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    White Nationalist leader who once supported Trump now says he's playing a 'con game'

    White Nationalist leader Spencer who once said 'Hail Trump' now says he's playing a 'con game'. Video credit CNN:

    Video: White nationalist turns on Trump after racist tweets




    This is apparently a wide spread sentiment among Conservative/Right/Far Right circles looking at other recent headlines:


    David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar




    Coulter on Trump : "Joke presidency who scammed the American people"

    Either Trump never intended to build a wall and was scamming voters from the beginning or he hasn’t the first idea in how to get it done and no interest in finding out. My prediction is his support will evaporate and Trump will very likely not finish his term and definitely not be elected to a second term.”
    “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”
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    Spencer is playing a con game.

    Why is this trash being posted here?
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    CNN reports, you decide. CNN like Fauxnews is known to push lot of fakenews but this video clip appears to be real.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Spencer is playing a con game.

    How much trust do you put in current President's promises and statements?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Since he frequently contradicts himself his statements can't be trusted at all, you have to watch his actions to even guess about his positions or plans.

    Could be.




    BTW, have your views evolved on Spencer since this Foxnews report was posted here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Dartmouth College to host 'What's Up With White People?' event

    Are you "perplexed" by white people? Temple University sociologist Matt Wray may have the answers.
    Wray, a self-proclaimed "expert on whiteness," is set to hold a forum at Dartmouth College on Feb. 2 to figure out "What's Up With White People?"
    The talk will be open to the public as Wray provides a "field guide" to learn about "the different types of white people and how you can learn to spot them in their natural habitats.”
    Wray says the event will offer “a sociological and cultural analysis of what produces and sustains” certain “white social types” such as President Trump, transracial former NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal, white nationalist Richard Spencer and leftwing Social Justice Warriors.
    Wray's presentation, first reported by the College Fix, is set to conclude with “observations about the implications of white self-differentiation for social issues like immigration, mass incarceration, and the growing epidemic of self-destruction among whites.”

    More at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/20...ple-event.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Curious, how do you define 'trash'?
    Trash is implying that the racists you are spamming have anything of value to say.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post

    BTW, have your views evolved on Spencer since this Foxnews report was posted here:
    That post says nothing about my view of Spencer.
    I have always had a low opinion of him.

    You seem to admire him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trash is implying that the racists you are spamming have anything of value to say.
    So is your position that 'racists' cannot have anything of value to say?

    I take it from your strong reaction that you have very little tolerance racist speech and you champion racial equality.
    If so, do you think folowing was racist view of the tweeter or just a con to attract racists to his future political campaign?



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So is your position that 'racists' cannot have anything of value to say?

    I take it from your strong reaction that you have very little tolerance racist speech and you champion racial equality.
    If so, do you think folowing was racist view of the tweeter or just a con to attract racists to his future political campaign?


    We discussed this before, that isn't racist, it incorrectly implies that Americans are racist.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    So, now everyone that is against Trump is on the same side as the white nationalist, and coming from a Left side point of view, that makes them a white nationalist, too.... right?
    If the stampman tells you to kiss his ass, shall he get away with it and live? Don't let your courage cool, or a few bullies scare you. We've nothing to fear but slavery. Love your liberty, and fight for it like men who know its value. Once lost it will never, never be regained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So, now everyone that is against Trump is on the same side as the white nationalist, and coming from a Left side point of view, that makes them a white nationalist, too.... right?
    Not everyone and it's not as simplistic.


    07/16/2019

    Anthony Scaramucci Calls Trump Attack On 4 Democrats ‘Racist And Unacceptable’

    The former White House communications director joined those condemning the man he briefly served.

    By Antonia Blumberg
    Former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci condemned President Donald Trump’s racially charged attacks on a group of Democratic congresswomen of color, calling the comments by the man he briefly worked for “racist and unacceptable.”

    “Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant ― whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to ‘go back to your country’?” Scaramucci tweeted on Tuesday. “No. That’s why the comments were racist and unacceptable.”


    He continued: “America is a nation of immigrants founded on the ideals of free thought and free speech.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/antho...b085eda5a2c994


    When topic involves politicians (whose words are not even trusted by their hardcore pro-diversity supporters) get accused of playing 'con games'/being 'fake racist' by their racist supporters, things get complicated quickly. Much of it looks like 3D chess and some of the former supporters seems to have got tired of 'winning' already.

    Topic could be simplified by saying that some of the Far Right supporters of MAGA are ditching him claiming that he's playing 'con game' with them and that his statements are like a 'drunkard uncle watching Hannity'. That plus Ann Coulter/SteveBannon alienation can spell big trouble at the polls.

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    Let's play the game 'Can I extract a racist statement from you?!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So, now everyone that is against Trump is on the same side as the white nationalist, and coming from a Left side point of view, that makes them a white nationalist, too.... right?
    Meh...I'm not even going to play that game.

    I remain mostly neutral.

    The only thing the Drunken Monkey has done in this regard is to wake up the insane, burning, murderous hatred that the committed Bolshevik/Jacobin crowd has for anybody who is anything close to a freedom person.

    I honestly didn't think it was there...really...I thought enough people could unite under a banner of liberty and freedom and non interventionism to turn the county around.

    I have been spectacularly wrong about some things in my life...getting married the first time while drunk and on drugs, the 2016 election...but this...this...shoo buddy...was I $#@!ing wrong about that.

    These $#@!ing $#@!s will kill us when they get the power to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Meh...I'm not even going to play that game.

    I remain mostly neutral.

    The only thing the Drunken Monkey has done in this regard is to wake up the insane, burning, murderous hatred that the committed Bolshevik/Jacobin crowd has for anybody who is anything close to a freedom person.

    I honestly didn't think it was there...really...I thought enough people could unite under a banner of liberty and freedom and non interventionism to turn the county around.

    I have been spectacularly wrong about some things in my life...getting married the first time while drunk and on drugs, the 2016 election...but this...this...shoo buddy...was I $#@!ing wrong about that.

    These $#@!ing $#@!s will kill us when they get the power to do so.
    That's been the real goal of all leftist movements since the French Revolution.

    They usually hide it until they have all the power but Trump is exposing them while we still have time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Not everyone and it's not as simplistic.



    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/antho...b085eda5a2c994


    When topic involves politicians (whose words are not even trusted by their hardcore pro-diversity supporters) get accused of playing 'con games'/being 'fake racist' by their racist supporters, things get complicated quickly. Much of it looks like 3D chess and some of the former supporters seems to have got tired of 'winning' already.

    Topic could be simplified by saying that some of the Far Right supporters of MAGA are ditching him claiming that he's playing 'con game' with them and that his statements are like a 'drunkard uncle watching Hannity'. That plus Ann Coulter/SteveBannon alienation can spell big trouble at the polls.
    I know, it was sarcasm, mocking the way they rationalize everything so simplistically when it suits their purpose.

    Here, he supports Trump, or at least he did a couple years ago when CNN interviewed him.

    If the stampman tells you to kiss his ass, shall he get away with it and live? Don't let your courage cool, or a few bullies scare you. We've nothing to fear but slavery. Love your liberty, and fight for it like men who know its value. Once lost it will never, never be regained.
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    Following post is dedicated to Kelly Conway's strong leadership on White House repoters' 'ethnicity studies'.


    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Let's play the game 'Can I extract a racist statement from you?!'
    Ok, I'll play

    Why White Nationalis like Richard Spencer, David Duke supported Trump in 2016 but call him a 'con' now?

    Why Ann Coulter worshiped Trump in 2016 and now calls him an 'idiot' now?


    I'm not good at this game LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's been the real goal of all leftist movements since the French Revolution.

    They usually hide it until they have all the power but Trump is exposing them while we still have time.
    And the hell of it is that I don't even think that was his intent, as much as I can glean any intent at all from his wild peregrinations.

    I feel like Capt. Willard addressing Col. Kurz, when I try to decipher what the hell he's up to:



    Regardless, it is what it is...to ignore the enemy right in our face at this point means you are either insane or a poltroon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And the hell of it is that I don't even think that was his intent, as much as I can glean any intent at all from his wild peregrinations.

    I feel like Capt. Willard addressing Col. Kurz, when I try to decipher what the hell he's up to:



    Regardless, it is what it is...to ignore the enemy right in our face at this point means you are either insane or a poltroon.
    He's either crazy or crazy like a fox and you can't prove it either way.

    But whatever you think of Trump I see the hand of GOD giving us a fighting chance.

    I pray it isn't wasted.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Following post is dedicated to Kelly Conway's strong leadership on White House repoters' 'ethnicity studies'.




    Ok, I'll play

    Why White Nationalis like Richard Spencer, David Duke supported Trump in 2016 but call him a 'con' now?

    Why Ann Coulter worshiped Trump in 2016 and now calls him an 'idiot' now?


    I'm not good at this game LOL
    I don't know.

    I don't care.

    Next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Following post is dedicated to Kelly Conway's strong leadership on White House repoters' 'ethnicity studies'.




    Ok, I'll play

    Why White Nationalis like Richard Spencer, David Duke supported Trump in 2016 but call him a 'con' now?

    Why Ann Coulter worshiped Trump in 2016 and now calls him an 'idiot' now?


    I'm not good at this game LOL
    They were moles planted in the movement to undermine it if he won.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's either crazy or crazy like a fox and you can't prove it either way.

    But whatever you think of Trump I see the hand of GOD giving us a fighting chance.

    I pray it isn't wasted.
    Let's hope so.

    If the Bolsheviks/Jacobins ever link up with the police state, we're well and truly $#@!ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's either crazy or crazy like a fox and you can't prove it either way.

    But whatever you think of Trump I see the hand of GOD giving us a fighting chance.

    I pray it isn't wasted.
    Well, it was nice knowing you all ...

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    From what I can tell, racists don't exactly have anything of value to say.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Richard Spencer is a Socialist. I cannot believe he supported Ron Paul & Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Richard Spencer is a Socialist. I cannot believe he supported Ron Paul & Trump.
    And he is an imperialist who favors a centralized state. These views are vastly more dangerous than his views on race.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Richard Spencer is a Socialist. I cannot believe he supported Ron Paul & Trump.

    In case of Trump, at least there can be plausible explanation for socialists/liberals/SJWs/Dems to support him; he has held various liberal socialist progressive positions for most of his life and has funded ultra liberal socialist politicians for decades (not just Schumer and Hillary Clinton).




    Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee

    Extremist conservative mole Steve Bannon even used to call current senior MAGA White House leadership "democrats", fortunately he has been kicked out and put in his place.

    How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?


    Conceding that top leadership of GOP-Adelson wing used to be left wing Dems not too long ago, it is not clear if that is a large factor for GOP's move left. Part of it could be just due to passage of time.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

    "As he (Trump) launched his campaign, the conservative National Review reported that he was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009 and praised a Canadian-style universal health care system. Party affiliation in the United States is usually changed by ticking a box while registering to vote and doesn't imply any financial contribution. However Trump has also shown a willingness to contribute considerable sums to Democratic causes - including Hillary Clinton's campaign for Senate in 2002."


    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It's actually very simple. Instead of running as a Democrat, he is running GOP, so he must attack the Democrats. Some of his kids didn't get the memo though.


    People have ability to change, democrats can become conservative Republicans sometimes.
    Don't understand why some conservative purists keep calling them Democrats even now.



    For some of Berners it may make sense though to keep it in the 'liberal Democrat values family' sort of . Biden may offer lip service but his commitment to our closest ally is doubtful but in case of MAGA there is no doubt that he'll stand with our closest ally. Heaven forbid if Deep Stage managed to derail MAGA 2020 run, Berners 3rd choice probably would be Cory Booker.. another solid supporter of our closest ally and brings pretty much same liberal social democrat values to the table as Bernie and GOP-Jarvanka wing.



    Trump to host fundraiser for Booker





    Top Trump donor is pro-choice, self-described 'social liberal'
    LAS VEGAS – The most influential donor in the Republican Party is a self-described “social liberal” who supports abortion-on-demand and “cradle-to-grave” national health care.

    Meet the wealthy donor who's trying to get Republicans to support gay marriage
    washingtonpost
    Apr 4, 2014 - It especially fits with his role as one of the foremost backers of LGBT .... Like fellow Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, Singer is staunchly ...




    Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad
    Sep 22, 2016
    https://forward.com/news/israel/3504...with-gay-dads/



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    10/26/2018

    Trump hosts Black Lives Matter activist at the White House



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    But whatever you think of Trump I see the hand of GOD giving us a fighting chance.

    Great minds think alike, MAGA's top donor and Israel's richest person Adelson also sees G-d's hand in MAGA's policies.

    Curious, do you also consider yourself a Zionist like Adelson and support MAGA's mideast interventions policies to defend our closest ally (vizavee Iran sanctions/military build up, Golan Heights, US Embassy move to Jerusalem, $38B taxpayers aid to support Israel's occupation of people of non-chosen Palestinian races etc. ) ?

    I take it from your strong reaction that you have very little tolerance racist speech and you champion racial equality.
    Do you see all races as equal ( i.e., no race is more chosen or supremacist than others)?


    Deifying the American President: Miriam Adelson Doubles Down on 'Book of Trump'


    Allison Kaplan Sommer
    Jul 08, 2019



    U.S. President Donald Trump presents the Presidential Medal of Freedom to physician Miriam Adelson, wife of Sheldon Adelson, during an East Room ceremony, in Washington, DC., on November 16, 2018.ALEX WONG / AFP


    Donald Trump’s presidency represents “a time of miracles” for Israel, the United States and the world, and perhaps someday a chapter of the Bible — a “Book of Trump” — should be written celebrating his accomplishments.
    Such was the suggestion of Israeli-American megadonor Miriam Adelson, as set out in a praise-laden article published in the two newspapers she owns in both countries.
    The piece, which appeared this weekend in the Las Vegas Review Journal, after running in the free newspaper Israel Hayom, enumerated what Adelson views as Trump’s gifts to Israel, and bemoaned the fact that he doesn’t receive the support among American Jews that she believes he deserves.
    “Scholars of the Bible will no doubt note the heroes, sages and prophets of antiquity who were similarly spurned by the very people they came to raise up,” Adelson wrote. “Would it be too much to pray for a day when the Bible gets a 'Book of Trump,' much like it has a 'Book of Esther,' celebrating the deliverance of the Jews from ancient Persia?”
    >> Read more: Miriam Adelson's bat mitzvah – or a wonderful night for U.S.-Israel relationsWhat happens when pro-Trump Christians weaponize the Bible | Opinion
    Adelson’s words echoed a common refrain among U.S. evangelical circles and Trump advisers, comparing the president to various biblical figures, particularly with respect to his policies regarding Israel. After his 2017 recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Trump has repeatedly been compared by evangelicals and Jews on the religious right to Persia’s King Cyrus II, who allowed the Jews to return to their land and rebuild their Temple, with some even suggesting that Trump was, in fact, Cyrus reincarnated. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu referred to that comparison himself, telling Trump he would be remembered for his declaration concerning Jerusalem much as King Cyrus himself had been.

    For his part, U.S. ambassador David Friedman, speaking at the AIPAC policy conference earlier this year, compared Trump to King David, noting that the legendary Jewish leader “recognized that Israel’s enemies would seek to undermine the centrality of Jerusalem to the State of Israel and to mischaracterize and vilify the Jewish state. He sought God’s intervention for something simple and basic that we not fall for it, that we continue to see the holiness, the beauty, the sanctity of life, and, yes, the good in Jerusalem. I’d like to think that God has blessed the Trump administration in this very manner.”



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