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    Trump Kills The Tea Party

    After all he is really bomb diggity good at bankruptcy....


    After claiming to be the greatest at just about everything, Donald Trump has finally found an area where he can stake a credible claim. By negotiating a disastrous budget deal with Democrats, the President could become the greatest creator of government debt in the history of the country. While Trump is selling the two-year deal as a major victory because it increases military spending and removes the possibility of a government shutdown for two years, in reality, the agreement to suspend the debt ceiling and push annual deficits even further above the trillion dollar mark may only succeed in destroying the Republican Party as we know it.

    The Tea Party wave of 2009 and 2010, a Republican movement born in reaction to the budget blowouts of the Obama Presidency, is now officially dead. It’s ironic that as Trump hammered the final nail into the Tea Party’s coffin, no one seemed happier than the corpse itself! There was hardly a word of discomfort from all the Republican Senators and Congressmen who had so loudly railed against debt when the other party occupied the White House. There is simply no legitimate way that Republicans will ever be able to argue again that they are the party of fiscal discipline. They may try, but only the most partisan and credulous voters will buy it.

    CNBC’s Rick Santelli, the unofficial godfather of the Tea Party, should at least speak a few words at its funeral, and perhaps take the opportunity to reconsider his admiration for the man who murdered it. But don’t hold your breath. Trump has accomplished something Obama never could: convincing Republicans to abandon any remaining conservative principals to support massive increases in the size of government, without any regard for how much money will have to be borrowed to make it possible!


    As I laid out in a commentary I wrote just before Trump took office in January of 2017, Republican bona fides on the issue of fiscal responsibility were never that strong to begin with. In fact, deficits have tended to expand faster under Republican presidents. Given the reputation of each party this may strike some as a surprise. But it makes sense when you consider the politics.

    In short, here’s how the two parties operate: Democrats promise to raise spending and raise taxes, Republicans promise to cut spending and cut taxes. But, whereas Democrats have generally succeeded in both of their aims when they have power, Republicans have just succeeded in cutting taxes BUT NOT spending. (spending cuts require politically difficult choices that are much harder to vote for than perennially popular tax cuts). This puts a giant thumb on the Republicans’ budgetary scale.

    Unlike prior Republicans, Trump never so much as paid a single word of lip service to spending cuts. As the self-proclaimed “King of Debt,” in the private sector Trump never had any problems borrowing more than he could reasonably be expected to pay back, as long as there was an opportunity to renegotiate with his creditors in the long run. Individually, he has been repudiating debt (largely without consequence) for the past 40 years, so why would anyone expect him to stop now?

    But deficits under Trump have expanded even faster than I had expected. The really alarming part is that this occurred with GDP growth higher than I anticipated, and without the additional red ink of a $1 trillion plus infrastructure spending plan that I had assumed would pass in the first two years of his presidency. If the economy slows significantly, as I suspect it will in the near term, we may see annual deficits in the multi-trillion dollar range almost immediately. Republicans and Democrats may be inclined to think that deficits of that size won’t matter either, but I suspect that they will. Linky for rest of aticle
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    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined



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    yup! try complaining about ANYTHING now to his "base" they dont care!

    cause he, and they, are democrats
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


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    The Tea Party was infiltrated and co-opted pretty much right from the start by neocons. The end game has arrived, with them currently calling for anyone “libertarian” to be purged from the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Tea Party was infiltrated and co-opted pretty much right from the start by neocons. The end game has arrived, with them currently calling for anyone “libertarian” to be purged from the GOP.
    Massie and Paul are next, no doubt. Waiting for the ''this isn't the hill to die on'' squad to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    The Tea Party wave of 2009 and 2010, a Republican movement born in reaction to the budget blowouts of the Obama Presidency, is now officially dead. It’s ironic that as Trump hammered the final nail into the Tea Party’s coffin, no one seemed happier than the corpse itself! There was hardly a word of discomfort from all the Republican Senators and Congressmen who had so loudly railed against debt when the other party occupied the White House.
    Indeed

    There is simply no legitimate way that Republicans will ever be able to argue again that they are the party of fiscal discipline. They may try, but only the most partisan and credulous voters will buy it.
    One would certainly hope so.

    If the economy slows significantly, as I suspect it will in the near term, we may see annual deficits in the multi-trillion dollar range almost immediately.
    From 2007 (bubble peak) to 2009 (bust trough), the deficit increased about 700%.

    In today's terms, that would mean a $7 trillion deficit.

    I don't expect it to be that high, but half that is very plausible, and more than enough to be devastating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    yup! try complaining about ANYTHING now to his "base" they dont care!

    cause he, and they, are democrats
    To be objective, that's because his base aren't made up of fiscal economic conservatives who have a basic understanding of the economy. It's made up of disenfranchised working class American's who want their jobs back and borders secured. Whether they are ignorant hypocrites or just don't care makes no difference.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Tea Party was infiltrated and co-opted pretty much right from the start by neocons. The end game has arrived, with them currently calling for anyone “libertarian” to be purged from the GOP.
    Buckley started that back in the late 50's. But I agree....even the little ground libertarians made back in since the turn of the century has probably seen it's end
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Massie and Paul are next, no doubt. Waiting for the ''this isn't the hill to die on'' squad to show up.
    Stop kidding yourself, nobody here gives a $#@! if anybody fights this bloated budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    To be objective, that's because his base aren't made up of fiscal economic conservatives who have a basic understanding of the economy. It's made up of disenfranchised working class American's who want their jobs back and borders secured. Whether they are ignorant hypocrites or just don't care makes no difference.
    That certainly applies to a lot of Trump supporters. But really, it’s a matter of priorities. Let’s be generous and assume that fiscal conservatism is something that most on the “right” really do agree with.

    The problem arises when the teocons immediately put fiscal conservatism on the back burner for their neoconservative foreign policy goals (think Cotton and Cruz for starters). And then they get their money and their policy. The age-old warfare/welfare “compromise”.

    Likewise, many Trump supporters put fiscal conservatism on the back burner because they believe it might lead to border security and immigration solutions, and hinder the onslaught of the Democratic Socialists. Unfortunately, they will probably get very little out of the deal.
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    DONALD JOHN TRUMP =/= TEA PARTY circa 2o10

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    i KNOW that DJT is worse than the RINOs the TEA PARTY took to task in 2010.
    Last edited by Aratus; 07-27-2019 at 05:59 PM. Reason: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    i think DJT is worse than the RINOs the TEA PARTY took to task in 2010.
    thank you for letting us know

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    thank you for letting us know
    HE ADDED TO THE DEBT... BIGLY. HUGELY. THUSLY. PERIOD.



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