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    Russia protests: Thousand arrests at Moscow rally

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49125045

    Police in Moscow have detained more than 1,000 people at a rally, in one of the biggest crackdowns in years.

    Demonstrators were dragged away from the city hall as security forces used batons against the crowd.

    People were protesting against the exclusion of opposition candidates from local polls. The opposition say they were barred for political reasons.

    Some of the candidates banned from standing in the 8 September election had been detained earlier.

    Officials disqualified about 30 people, saying they had failed to collect enough valid signatures to stand.



    At least 1,074 arrests were made at the banned rally, officials say, while monitors reported 1,007 detentions.

    Moscow's Mayor, Sergei Sobyanin, has called the demonstration a "security threat", and promised to maintain public order.

    Anger is widespread among opposition supporters at the way the city is run and the ruling United Russia party.

    Opposition leader Alexei Navalny, a fierce critic of President Vladimir Putin, was jailed for 30 days on Wednesday after calling for Saturday's unapproved demonstration.

    Mr Putin was on a trip to the Baltic Sea on Saturday for a dive in a submersible. "There are a lot of problems on Earth, so to diminish their amount one has to go up and deep down," he remarked.

    What happened this Saturday?
    Last Saturday, more than 20,000 Russians took to the streets, demanding fair elections, and dozens were arrested.

    It is unclear how many people turned up for the new unauthorised rally on 27 July but the numbers seem to have been sharply down.

    According to police, about 3,500 people gathered, including about 700 journalists.

    Police in riot gear pushed back the crowd from barriers surrounding the mayor's office in central Moscow, hauling off detainees to police stations.

    A number of protesters could be seen bleeding while at least two members of the security forces reportedly received eye injuries from pepper spray.

    A powerful message to the regions?
    Oleg Boldyrev, BBC News, Moscow

    No -one was under any illusion that the large gathering would impress authorities into letting people express themselves peacefully. This rally went very much the same way others have done - arbitrary detentions, standoffs, crowds breaking off into the side streets.

    The question is whether the anger over not being able to nominate a candidate - even for lower-level, city elections - would galvanise Muscovites into bigger, sustained expressions of dissent. After all, there are lots of residents not happy with the way Moscow government and Mayor Sobyanin run the city, or respond to popular concerns.



    Certainly, the would-be candidates, most of them seasoned anti-Putin activists, are hoping that the resentment will linger. That is exactly why policy handlers in the Kremlin are desperate to put a lid on it.

    With both Mr Putin's ratings falling and the United Russia party deeply unpopular, chanting crowds in the capital may send a very powerful message to other regions preparing to hold their elections.

    How did we get here?
    Local elections usually attract little attention in Russia.

    The Moscow authority does not control the city's budget or choose key official appointments, and previous votes have passed without major protests or press interest.

    But this year some Muscovites are infuriated at what they see as brazen attempts to disqualify independent politicians from running.

    Candidates were asked to collect 5,000 signatures to stand. This limit was made even harder to match because a signature "means volunteering one's personal information for the government's database of opposition supporters", democracy activist Vladimir Kara-Murza wrote in the Washington Post.

    Many candidates managed to meet the threshold but the electoral commission ruled some signatures ineligible, saying they were unclear or the addresses provided were incomplete, and barred the candidates from taking part.

    Opposition groups say the authorities had no reason to rule them ineligible - claims that electoral officials denied. "We have no reason to doubt our experts," commission member Dmitry Reut said, according to media reports.

    Mr Navalny, who addressed the crowds last Saturday, is not one of the candidates, although he stood in Moscow's mayoral elections in 2013 and won 27% of the vote in a result he disputed.

    Ella Pamfilova, the head of the electoral commission, said the protests would not change their decisions. "It doesn't matter, not even a bit of it," she said, dismissing the demonstrations as "political".

    The authorities banned this Saturday's rally on the grounds that there were threats of violence against the commission.

    Police then raided the homes of several opposition politicians, and called them in more for questioning.

    What's been the reaction?
    Election candidate and opposition leader Dmitry Gudkov tweeted that the council had "died under Putin".

    "The last illusion that we are able to participate legally in politics has disappeared."

    Some newspapers also denounced the raids. Novaya Gazeta ran the headline Moscow City Terror on Friday, while Vedomosti said authorities were using force to suppress the protest "having failed to counter it with political means".
    Video, more at link.



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    nice camo...

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Maybe you and some friends can lobby for a regime change revolution in Russia to make it safe for whatever your ideology might be.
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    Let your pussy riot, Zippy.

    It should make you feel a little inadequate knowing that the real progressives are out there battling the cops while you are just stuck in the "rear", doing your duty behind the computer screen in your smelly cubicle.
    "Every post is about Hillary and pedophilia. I love them both soooo much!!!!!!!" Zippyjuan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Maybe you and some friends can lobby for a regime change revolution in Russia to make it safe for whatever your ideology might be.
    Maybe we should follow Putin's example and not allow any opposition parties. Can't have any competition. More liberty for everyone! (government sanctioned liberty only).

    Putin apologists waste no time in responding to the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Putin apologists waste no time in responding to the thread.
    I don't see anyone "apologizing" for Putin.

    I believe most people here see Russia as a sovereign nation and leave them to see to their own affairs.

    It is called non-interventionalism.

    Ron Paul is a supporter of it.
    "Every post is about Hillary and pedophilia. I love them both soooo much!!!!!!!" Zippyjuan

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I don't see anyone "apologizing" for Putin.

    I believe most people here see Russia as a sovereign nation and leave them to see to their own affairs.

    It is called non-interventionalism.

    Ron Paul is a supporter of it.
    Who is calling for intervention? Is it wrong to point out anti- liberty?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    You and Pussy Riot might well be financed by the same players.

    Examples of foreign intervention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    You and Pussy Riot might well be financed by the same players.

    Examples of foreign intervention.
    Pussy Riot was a group of local girls protesting. That is a foreign invasion? I know protesting is definitely frowned upon in Russia. No local in his or her right mind would decide to dissent on their own. Dissent cannot be tolerated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Maybe we should follow Putin's example and not allow any opposition parties. Can't have any competition. More liberty for everyone! (government sanctioned liberty only).

    Putin apologists waste no time in responding to the thread.
    We can always depend on all varieties of neo-Trots to give us our daily dose of anti-Russia propaganda.

    Putin! Russia! Boogity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Maybe we should follow Putin's example and not allow any opposition parties.
    Wait, what? We have opposition parties?

    Did I miss something? When did that happen ... ?


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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49144327

    Alexei Navalny: Jailed Russian opposition head develops 'allergy'

    Russia's most prominent opposition figure, Alexei Navalny, has been taken from jail to a hospital in Moscow.

    Officials gave no details of his condition but Mr Navalny's spokeswoman said he had had an allergic reaction with severe facial swelling - something she said he had not experienced before.

    A hospital source told Russian media his condition was satisfactory,

    Mr Navalny was jailed for 30 days last week after calling for unauthorised protests, which took place on Saturday.

    More than 1,000 people were detained during demonstrations against the barring of opposition candidates in forthcoming local elections.

    The European Union criticised the "disproportionate" use of force against the protesters, saying it undermined the "fundamental freedoms of expression, association and assembly".

    How is Navalny being treated?

    Mr Navalny's spokeswoman, Kira Yarmysh, tweeted that the opposition leader had never experienced an allergic reaction before.

    He was being given the "necessary medical assistance" in a hospital ward under police protection, she said.

    Mr Navalny made his name in Russia as a grassroots anti-corruption campaigner who led the country's biggest street protests against President Vladimir Putin during the winter of 2011.

    He has been repeatedly jailed, usually for his involvement in unauthorised demonstrations, but also (at a retrial in 2017) for embezzlement in a case he says was farcical.

    His fraud conviction barred him from standing against Mr Putin in the 2018 presidential election.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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    Russian version of Guaido?

    Navalny received a scholarship to the Yale World Fellows program at Yale University in 2010.
    ...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
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    The protests in France now is being blacklisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Russian version of Guaido?
    Yes he is and whats worse about Navalny are his polices.
    -Navalny called for Russia to be in the EU
    -Strong supporter of NATO actions
    -Demanded a full withdrawn from Syria and removal Assad.


    His polices arent very well liked in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Pussy Riot was a group of local girls protesting. That is a foreign invasion? I know protesting is definitely frowned upon in Russia. No local in his or her right mind would decide to dissent on their own. Dissent cannot be tolerated.
    You mean those same Pussy Riot who were trained by local NGOs and were featured in a porn video?


    Dissent cannot be tolerated
    Dissenet is tolerated as long its approved and not supported by foreign NGOs. These protests happening in Russia are small.
    Alexei Navalny is not very liked in Russia.



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    Looks like either a mentally disturbed teenagers or junkie its rather to note that these NGOs are now using Junkies as protestors for their protests agaisnt the Russian govt. Not much difference from the Hong Kong protests.

    Oh and Zippy. The TheEconomist wrote an idiotic article. I will just quote that one part from it.


    "Sooner or later, a President Alexei Navalny or someone like him will look westwards. This is when the man or woman in the Oval Office should emulate Nixon - and go to Moscow"
    Its clear NeoCons, Regime Changers are hoping desperately that another Yeltsin puppet comes into power in Russia but that wont be happening. Regime Changers are wasting their moneys with these protests in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Russian version of Guaido?

    Navalny received a scholarship to the Yale World Fellows program at Yale University in 2010.
    ...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Yes he is and whats worse about Navalny are his polices.
    -Navalny called for Russia to be in the EU
    -Strong supporter of NATO actions
    -Demanded a full withdrawn from Syria and removal Assad.
    Well, I guess it's a good thing the US doesn't interfere in other countries' politics. You know, like Russia does ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Well, I guess it's a good thing the US doesn't interfere in other countries' politics. You know, like Russia does ...
    America loves to interfere in other countries' politics. Russia isn't the only nation though. Someone in their NGOs should explain why there were protesters in Hong Kong waving American/British/EU flags.

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    Meanwhile in France....

    I guess the yellow vest protests must be over.

    Nope, just no longer reporting on it.

    (course, they never really did report on it).


    Edit Beat me to it:
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    The protests in France now is being blacklisted.

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    Any of the countries of the world, these are yours to criticize. But thou shalt not speak ill of Russia or Putin. Thus sayeth the Lord.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Any of the countries of the world, these are yours to criticize. But thou shalt not speak ill of Russia or Putin.
    To hell with Putin.
    Russia doesn't have it's boot on my neck.
    It isn't systematically bankrupting the country I live in.
    It's not taking my money to make bombs to be dropped on innocents.

    In short, Putin and his goons aren't the ones pissing down my back and telling me it's raining.

    If that changes, just let me know and I'll be more than happy to start pissing right back at them.

    But until then ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thus sayeth the Lord.
    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in Russia's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own country's eye? Or how wilt thou say to Russia, Let me pull out the mote in thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own country's eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam in thine own country's eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote in Russia's eye. -- Matthew 7:3-5 [paraphrased and slightly modified, as I hope should be obvious ...]
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-28-2019 at 06:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Any of the countries of the world, these are yours to criticize. But thou shalt not speak ill of Russia or Putin. Thus sayeth the Lord.
    The world should be lucky that its Putin that is in charge and not some Warkish of Russia or something similar. Be thankful for that.



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