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Thread: Rand Paul angles to become Trump's emissary to Iran

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Then how do you explain the price of oil dropping after this appointment?
    Price of oil rose when Hurricane Barry passed through the Gulf of Mexico caused almost all US oil and gas production there to shut down as a precaution. As that has been coming back online, the price has been going back down.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/15/hurr...o-restart.html

    Oil and gas producers in the Gulf of Mexico restart after Barry


    U.S. oil companies on Monday began restoring some of the more than nearly 74% production shut at U.S. Gulf of Mexico platforms ahead of Hurricane Barry, the U.S. offshore drilling regulator said.

    There was 1.3 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil production off line in the U.S.-regulated areas of the Gulf of Mexico on Monday, about 80,000 barrels less than on Sunday, according to the U.S. Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement (BSEE).

    Workers also were returning to the more than 280 production platforms that had been evacuated. It can take several days for full production to be resumed after a storm leaves the Gulf of Mexico.
    More at link.


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oi...ort-2019-07-15

    Oil prices end lower after last week’s gains as Gulf storm threat passes

    Oil futures settled lower Monday, giving back a portion of last week’s sizable gains, as production in the Gulf of Mexico began a post-storm recovery.

    “Near-term, the trend is still higher, but the combination of formidable technical resistance in the mid $60s [for WTI] and persistent demand concerns due to the trade war will likely prevent prices from making new highs for the year,” said Tyler Richey, co-editor at Sevens Report Research.
    Gulf of Mexico oil production had taken a “temporary plunge due to Hurricane Barry,” said Robbie Fraser, senior commodity analyst at Schneider Electric. Barry, however, was downgraded to a tropical depression by Monday.

    Oil and natural-gas output in the Gulf was picking up, with about 69% of Gulf oil production and nearly 61% of natural-gas production shut in, according to the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement Monday. That marked an improvement from Sunday, when almost 73% of oil and 62% of natural-gas output was down.

    “The storm will likely skew [Energy Information Administration’s] storage numbers for the next couple reports, as demand, supply, imports, exports, and domestic production will all be [affected] by the slowdown in The Gulf,” wrote Robert Yawger, director of energy at Mizuho USA, in a Monday research note.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-18-2019 at 12:41 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Libertea Party View Post
    Discussion from other thread...

    Keeping in view the golden 'follow the money' rule, be careful what you wish for ; if this materializes, he could end up being emissary of notorious Iran war championing neocon Adelson who is top donor of GOP-MAGA/Neocon-Lite wing.
    MAGA is supposed to be more gutsy than Rand and even he escalated purposeless and wasteful war in Afghanistan, recently bombed Syria ( reportedly on Ivanka's advice) and has currently put up harsh sanctions and military buildup around Iran that carries risk of accidental war spark even if neocons still feel being deterred by America's wars fatigue. Does Rand have what it takes to to stand up to billionaire Adelson or even Ivanka?
    ..
    I want to remain skeptical on this but feel slightly optimistic that this could nudge things in a better direction. Neocons won't be avoiding any new major wars out of goodness of their hearts or for concern for humanity ; they are basically fully discredited now and will get rebuke from everywhere pretty much. It was almost a miracle that they are even getting a seat at any table courtesy of team MAGA/neocon Adelson's funding to a confused directionsless GOP following Bush-Obama.

    But now if this is genuine shift in foreign policy, could be the beginning of the end of influence of Deep Zionism on GOP-MAGA wing. Maybe that's bit too optimistic. But recent take down of child rapist and zionism causes funder billioniare Epstein, resignataion of MAGA Labor Sec Acosta and vanishing of Dershowitz on Fauxnews probably will further demoralize Israel-Firster lobbies/pepertual neocons. Part of credit for this goes to Patriot wing of Deep State, without their efforts Deep Zionism won't have had these setbacks.
    In any case, let's hope for peace everywhere and better sense to prevail.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Libertea Party View Post
    One take is that this was leaked to discredit the whole initiative. This is politically courageous of Rand Paul. I don't see much upside for him in doing this from a selfish political perspective. A true statesman-like gesture. The neocons will smear him mercilessly in primaries.

    The neocons and teocons hammered Rand mercilessly yesterday on this. Mark Levin had an emotional outburst, smearing Rand, defaming Ron, and mentioned newsletters. Don’t ever mistake the fact that neocons and teocons have priorities that outweigh everything else. You could agree with a teocon on 90% of the issues, but if you disagree with their belief that certain other nations must be destroyed, they lose their minds. Levin not only wants to police the world, he wants to destroy parts of it (along with anyone who dares question the benefits, costs and consequences of such aggression).

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    From a press conference earlier today:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-in-talks-with

    More at link.
    Mission accomplished, eh comrade Zippy?
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Then how do you explain the price of oil dropping after this appointment?
    Coincidental timing. There was no sudden drop with the claimed nomination but a continuation from the previous several days following the passage of the storm.

    Link to oil price chart- click "one week" to see things better: https://markets.businessinsider.com/...price?type=wti
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-18-2019 at 12:28 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Those two posts that NCL posted were from 2012 and 2015. Rand was not cozying up then. Why didn't you like him long before Trump?
    To me he had drifted too far into falling in line with the Republican establishment than upholding the views of his father. Some here might be OK with that, I wasn’t a fan of it.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefJustice View Post
    To me he had drifted too far into falling in line with the Republican establishment than upholding the views of his father. Some here might be OK with that, I wasn’t a fan of it.
    Some expected/ hoped he would be just like his father but he isn't. He takes some things from his father but is generally more of a mainstream Republican. He is not a neo- Conservative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I stand with Rand!

    Me too.
    People change, moderated neocons/foreign lobbies funded politicians can be given a chance but with caution.



    Un-Related

    Rand says Trump would be worst GOP nominee ever

  10. #38
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-in-talks-with

    hopes this happens lessened

    someone has to ask Rand

    Trump will not confirm

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Then how do you explain the price of oil dropping after this appointment?
    Isn't the price established by OPEC at the end of the year during their meetings?

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    Rand better hurry up.
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    Iran's FM Zarif Was Secretly Invited By Rand Paul To Meet Trump In Oval Office



    After rejecting the surprise overture for direct negotiations, Zarif was sanctioned this week by US Treasury.
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  16. #43

    Free the People: "Can Rand Paul Avert War with Iran?"

    Matt Kibbe interviews Senator Rand Paul.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE4z...ature=youtu.be

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