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    Will you still support Justin as an Independent?

    Will you send him money and support? Vote now and post in here what your thinking...



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    I wish him the best of luck but he needs to overcome his TDS.
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    If you look at 1984 and brave New world as a template for how you want the country to be than by all means don't support Trump. Both of those authors invisioned an America that is post capitalism. I am going to support whatever candidate that rejects socialism and has a chance at winning, right now that happens to be Trump. I didn't put myself in this corner but I will fight to bone to keep the socialists from taking over.

  5. #4
    I supported him in the past and I still get letters from his office for funds. I really like him and the votes he supported and also the way he tried to explain his rationale for each vote. This was a kind of transparency unheard of in Washington. But this move now makes me question his judgement and he now needs to come up with one heck of an explanation before I get to the level of financially supporting him.

    I will still vote for him if I was in his district cos I can bet that a 99% certainty that he would be better than whoever his opponent is
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  6. #5
    The criticism I'm seeing on here is really bizarre. He's fed up with the system where everything is controlled by the President and the two congressional leaders. If you read his Op-Ed, he doesn't mention impeachment or even Trump. I don't know what his thoughts are, but my impression is that he can help buck the system by getting re-elected as an independent. It doesn't sound like he cares to be re-elected if he has to do it by continuing to play this "game".
    Last edited by EBounding; 07-07-2019 at 11:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    The criticism I'm seeing on here is really bizarre. He's fed up with the system where everything is controlled by the President and the two congressional leaders. If you read his Op-Ed, he doesn't mention impeachment or even Trump. I don't know what his thoughts are, but my impression is that he can help buck the system by getting re-elected as an independent. It doesn't sound like he cares to be re-elected if he has to do it by continuing to play this "game".
    Unlike most of the whores in office he doesn't need to be elected or even be part of the government-corporate revolving door.
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    Yes. I would also support him if he bought the side of a mountain in Wyoming.
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    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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  9. #8
    I think the poll unintentionally pigeonholes people. Viable seats when funds are limited are typically where my money goes. Votes are cheap so I wouldn't have a problem with voting for him.

    From the looks of things if he runs in 2020 he'll be the best candidate. I doubt Rand is gonna challenge Trump and will continue using his foothold and platform in the Senate to advance issues as best as possible. I think, however, it will be very telling if Amash does run as an independent and snatches more votes from the GOP than the democrats. I know people here like to think that the democrats are gonna break rank and come out to support him, but in my experience the only real debate about limited government, at least on the on the voter-level (meaning: not among the leadership), happens on the right, especially these days. Most of your average democrat voters just aren't at the point of frustration that they'll leave and go 3rd party/indy. They might stop supporting democrats but that doesn't mean you just add water and they become champions for smaller government. More than likely they'll end up wandering off to whatever forgotten universe the paleoconservatives went to die. (I really thought the left's walk-away movement was gonna be big but ultimately it was kind of disappointing. That's why I argue that pandering to the left is a bit dumb. Risk vs. gain just doesn't justify it.)
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 07-04-2019 at 01:09 PM.
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    Justin is just too dang good to be a REAL Republican or Democrat, did the right thing in leaving.

    Last edited by RonZeplin; 07-04-2019 at 01:36 PM.
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    Support in what? Running for reelection for his current seat?

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  14. #12
    Of course.

    I'm not a Neo Con OR a Zio Con.


  15. #13
    Nope, he can't win as an independent, especially after the impeachment stunt.
    I don't have much money but I might have given him some if he stayed a Republican.

    Whether you are talking about his House seat or the presidency all he will do now is help the communists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    If you look at 1984 and brave New world as a template for how you want the country to be than by all means don't support Trump. Both of those authors invisioned an America that is post capitalism. I am going to support whatever candidate that rejects socialism and has a chance at winning, right now that happens to be Trump. I didn't put myself in this corner but I will fight to bone to keep the socialists from taking over.
    Dude- we are already post capitalism. Real capitalism is free trade, freedom to operate a business as you would wish, and real money.

    All the rabble about socialism/communists etc is a ruse to keep us all fighting with each other while the last vestige of liberty blows away. Everyone is so indoctrinated & so in the Matrix that they fight to keep their prison walls secure, w/o a clue where they really are.
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    Trump is an Israel bootlicking, ass sucker, but I don't support nor trust anyone like
    asshat who sought headlines and recognition , jumping on the impeach Trump bandwagon,
    entertained impeachment 'because' , fk Ashole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Dude- we are already post capitalism. Real capitalism is free trade, freedom to operate a business as you would wish, and real money.

    All the rabble about socialism/communists etc is a ruse to keep us all fighting with each other while the last vestige of liberty blows away. Everyone is so indoctrinated & so in the Matrix that they fight to keep their prison walls secure, w/o a clue where they really are.
    Why do people invest their money here if there is no capitalism?



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  20. #17
    I’m sure the whole story isn’t out yet. I don’t give money to politicians. They steal it from me, but there you go. I just don’t see that all the bridge burning is going to lead to anything good. He has really shot himself in the foot.
    Do something Dodgers.

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    He has completely destroyed and wasted any cachet he had built throughout his political career. Even if he wins -- which is unlikely at this point-- his ability to get anything done has been, at best, severely limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    He has completely destroyed and wasted any cachet he had built throughout his political career. Even if he wins -- which is unlikely at this point-- his ability to get anything done has been, at best, severely limited.
    He has no chance unless he goes pro-choice.
    The best he can do is stink it up for the R, so a D can win.
    It doesn't matter any more. He has no chance, and whoever wins is going to suck.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I supported him in the past and I still get letters from his office for funds. I really like him and the votes he supported and also the way he tried to explain his rationale for each vote. This was a kind of transparency unheard of in Washington. But this move now makes me question his judgement and he now needs to come up with one heck of an explanation before I get to the level of financially supporting him.

    I will still vote for him if I was in his district cos I can bet that a 99% certainty that he would be better than whoever his opponent is
    This is essentially my same thoughts.

    If I could vote for him I Would but until he shows he actually wants to win and has a realistic plan of it, financial support is not likely.

    He could be working with trump and getting things done like rand is, instead he made an enemy of the president. And the democrats won't love him, so where is the upside to anything he's been doing lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    He has completely destroyed and wasted any cachet he had built throughout his political career. Even if he wins -- which is unlikely at this point-- his ability to get anything done has been, at best, severely limited.
    Ron never got anything done, yet here we are.
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  25. #22
    Support by voting for him if I lived there ? Yes . Giving money ? probably not as anything other than GOP .
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    He should run as a Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbleboy View Post
    He should run as a Democrat.
    The left and the NeverTrumpers want him to run as a Libertarian candidate for President. A miscalculation if they think it will hurt Trump. What it would do is split the NeverTrump vote in both parties and take more votes away from Democrats since too many Democrats are fed up with how far left the party has gone. It is more likely they will vote for Trump than Amash.

    Justin Amash is the anti-Ron Paul
    He’s teaching libertarians how to lose
    https://spectator.us/justin-amash-anti-ron-paul/
    What Ron Paul did was to counteract neoconservatism in the Republican party with libertarianism and populism. Populism proved to be more potent, but libertarianism itself contributed important elements to populism, including an articulate anti-interventionist foreign policy and a sense of class warfare as about power, not just wealth. Amash was never comfortable with populism, but libertarianism without it has no market at all. The Washington Post and the NeverTrump neocons share Amash’s animosity toward Trump and the populist right, but they share even fewer of his professed principles than Trump does. Ron Paul won despite losing; Amash teaches libertarians simply how to lose by losing.



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    Didn't vote but poll results are pretty predictable.
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  30. #26
    I'll be MORE likely to support him as an Independent. I have grown so disgusted with politics since Trump v Hilary that I didn't even vote last time. First time in my life skipping an election.

    To the extent the GOP is being remade in Trump's image, I really can't see ever supporting the party again.
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    Also, as far as whether his political career is over or not, one never knows. He could be the libertarian Bernie Sanders.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    This is essentially my same thoughts.

    If I could vote for him I Would but until he shows he actually wants to win and has a realistic plan of it, financial support is not likely.

    He could be working with trump and getting things done like rand is, instead he made an enemy of the president. And the democrats won't love him, so where is the upside to anything he's been doing lately?
    Yeah, this is kind of my thinking at the moment, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    I'll be MORE likely to support him as an Independent. I have grown so disgusted with politics since Trump v Hilary that I didn't even vote last time. First time in my life skipping an election.

    To the extent the GOP is being remade in Trump's image, I really can't see ever supporting the party again.
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