View Poll Results: Will you still support Amash as an Independent?

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  1. #31
    Haha thank you. I was a tad worried coming back here. Most of my political discourse (such as it is) over the past couple of years has been on the comments section of the Yahoo news app. If you've not had the pleasure I'd avoid reading it. Most of the time the commentary is so ignorant it's literally impossible to discern what the opinion even is, let alone whether you agree with it or not!

    I think I lose an IQ point for every comment I read there. God help us.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    I'll be MORE likely to support him as an Independent. I have grown so disgusted with politics since Trump v Hilary that I didn't even vote last time. First time in my life skipping an election.

    To the extent the GOP is being remade in Trump's image, I really can't see ever supporting the party again.
    +rep

    And I've never supported either party- 2nd verse same as the first.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    I'll be MORE likely to support him as an Independent. I have grown so disgusted with politics since Trump v Hilary that I didn't even vote last time. First time in my life skipping an election.
    Ironically, it was the first election in decades that actually mattered.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    I'll be MORE likely to support him as an Independent. I have grown so disgusted with politics since Trump v Hilary that I didn't even vote last time. First time in my life skipping an election.

    To the extent the GOP is being remade in Trump's image, I really can't see ever supporting the party again.
    Amash electorally could not win and if he did his open border immigration policies will ensure he would be the final nail in the coffin for a limited government party candidate to get elected in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    Also, as far as whether his political career is over or not, one never knows. He could be the libertarian Bernie Sanders.
    That would pull most votes away from the Democrats and a small minority of NeverTrumpers in the Republican party. It would ensure a Trump Presidency so I suppose it really does not matter what Amash does.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I wish him the best of luck but he needs to overcome his TDS.
    Trump is Deranged..

    Amash is just one that sees it.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ironically, it was the first election in decades that actually mattered.
    choice between Hillary (Known Evil) and a Lifetime democrat and Hillary supporter who joked about running as a Republican,,, and then bought the Party Nomination.

    what part of the election mattered?

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Trump is Deranged..

    Amash is just one that sees it.
    Even if Amash believes that he made an obvious strategic mistake that cost him his political career. What possible good did that do? Answer, none and his seat could potentially end up in the wrong hands.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    choice between Hillary (Known Evil) and a Lifetime democrat and Hillary supporter who joked about running as a Republican,,, and then bought the Party Nomination.

    what part of the election mattered?
    Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

    Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

    We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet. He has also decreased our military presence in Syria. He has more work to do to bring more troops home, and that is all in his plans.

    Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

    Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

    Then we have the fact that every single day, Trump eats the mainstream media for lunch - the propaganda arm is really the biggest enemy of the people, and Trump is helping destroy them.

    If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.

    Do I think Mitt Romney would be better than Hillary? No. How about McCain? $#@! no. John Kerry? Bush? $#@! to the no.. I know what you are getting at with the whole "they are all the same" thing.. and 99% of politicians are the same.

    Trump is a million times better than Hillary, though. Sorry you can't see that.
    Last edited by dannno; 07-05-2019 at 04:28 PM.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

    Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

    We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet.

    Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

    Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

    If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.
    Gettingg rid of ISIS was supposed to be a gesture of good faith, since ISIS was designed and created to go after our enemies in the middle east and fuel arms races that make a lot of profits.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Even if Amash believes that he made an obvious strategic mistake that cost him his political career. What possible good did that do? Answer, none and his seat could potentially end up in the wrong hands.
    His Seat is in Michigan.

    California learned it from the Michigan Socialists.
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  14. #41
    Trump vs Hilary was the least important election in history, but Trump vs Biden might be even less important.

    Stay tuned for further developments.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

    Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

    We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet. He has also decreased our military presence in Syria. He has more work to do to bring more troops home, and that is all in his plans.

    Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

    Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

    Then we have the fact that every single day, Trump eats the mainstream media for lunch - the propaganda arm is really the biggest enemy of the people, and Trump is helping destroy them.

    If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.

    Do I think Mitt Romney would be better than Hillary? No. How about McCain? $#@! no. John Kerry? Bush? $#@! to the no.. I know what you are getting at with the whole "they are all the same" thing.. and 99% of politicians are the same.

    Trump is a million times better than Hillary, though. Sorry you can't see that.
    I'd give Trump a 4 on foreign policy. Maybe even 3.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    I'd give Trump a 4 on foreign policy. Maybe even 3.
    I'd say 5.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'd say 5.
    That's because you did not see Venezuela in the same light I do.
    I give him 1 for no new wars, and 1 for saying there is a military industrial complex, and 1 for saying he did not want to kill Iranian people.
    It's been a while since a president mentioned the MIC. And I don't think I have ever heard a president mention the toll of war dead on the other side. It's always about "American lives".

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    That's because you did not see Venezuela in the same light I do.
    I give him 1 for no new wars, and 1 for saying there is a military industrial complex, and 1 for saying he did not want to kill Iranian people.
    It's been a while since a president mentioned the MIC. And I don't think I have ever heard a president mention the toll of war dead on the other side. It's always about "American lives".
    It's because I am counting his Syrian withdrawal, his negotiations to withdraw from Afghanistan and and his fight back in the trade wars among many other things you aren't.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Well, I like the fact that we have a President who stands up against the military industrial complex for a change.

    Let's say Ron Paul is a 10 on foreign policy. Trump is still an 8. He still wants to bring our troops home, he thinks all the wars we are in were a waste of money. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to pull the troops out immediately whereas Trump wants to do it more strategically, and defeat ISIS first - we created ISIS, so it isn't totally unfair to ask us to get rid of that annoyance over there.

    We had 16,000 troops in Afghanistan when Trump took office, now we are down to 9,000 and Trump is not done yet. He has also decreased our military presence in Syria. He has more work to do to bring more troops home, and that is all in his plans.

    Hillary is a 1 or a 2 on foreign policy. The military industrial complex is a 1 on foreign policy on a scale of 10. I'll take an 8 over a 1 or 2 any day of the week.

    Then we got a really good tax break, we got significant decreases in regulations and bureaucracy. With Hillary we would have seen tax increases and more government employees and more bureaucracy.

    Then we have the fact that every single day, Trump eats the mainstream media for lunch - the propaganda arm is really the biggest enemy of the people, and Trump is helping destroy them.

    If your idea of what is "better" than Hillary is Ron Paul, and nothing but Ron Paul, then you have a very skewed view on what preferences are and how life works.

    Do I think Mitt Romney would be better than Hillary? No. How about McCain? $#@! no. John Kerry? Bush? $#@! to the no.. I know what you are getting at with the whole "they are all the same" thing.. and 99% of politicians are the same.

    Trump is a million times better than Hillary, though. Sorry you can't see that.
    So basically when its all said and done, Trump will have a 10 in foreign policy by the time his presidency is done.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    62% support for Amash!
    62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates. As smart as he is I suspect he understands this and if that is the case he is a sham to coral the ignorant to their own demise.

    What also does it say about those that put the interests of foreign citizens over our own?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates.

    Yes, yes, we know your priorities.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Yes, yes, we know your priorities.
    As well as your priority to grow government and a future of Democratic party victories.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    62% do not understand that despite Amash's record on everything else, his immigration policies contribute to a future of a demographic that will make it impossible to elect limited government candidates. As smart as he is I suspect he understands this and if that is the case he is a sham to coral the ignorant to their own demise.

    What also does it say about those that put the interests of foreign citizens over our own?
    Correction, not "everything" else. There are other policies where Amash let libertarians down. For example:

    Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.
    Amash Voted "No".
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-.../house-bill/38
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll663.xml

    H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    Amash - Voted "No"
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/2
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

    Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
    Feb. 26, 2019
    Amash - Voted Yes
    H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-resolution/46
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll094.xml

    Overriding President Trump’s veto of a bill that overturned his emergency declaration for border wall funding (248-181)
    March 26
    Amash - Voted Yes
    H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-resolution/46
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll127.xml

    Constitutional balanced budget amendment (233-184)
    April 12, 2018
    Amash - Voted No
    H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/2
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

    Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195)
    June 29, 2017
    Amash - Voted No

    H.R.3003 - No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/3003
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll342.xml

    Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
    Jan. 13, 2017
    Amash - Voted No
    S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/3
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml

    Repeal of an FCC rule barring internet providers from sharing data on customers’ activities (215-205)
    March 28, 2017
    Amash - Voted No
    S.J.Res.34 - A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to "Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services".
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-resolution/34
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml

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    Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
    Jan. 13, 2017
    Amash - Voted No
    S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/3
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml
    That would be enough for me to dismiss him...when the chance to repeal one of the worst acts ever passed, he folded.

    Unless this is some congressional bull$#@! where no means yes

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Correction, not "everything" else. There are other policies where Amash let libertarians down. For example:

    Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.
    Amash Voted "No".
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-.../house-bill/38
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll663.xml

    H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    Amash - Voted "No"
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/2
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml


    H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
    Feb. 26, 2019
    Amash - Voted Yes
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-resolution/46
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll094.xml

    Overriding President Trump’s veto of a bill that overturned his emergency declaration for border wall funding (248-181)
    March 26
    Amash - Voted Yes
    H.J.Res.46 - Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...-resolution/46
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll127.xml

    Constitutional balanced budget amendment (233-184)
    April 12, 2018
    Amash - Voted No
    H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/2
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll138.xml

    Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195)
    June 29, 2017
    Amash - Voted No

    H.R.3003 - No Sanctuary for Criminals Act
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/3003
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll342.xml

    Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198)
    Jan. 13, 2017
    Amash - Voted No
    S.Con.Res.3 - A concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...t-resolution/3
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll058.xml

    Repeal of an FCC rule barring internet providers from sharing data on customers’ activities (215-205)
    March 28, 2017
    Amash - Voted No
    S.J.Res.34 - A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to "Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services".
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-resolution/34
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml

    Bringing @Anti Federalist into the loop.


    I will just touch on a few of these for starters:


    1.)

    Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

    The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights.


    2.)

    H.J.Res.2 - Proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    Amash - Voted "No"

    Creating the all-powerful federal government by Amendment

    Amendments supersede all language to the contrary in the existing Constitution. For example, the 13th Amendment superseded provisions within Article I, Section 2, clause 3 & Article IV, Section 2, clause 3 which were inconsistent with the 13th Amendment.

    So a BBA, which would authorize Congress to spend money on whatever they or the President decide to put into the budget, would supersede the list of enumerated powers in our Constitution.

    .
    .
    .
    Conclusion

    A BBA would have the opposite effect of what you have been told. Instead of limiting the federal government, it legalizes spending which is now unconstitutional as outside the scope of the enumerated powers; transforms the federal government into one which has power over whatever they decide to spend money on; and does nothing to reduce federal spending.


    Continue:

    https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/...get-amendment/

    3.)

    Overturning President Trump’s emergency declaration for border wall funding (245-182)
    Feb. 26, 2019
    Amash - Voted Yes


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    8 (h) REFUGEE ASSISTANCE IN NORTH AFRICA.-Not
    9 later than 45 days after enactment of this Act, the Secretary
    10 of State, after consultation with the United Nations
    11 High Commissioner for Refugees and the Executive Direc-
    12 tor of the World Food Programme, shall submit a report
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    Last edited by PAF; 07-06-2019 at 01:46 PM.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Bringing @Anti Federalist into the loop.


    I will just touch on a few of these for starters:


    1.)

    Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

    The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights
    Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

    I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

    I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

    I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

    I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.
    To be fair, he did vote FOR military tranny surgeries and hormone therapy.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, I am aware of the issues with federally mandated permits, especially in CCC states like NH.

    I have no issue with his no vote on this. As nice as it would be to stick it states like NJ and NY, the downsides would be worth it.

    I am genuinely surprised at his no vote on defunding ACA.
    I remember reading it at the time and will have to reread again it to make certain so that I am not in error. But I recall it was during that time when republicans were talking about "repeal and replace", which did nothing under the covers, and was pathetic.


    Bills these days are hundreds, thousands of pages which makes interpreting the "legal jargon" a challenge. One of the things that I advocate are returning the bills to one single issue so that we know exactly what is in them.
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  32. #57
    Double post.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Even if Amash believes that he made an obvious strategic mistake that cost him his political career. What possible good did that do? Answer, none and his seat could potentially end up in the wrong hands.
    THIS and as someone who lives in his district I'm really disappointed to lose someone with such a (most of the time) good voting record. I've got to get cracking and get familiar with those running in the primary and hope that one, at least, is a true conservative. Some are just never Trumpers. Amash's open borders stance and siding with serial lairs like Andrew Weissman is unforgivable, for me. I would have to hold my nose to vote for him, again, and it would have been purely to stop a Democrap from getting in there. Sad ending.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I remember reading it at the time and will have to reread again it to make certain so that I am not in error. But I recall it was during that time when republicans were talking about "repeal and replace", which did nothing under the covers, and was pathetic.


    Bills these days are hundreds, thousands of pages which makes interpreting the "legal jargon" a challenge. One of the things that I advocate are returning the bills to one single issue so that we know exactly what is in them.

    Years ago, I wrote an email to Justin, Rand and someone else (can't recall now, asking someone to please introduce a "truth in legislation act", requiring legislation to be wholly written by the legislator introducing the bill; limiting the scope to one issue; limiting number of pages to ten; requiring common language and no legalese and a few other things I can't remember. Never heard back from anyone.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    1.)

    Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines.

    The 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need. I am not aware of the 2nd Amendment talking about any other permits. Unless people feel that "bills" should supersede the Bill of Rights.
    I believe in states rights in an ideal world but this is a war where the states are locking people up for crossing state lines with a firearm. This is less than an ideal solution but what better way to fight this war and stop the states from trampling on 2nd amendment rights? Do we wait years for the Supreme Court while people sit in jail while our countrymen are disarmed?

    The left has thrown out the rule book while we are playing by the rule book. Sure fire way to lose the country to them.

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