical entity. True, it is still formally a nation, but a nation where there are in fact at least two very distinct Americas, with radically differing visions of what is real and what is not real, radically differing conceptions of what is moral and what is not, radically differing views about truth and error, and radically differing ideas about using whatever means are available to reach a desired and posited end. For all the talk of equality and racism, the revolutionary side in actuality seeks to replace one oligarchy—which it calls “white supremacist”—with another oligarchy of its own making, in fact, a brutal, vicious and soulless “utopia’’ that would make Joseph Stalin’s Communist state seem like a Sandals Retreat in the Bahamas.

    At the base of this revolutionary movement is the critical use of language. Ideologically-tinged words—“devil terms”—now occur with amazing regularity and frequency: racism, white privilege, sexism, toxic masculinity, equality, democracy, and so on. These terms have been weaponized and are now employed by those on the Left—but also adopted by many elitist movement conservatives (“conservatism inc.”)—to disauthorize, condemn, and damn anyone who would offer effective opposition to the rapid Leftward perversion of what remains of this nation.

    It is not only the frenzied talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, but such “respectable” conservative voices as Bill Kristol, Hew Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowry, Ben Shapiro, the National Review crowd and various Republican types , who have joined in to legitimize each new progressivist conquest (e.g., same sex marriage) and attack any real opposition to the Leftist “long march” through our institutions. Like the hard Left, the establishment conservatives betray a hardly-concealed contempt for Middle America, for those hard-working, gun-owning, church-going, underpaid folks who still try to raise a family morally on a shrinking salary. They see the rest of us as mere rubes, a servile class who are not supposed to have a voice—this, you see, is now “American democracy.”

    We are not supposed to question this arrangement; we are not supposed to get off the “reservation” assigned to us. That, you see, was the way the “new oligarchy” would work. But in 2016, in exasperation, we did question it, and we did so because instinctively we knew that the unelected managerial class—a cosmopolitan and globalist elite—was far more loyal to its own class and more concerned about conserving its power and authority. It did not give a damn about us, despite the endless stream of campaign promises we hear every election season.

    We understood that the chances of success were minimal, and even if we were successful—electorally highly unlikely—the establishment and Inside-the-Beltway elites would ground to dust or coopt any opposition, including even Donald Trump.

    But the unlikely did occur, and the elites—the media, the entertainment industry, almost the entirety of academia, the progressivist Democrat Left, and also those supposed defenders of our interests, “conservatism inc.”—responded with unleashed and unrestrained anger, contempt and condescension. Those elites feel threatened by the “natives’’—threatened by those of us on the giant fly-over plantation between the million dollar mansions surrounded by walls in Silicon Valley and the paneled million dollar board rooms on Wall Street where the international globalists gather to plot the future of the world.

    No matter that Donald Trump filled much of his administration with establishment figures and GOP standbys (especially in foreign policy). The fact of his election had signaled that the mask of the administrative state, its very authority had been seriously challenged. And what followed was what can only be described as a torrent of lies, fabrications, assaults on our character, attempts to suppress our guaranteed rights of speech and expression, shaming us, and efforts to destroy our livelihoods or get us fired from our jobs or dismissed from our schools.

    And, of course, there was the Russia Hoax, involving the Hilary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Mueller Commission, a compliant media, and the FBI and other intelligence services, and totally false claims that somehow the Russians “had interfered” in our elections. In fact, the “Russia Hoax” was completely political; the Russians were not involved, save for a few double-agents who were actually working for American/FBI interests. It was a massive, unparalleled effort not just to bring down the president, but more significantly, to discredit any opposition to the Deep State establishment’s control.

    There are then, palpably, two Americas. They still use the same language, but they are increasingly incapable of communicating with each other. Almost weekly words and terms are redefined beyond comprehension, and those “devil terms” have become the modern equivalents of linguistic hydrogen bombs deployed by the progressivists. They illustrate what political theorist Paul Gottfried has called a “post-Marxist” praxis that has actually moved beyond the assaults of cultural Marxism towards a new and imposed template.

    No dissent from this template is permitted in our society. If it demands you call black, white; then you must comply, or suffer the consequences. If your eyes tell you one thing, but the collective media and elites tell you something else, “who you gonna believe, them or your lying eyes”?

    For “conservatism inc.” this state of affairs poses critical problems: the “movement” is more or less moribund, like a Persian eunuch at court, of little danger to the harem and of doubtful usefulness otherwise. Its stale ideas are not attractive to Millennials and offer no practical solutions to the challenges at hand. Indeed, in too many cases “establishment conservatives” and their Republican cohorts in Congress only serve to normalize each progressivist victory. Creative ideas from the Right only come nowadays from what is termed “the disauthorized Right,” from the nationalist Right (especially in Europe), and the populist and Old Right (here in the United States).

    Some “movement conservatives” have recognized this. And there has been recent talk about the “conservative movement” somehow harnessing the newly unleashed nationalism and populism—witness the recent efforts of Zionist scholar Yoram Hazony (The Virtue of Nationalism, 2018) to incorporate these tendencies into the conservative mainstream. A national conference on “nationalist conservatism” was held in Washington on July 14-16. But such attempts are essentially efforts by a “phony right” (as Paul Gottfried terms it) to once again derail real opposition to the Progressivist project and maintain control over disparate elements (and also deflect criticism of Israel, always a bugaboo for the Neoconservatives).

    Such efforts will ultimately fail, just as the creation of a new American nationalism will flounder, as well. Unlike most European nations which possess an organic history and common heritage, the United States has traveled too far down the road of unbridgeable division for a rooted nationalism to be successful. The disparities and extreme differences are far too great.

    It is time to look elsewhere for solutions.

    America in 2019 faces three possibilities for its future:

    (1) Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster; or (2) there must be a separation into independent jurisdictions of large portions of what is presently geographically the United States, including possible massive population exchanges—this separation/secession could be peaceable, although increasingly I think it would not be; or lastly, and worst, (3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.

    Given the present state of this nation, are there any other realistic possibilities? After all, despite the pious pining of the Neoconservative publicists that America is the world’s “exceptional” nation, the new Utopia, God did not grant us national eternity, did not guarantee our future. And our leaders and many of our citizens have done their damnedest to undo and undermine all those original hopes and promises.

    The modern American madness, the lunacy—and that is certainly what it is—increases exponentially, it seems, on a daily basis. There are so many examples of it, it is so rampant in our society, that our surprise and outrage have become inured: imagine something incredibly and impossibly awful and crazy…and, lo, it actually will happen in our insane society.

    There are only a very few things, a few statements by Abraham Lincoln that I can agree with. One of them is this (1858): “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

    The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us. And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.



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    Yes states should starting seceding starting with California. After all, most people that live there want to secede because of the whole Calexit movement. If California were to secede, it would open up the door for other states to do the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Yes states should starting seceding starting with California. After all, most people that live there want to secede because of the whole Calexit movement. If California were to secede, it would open up the door for other states to do the same thing.
    Cities are the problem....

    There are many good people in Ca., Ill. and possibly even NY..........Taxachusetts is beyond hope though.

    When the rural folks stop feeding the cities balance will be forthcoming.

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    Seems to me the simple solution would be for the socialists to go to Canada and at the same time Canada sends their conservatives to the US. A one for one swap seems like it would be a win-win.
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    The divisions are not geographical though. Divisions are economical, educational, urban vs rural, younger vs older,.... (and have always existed). There aren't places you can draw lines on a map to separate everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Cities are the problem....

    There are many good people in Ca., Ill. and possibly even NY..........Taxachusetts is beyond hope though.

    When the rural folks stop feeding the cities balance will be forthcoming.
    ^^^

    Eminent domain is more popular than ever, other than with those who are directly affected. The people and businesses affected will ultimately be assimilated, whether by relocation into permissible areas or forced to rely on government assist.

    Hind sight is 20/20 - well after it is far too late.

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    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The divisions are not geographical though. Divisions are economical, educational, urban vs rural, younger vs older,.... (and have always existed). There aren't places you can draw lines on a map to separate everybody.
    Yes there are.

    But the left will never agree to let the rest of us go.

    We should separate peacefully but instead we will fight and the outcome will decide whether we divide the territory, throw one side out or kill one side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes there are.

    But the left will never agree to let the rest of us go.

    We should separate peacefully but instead we will fight and the outcome will decide whether we divide the territory, throw one side out or kill one side.
    Where on the map would you draw the lines? Who are you willing to take up arms against? Or just making noise on the internet?

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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Where on the map would you draw the lines? Who are you willing to take up arms against? Or just making noise on the internet?

    There are quite a few solid blue states in the NE and solid blue border/coastal cities that could be allowed to secede peacefully for the good of both sides and to avoid bloodshed.

    But you leftists won't agree to that nor would you agree to red areas seceding so sooner or later one side or the other will start a war.
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    Welcome to the new United States of America and Red America. Not a very continuous pair of countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Welcome to the new United States of America and Red America. Not a very continuous pair of countries.

    Who said only two?

    And who said every blue/red area could be part of a matching country?

    No country is entirely homogeneous but separation would get us much closer.

    But you leftists won't let go so the future will be determined by wager of battle and the LORD of hosts.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Welcome to the new United States of America and Red America. Not a very continuous pair of countries.

    And?
    There is no discernable law binding us at ANY resolution
    There may as well be 330mm different color dots

    The line is around ME and my family
    Who would cross that line has taken up Arms against me and mine...what will you do zippy?
    Time is short and you aint getting out of this either, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO??? POST SOME CHARTS and lick the hand that feeds you???
    They dont need you anymore...

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Seems to me the simple solution would be for the socialists to go to Canada and at the same time Canada sends their conservatives to the US. A one for one swap seems like it would be a win-win.
    Well liberals did say that if Trump becomes president they'll move to Canada. From what I can tell, hardly any of them followed up on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Well liberals did say that if Trump becomes president they'll move to Canada. From what I can tell, hardly any of them followed up on that.
    Why do you hate Canada?

    I hear Venezuela is the social utopia. That, and excellent (free) healthcare in Cuba.

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    Nobody secedes and lives to tell about it. Ask the Confederacy.
    Do something Dodgers.



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    By Constitution, two thirds of states must agree before any one can leave.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    By Constitution, two thirds of states must agree before any one can leave.
    WRONG!
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Where on the map would you draw the lines? Who are you willing to take up arms against? Or just making noise on the internet?

    You can just label the southern half of The Land of Indians Oyarde .
    Do something Danke

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    Lines were drawn many years ago...

    The Mississippi runnin' Nawth and South and the Mason-Dixon runnin' east-n-west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Nobody secedes and lives to tell about it. Ask the Confederacy.
    Seems I remember some colonialists telling a King to go pound sand and, for a time, gaining independence. The Confederacy could have won theirs if they would have bet on a different hand then the one they played all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Nobody secedes and lives to tell about it. Ask the Confederacy.
    The 13 colonies seceded from the British and they lived to tell about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Lines were drawn many years ago...

    The Mississippi runnin' Nawth and South and the Mason-Dixon runnin' east-n-west.
    Um, no. That would mean the South gets Baltimore. No. Just no.
    Do something Dodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The 13 colonies seceded from the British and they lived to tell about it.
    That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.
    Do something Dodgers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The 13 colonies seceded from the British and they lived to tell about it.
    Yeah, but that was before this:


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    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.
    The industrial/logistic issues aren't so much in favor of the feds these days.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
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    Irrelevant.

    Do you support secession?
    Because it's pointless if you just allow the enemy to move in on you across open borders afterwards.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    That was then. Lincoln showed you that the union must be preserved and sent the army to make sure it was. The government has bigger weapons now.
    And have those bigger weapons allowed them to subjugate Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? How do the optics change when they begin using them on civilians? How many in the army would support or defect?
    It's much more complicated then saying "They have a mighty military." King George had one of the mightiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Irrelevant.

    Do you support secession?
    Because it's pointless if you just allow the enemy to move in on you across open borders afterwards.

    Secession? What? Are you still on dope?

    Son, you can’t even seastead a thousand miles out without threat of good ‘ol USofA. Take +$10,000 with you and see what happens. Take shy of $10,000 and you’re immediately suspicious with goons on your ass.

    I’ll tell ya what... once Property Rights (I know you hate that concept) become an afterthought, instead of a forgotten thought, let me know... then maybe your question will have some relevance.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Secession? What? Are you still on dope?

    Son, you can’t even seastead a thousand miles out without threat of good ‘ol USofA. Take +$10,000 with you and see what happens. Take shy of $10,000 and you’re immediately suspicious with goons on your ass.

    I’ll tell ya what... once Property Rights (I know you hate that concept) become an afterthought, instead of a forgotten thought, let me know... then maybe your question will have some relevance.
    Secession with a government is far more possible than seasteadding.

    You are just a destructive anarchist that doesn't want liberty.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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