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    Mueller: Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...-justice-after

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    07/24/19


    Former special counsel Robert Mueller on Wednesday said that he believes President Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice after he leaves office.

    “Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?” Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) asked Mueller during the former special counsel's testimony.

    “Yes,” Mueller replied.

    Buck appeared to be taken aback, and asked the question again, but adding whether Mueller believed a president could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office. The former special counsel again said he believed that was the case.

    Mueller has pointed to Department of Justice (DOJ) guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted as preventing his office from even considering whether to charge Trump with a crime.

    Buck had criticized Mueller earlier on in his line of questioning over his handling of the report.

    “Having reviewed your biography, it puzzles me why you handled your duties in this case the way you did,” the Republican lawmaker said.

    Buck hit the former special counsel for laying out instances where Trump may have committed obstruction of justice, but declining to make a decision on whether the president had actually committed obstruction.

    “By listing the 10 factual situations and not reaching a conclusion about the merits of the case, you unfairly shifted the burden of proof to the president, forcing him to prove his innocence while denying him a legal forum to do so,” Buck said.

    Mueller said that because of the DOJ guidance, “one of the tools that a prosecutor would use is not there.” And he said that his office “did not make that calculation” as to whether Trump had committed obstruction of justice.

    “You made the decision on the Russian interference, you could have indicted the president on that and you made the decision on that,” Buck said, pushing back. “But when it came to obstruction, you threw a bunch of stuff up against the wall to see what would stick. And that is fundamentally unfair.”

    “I would not agree with that characterization at all,” Mueller replied.

    Whether Trump would be charged with obstruction of justice were it not for the Justice Department guidance has been an area of focus for Democrats, some of whom are pushing to start impeachment proceedings against Trump in light of Mueller's findings.

    Hundreds of former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials have signed on to a letter saying that they believe Trump would have been charged with a crime were it not for the guidance.



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    Over what? they found no ties.

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    obstructing justice when the justice allegedly obstructed was injust. Lol.

    It's like a No knock warrant on the wrong house and the owner shoots the cop and they charge him with killing a police officer.
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    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
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    If they think Trump will go to jail after leaving office, they are sorely mistaken. It hasn't happened yet to any president, and I doubt its going to happen anytime soon.
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    The question and answer was a hypothetical, and nothing new, just stating the OLC opinion, but the fake news media gets to spin it.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Mueller said yesterday "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime" in regards to obstruction of justice.

    This leaves me wondering how Justin Amash was able to reach a determination that Mueller and his team of Clinton lawyers did not. Oh that's right... he has TDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    obstructing justice when the justice allegedly obstructed was injust. Lol.

    It's like a No knock warrant on the wrong house and the owner shoots the cop and they charge him with killing a police officer.
    Or charge you for "Resisting Arrest" without charging you with any other crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Or charge you for "Resisting Arrest" without charging you with any other crime.
    That's actually the better analogy. Thanks...
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined



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    The biggest story from this entire fiasco is that we are being gaslighted into believing that it's a prosecutor's job to exonerate people.
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