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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    That would require a level of skill.
    My weapon only requires the will to permanently maim someone.
    (and somebody pointing a gun in my face is certain to give me the courage to destroy them)
    Even a child could use it with the same result.
    No aiming or anything required.
    Very easy. Always on the ready.
    Only drawback is it only has a range of about 10 feet at best.
    A hand grenade?
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    So your weapon is something most people aren't familiar with?
    Hot Tea / coffee.

    I go in the back, nuke it to boil, (15 - 20 seconds at most because I always keep it hot) and watch the security footage when someone sketch walks in.

    Hands up with "coffee" in hand. Whatever you say mister, safe is back here.

    Feign cowardice, give them a shaky voice and insist I don't want trouble. The chance will present itself to get them in the face.

    I have never let a chance to be a hero go to waste. They are precious moments in life, and I have seized the few that have presented themselves to me. 2 for 1. (one runner got away when he ran into busy four lane traffic, so I stopped).

    No way I'm gonna let a piece of $#@! point a gun in my face, and get away with it.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    In defensee of Pc, the strategy of nonviolent direct action when you actually think about it is completely insane.
    Exactly,,and have been down that road.

    there is no "fixing" it.

    Remove it. and then prevent its return.

    and I have been waiting for the folks WITH Guns to do something.

    and I got crickets
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Exactly,,and have been down that road.

    there is no "fixing" it.

    Remove it. and then prevent its return.

    and I have been waiting for the folks WITH Guns to do something.

    and I got crickets
    Yeah, I hated the cops because of people like you.
    I hung out with them gangstas and the bums, because we smoked weed other drugs and $#@! the police.
    I listened to their stories about cops being dicks and all that.
    And I had dozens of run ins with cops during my youth.
    Mouthy every time. Max fine every time.

    Yeah, you want people to fight your revolution for you.
    To die for you. Because you $#@!ed your life up.

    I'd tell you to start it off yourself, but I don't want to encourage another tard killing innocents.
    It is time for some serious introspection.

    And I thought I was a revolutionary when I defied the cops.

    Then I thought about who I was fighting for.

    I would never stick a gun in some poor souls face to take things, to have things, or drugs, or anything.
    Un-man some 9-5er just doing their job.
    I would never break into someones house. I would never even shoplift.
    Yet here I was thinking I was gonna fight for those who would do that to me.

    No thanks.
    I have no interest in killing for you, much less dying for you.

    It's a dog eat dog world. Every man is out for his own self. That's how it works.
    Revolutionaries fight for ideals, only to be thrown away at the end by their puppet masters.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A hand grenade?
    I don't think he would choose a weapon where he could possibly be in the blast radius.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Exactly,,and have been down that road.

    there is no "fixing" it.

    Remove it. and then prevent its return.

    and I have been waiting for the folks WITH Guns to do something.

    and I got crickets
    Never say never-

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post

    It's a dog eat dog world. Every man is out for his own self. That's how it works.
    Revolutionaries fight for ideals, only to be thrown away at the end by their puppet masters.
    Preach it Union Punk.. That is what killed Detroit.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Preach it Union Punk.. That is what killed Detroit.
    It's the bedrock of Libertarian economic philosophy.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It's the bedrock of Libertarian economic philosophy.
    Bull$#@!..unions are bedrock socialist breeding grounds.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    It's all about Freedom

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Bull$#@!..unions are bedrock socialist breeding grounds.
    I was talking about

    It's a dog eat dog world. Every man is out for his own self. That's how it works.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Bull$#@!..unions are bedrock socialist breeding grounds.
    What great revolution, should I take up arms for, pcosmar? Tell me, where to fight, and where to die.
    Tell me who my enemies are.
    You want the revolution, name all who must die.
    Let's see that giant list you got stashed away in your head.
    I'm far from fed, and I certainly don't want you answering, for your sake and mine.

    You want the guns out for what?
    I know what it is. I always suspected it. You need the game to reset.
    The lumpen proletariat. Unreliable, selfish, undisciplined. Long on ideas, and short on work.

    Get them demographic cards all played right, and you got a suicidal world.
    $#@! Amash, $#@! the civil war. Take that bull$#@! back to Israel/palestine where it belongs.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Megyn Kelly also became a household name on her way to becoming unemployed. She lost the trust of Republicans and never gained the trust of Democrats. Not a good place to be in political television.
    Unemployment? lol I'm sure she was heartbroken when her $60 million NBC pay-off, for her role in getting Trump elected, hit. Teleprompter reading whores for hire is all "media" is.

    Maybe Amash will be able to turn this into a gig as an NBC talk show host, but I don't see that being successful.

    Sometimes bad things happen to people and it isn't a part of some grander plan or purpose. Being a household name isn't necessarily a step to something better... just ask Larry Craig.
    I guess we will see, won't we? Amash knew what the reaction would be. Perhaps he's learned a thing or two about politics in his years on the Hill and is using Trump and the very predictable apoplectic reaction from the Trumpkins to raise his profile? We shall see...
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I guess we will see, won't we? Amash knew what the reaction would be. Perhaps he's learned a thing or two about politics in his years on the Hill and is using Trump and the very predictable apoplectic reaction from the Trumpkins to raise his profile? We shall see...
    Better not be aiding and abetting the crooks who spied on and tried to take down the president of the United States. This better be pure stupid strategy.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Better not be aiding and abetting the crooks who spied on and tried to take down the president of the United States. This better be pure stupid strategy.
    Give the deep state coup nonsense a rest when you're talking to me. Only the low-infos believe that.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Give the deep state coup nonsense a rest when you're talking to me. Only the low-infos believe that.
    You got me. This is some serious Amash 25d-chess strategizing. He gonna take Trump down by gathering up all the never Trumpers and Republicans and civil libertarians and spoil it for Trump, and give it to anybody but Trump. Then finally you'll get to laugh at the Trump cultists cry.

    And I say go for it. Sun Tzu says never take advice from an enemy, and also says never interrupt an enemy while making a mistake.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Amash also seems to have no idea about how to make progress toward his goals while Ron and Rand do.
    True. Amash's hissy fit boils down to ignorance and misplaced expectations. Ron Paul understood that the Republican Party is (and always was) a party that advocates for nationalized public policy, protectionist trade, foreign intervention and central banking. His goal was to transform it. Amash seems to think that the Republican Party had some vague golden age of free market libertarianism and now that party has left HIM. No. He just failed miserably to obtain what Ron Paul started.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    my only beef with Amash is he called for Trumps impeachment. I understand open border libertarians, and that is just a difference of opinion. Especially si9nce I used to be one, and have read multiple books on the subject of immigration.
    I don't, but that's another topic for another day.

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    But to reward the crooks who tried to frame and destroy the duly elected president of the Untied States is unforgivable. Any other president, I *might* have been oK with it, because they were all deep state puppets, but Trump is different, and I'll not have it.
    Amash is a politican. He is not a statesman. He will advocate for the police state if it suits his personal goals. As we see, Amash has given up on improving America. You're right. This is a line-cross that is genuinely unforgivable for someone in Congress.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Amash is a politican. He is not a statesman. He will advocate for the police state if it suits his personal goals. As we see, Amash has given up on improving America. You're right. This is a line-cross that is genuinely unforgivable for someone in Congress.
    I am genuinely curious. Are you positing that you have or will have done more in impeding or rolling back, say, the police state in your entire life than Justin Amash has done in eight years?

    If you want to say that it was stupid of Amash for doing what he did- there is no question there is an argument to be made. But to act like Trump isn't actively destroying freedom (anti-free trade, anti-2nd Amendment, drone war escalation, etc.) while Justin Amash has spent his time in Congress actively being a wrench in the gears is downright special. The man camped out numerous times to ensure that bills were not passed in secret. Not because he had to or because it was politically convenient, I'd add.

    You don't think Trump should be indicted/impeached for Obstruction of Justice? Cool. Neither do I. He ought to be tried as a war criminal. I piss obstructions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Where are all the pearl clutchers rushing to condemn this vile attack on Rand?

    Where are you @acptulsa ?

    You should go make a petition about it right away!

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Hot Tea / coffee.

    I go in the back, nuke it to boil, (15 - 20 seconds at most because I always keep it hot) and watch the security footage when someone sketch walks in.

    Hands up with "coffee" in hand. Whatever you say mister, safe is back here.

    Feign cowardice, give them a shaky voice and insist I don't want trouble. The chance will present itself to get them in the face.

    I have never let a chance to be a hero go to waste. They are precious moments in life, and I have seized the few that have presented themselves to me. 2 for 1. (one runner got away when he ran into busy four lane traffic, so I stopped).

    No way I'm gonna let a piece of $#@! point a gun in my face, and get away with it.
    That has to be the most assured way to get shot that I could imagine (though it would be funnier than hell if you actually pulled it off).

    For God's sake, get a pistol. There's no need to be a martyr for what amounts to worthless property that I assume is not even yours. From a capitalist perspective too, you die trying to defend a few hundred or thousand dollars and the business will lose that in higher insurance costs, the lost sales that will result, etc.

    For example, if you get stabbed trying to defend a beer run out... is that really economically sensible from the business owner's perspective? They probably would rather have lost the beer (and obviously your life and human life are worth far more than material goods). Or if the person runs into traffic, gets hit, dies, or lives, and he or his family sues the establishment alleging overzealous and/or unfounded reasoning for chasing him into traffic. At the very least court costs will mount up (even if the establishment wins) and you'll be terminated for whatever reason is available.

    What I'm thinking reading this is that it should be an advertisement for GOA. Anti-gunners have gone so far that people contemplate throwing hot coffee in someone's face to defend themselves against violence. If that doesn't make people reexamine this ridiculousness I don't know what would.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    That has to be the most assured way to get shot that I could imagine (though it would be funnier than hell if you actually pulled it off).

    For God's sake, get a pistol. There's no need to be a martyr for what amounts to worthless property that I assume is not even yours. From a capitalist perspective too, you die trying to defend a few hundred or thousand dollars and the business will lose that in higher insurance costs, the lost sales that will result, etc.

    For example, if you get stabbed trying to defend a beer run out... is that really economically sensible from the business owner's perspective? They probably would rather have lost the beer (and obviously your life and human life are worth far more than material goods). Or if the person runs into traffic, gets hit, dies, or lives, and he or his family sues the establishment alleging overzealous and/or unfounded reasoning for chasing him into traffic. At the very least court costs will mount up (even if the establishment wins) and you'll be terminated for whatever reason is available.

    What I'm thinking reading this is that it should be an advertisement for GOA. Anti-gunners have gone so far that people contemplate throwing hot coffee in someone's face to defend themselves against violence. If that doesn't make people reexamine this ridiculousness I don't know what would.
    1. boiling water to the face is the end of any persons ability to shoot.
    2. It's not about property, its about disrespect. Anyway, I work with "metals" and "3d modeling"
    3. Holding a cup of boiling water in your hand will not even register as a weapon to an armed robber.
    4. firing off a weapon in a public area has a chance of hitting innocent bystanders, and often will stop somebody from firing.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    I am genuinely curious. Are you positing that you have or will have done more in impeding or rolling back, say, the police state in your entire life than Justin Amash has done in eight years?
    At the very least he did not contribute to supporting policies that will reverse everything Amash has done on that front. Wake up, Amash spent his career supporting policies that will ensure a future of Democratic socialist victories and growing government. He continues to do so with his statements. This means all he has done in eight years to roll-back the police state means very little and no doubt will be rolled back eventually. Face it, he conned us.

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    Unemployment? lol I'm sure she was heartbroken when her $60 million NBC pay-off, for her role in getting Trump elected, hit. Teleprompter reading whores for hire is all "media" is.



    I guess we will see, won't we? Amash knew what the reaction would be. Perhaps he's learned a thing or two about politics in his years on the Hill and is using Trump and the very predictable apoplectic reaction from the Trumpkins to raise his profile? We shall see...
    I think its funny that NBC was stupid enough to hire her and now they have to pay her for not working. Unfortunately for Amash, he has no such contract.

    We certainly will see what happens with Amash and I suspect there won't be much to see. Most likely he will fade away. Just another lost libertarian voice. Maybe he can get a job wherever the Southern Avenger works.
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think its funny that NBC was stupid enough to hire her and now they have to pay her for not working. Unfortunately for Amash, he has no such contract.

    We certainly will see what happens with Amash and I suspect there won't be much to see. Most likely he will fade away. Just another lost libertarian voice. Maybe he can get a job wherever the Southern Avenger works.
    The Neocons and Never Trumpers in both parties are salivating over the prospect of Amash running third party. His support from that contingent says allot about Amash. If he does they are going to be in for a surprise since he will likely take more votes from Dems than Republicans.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    1. boiling water to the face is the end of any persons ability to shoot.
    2. It's not about property, its about disrespect. Anyway, I work with "metals" and "3d modeling"
    3. Holding a cup of boiling water in your hand will not even register as a weapon to an armed robber.
    They might just blindly shoot in your direction.

    All I am saying is that this isn't a movie. Do what you want/need to do to defend yourself, of course, but you're liable to get people killed if it isn't hot enough or by chance doesn't blind the perpetrator.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    The Neocons and Never Trumpers in both parties are salivating over the prospect of Amash running third party. His support from that contingent says allot about Amash. If he does they are going to be in for a surprise since he will likely take more votes from Dems than Republicans.
    Shhh! Don't tell them!

    XD

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    They might just blindly shoot in your direction.

    All I am saying is that this isn't a movie. Do what you want/need to do to defend yourself, of course, but you're liable to get people killed if it isn't hot enough or by chance doesn't blind the perpetrator.
    Have you ever been maced? I have, multiple times. Once the mace kicks in, you can pull the trigger, but you aren't hitting anybody. Boiling water is instantaneous, (mace takes about 15 - 20 seconds) and you dont even have to aim, chances of hitting are high.

    The drawback is if there are two robbers, 1 cup would not work.

  32. #88
    In my mind, both Amash and Rand have demonstrated conviction when it has counted. Their actions speak volumes. Most politicians cave to the whims of the establishment/deep state, promising one thing and doing something completely opposite... Most politicians have been on several sides of every issue, with the current position being the most expedient for their interests (read, no principle)... I see Trump as one of those politicians, with Hillary's indictment being a sole issue to secure my vote for him as president. The guy, plain and simple, is full of sh!t...

    Anyhow, I'd rather struggle to find nits to pick with a candidate than redeeming factors and excuses. Flaws and all, Amash and Rand have my support - they're the real deal, they support liberty and are willing to stick their necks out for the cause. If we could get just 25 more politicians of their caliber, things would be a whole lot different.

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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    At the very least he did not contribute to supporting policies that will reverse everything Amash has done on that front. Wake up, Amash spent his career supporting policies that will ensure a future of Democratic socialist victories and growing government. He continues to do so with his statements. This means all he has done in eight years to roll-back the police state means very little and no doubt will be rolled back eventually. Face it, he conned us.
    I wasn't too impressed with the last 150 years, to be completely honest.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    In my mind, both Amash and Rand have demonstrated conviction when it has counted. Their actions speak volumes. Most politicians cave to the whims of the establishment/deep state, promising one thing and doing something completely opposite... Most politicians have been on several sides of every issue, with the current position being the most expedient for their interests (read, no principle)... I see Trump as one of those politicians, with Hillary's indictment being a sole issue to secure my vote for him as president. The guy, plain and simple, is full of sh!t...

    Anyhow, I'd rather struggle to find nits to pick with a candidate than redeeming factors and excuses. Flaws and all, Amash and Rand have my support - they're the real deal, they support liberty and are willing to stick their necks out for the cause. If we could get just 25 more politicians of their caliber, things would be a whole lot different.
    Let's go ahead and throw Massie in there too.

    These are intelligent and capable people who quite probably would command a salary as much or more in the private sector. I feel bad for them, really.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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