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  1. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Have you ever changed your mind in your life? How about changed any opinions you held in 1999? Trump seems to have re-thought or actually thought deeply about this issue and sincerely changed his position.
    Yes I have but the older I get, the more hardened I get with my beliefs. And when it comes to something connected to my value system, those are definitely the hardest to change. The idea that Trump the politician in his 70s will change his views to be in line with that of Christian, family oriented, Midwest values is not believable. I believe that in his heart of hearts, he hates abortions but supports it. For a womanizer like him without any out of wedlock children, you have to imagine that he has paid for a few procedures himself.
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  3. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    I rest my case.
    I'm still not sure what you found offensive.



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  5. #273
    look up the definition of pilpul, folks. google is not your friend for this one.

  6. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes I have but the older I get, the more hardened I get with my beliefs. And when it comes to something connected to my value system, those are definitely the hardest to change. The idea that Trump the politician in his 70s will change his views to be in line with that of Christian, family oriented, Midwest values is not believable. I believe that in his heart of hearts, he hates abortions but supports it. For a womanizer like him without any out of wedlock children, you have to imagine that he has paid for a few procedures himself.
    You need to forget what you think you know about Trump. Thats the biggest problem people who are anti Trump have with Trump. Trump has been doing perception managment his entire life for himself trying to cultivate a populist image of himself to appeal to the most people. He used to even use an alter ego to pretend to be someone else in order to promote him in the press. He is not a partisan, he is the most independent president we have had it in our lifetimes.

  7. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You need to forget what you think you know about Trump. Thats the biggest problem people who are anti Trump have with Trump. Trump has been doing perception managment his entire life for himself trying to cultivate a populist image of himself to appeal to the most people. He used to even use an alter ego to pretend to be someone else in order to promote him in the press. He is not a partisan, he is the most independent president we have had it in our lifetimes.
    He isn't very good. That he's not as bad as Obama or Bush still means he isn't very good. Oh and he lies over policy too much. Is that what perception management means? Another name for lying? I don't need a buzz word or some new phrase to know he can't be trusted and that over all he's not very good. When he does do good things it needs to be mentioned. That said, overall, he's still horse$#@!.
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  8. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    He isn't very good. That he's not as bad as Obama or Bush still means he isn't very good. Oh and he lies over policy too much. Is that what perception management means? Another name for lying? I don't need a buzz word or some new phrase to know he can't be trusted and that over all he's not very good. When he does do good things it needs to be mentioned. That said, overall, he's still horse$#@!.
    You have to look at it from a marketing perspective. You want to market your product to the most amount of people to get the most capital.

  9. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You have to look at it from a marketing perspective. You want to market your product to the most amount of people to get the most capital.
    So not lying but bullshitting? He's still bad lol

    Trumps ego is so big, he even made himself the topic of this thread.
    go small or go home
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  10. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    So not lying but bullshitting? He's still bad lol

    Trumps ego is so big, he even made himself the topic of this thread.
    You have to understand that his ego is so big, that he is so vain that he would not be dragging his name through the mud unless it was selfless.

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  12. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I ask you the same question...

    Furthermore, I don't think you have much room to talk.

    You are so rigidly wedded to ideology that you'd let your own town burn to the ground rather than allow hoses and fire equipment to be dragged across your property without your permission.
    Standing on principle is most important to me, especially regarding NAP and Property Rights. The ďdo as I say, not as I doĒ approach is not something that I respect, and the people who learn/teach that are what has helped cause the spiral down into loss of liberty.

    If I told you that I live in a neighborhood where 99% were extreme socialist democrats would your position change?



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  14. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm not going to spend any time researching the intricacies of the TPP claim since you didn't even get the Paris Accord claim correct.
    I'll spare you: We were never part of the TPP.

  15. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes I have but the older I get, the more hardened I get with my beliefs. And when it comes to something connected to my value system, those are definitely the hardest to change. The idea that Trump the politician in his 70s will change his views to be in line with that of Christian, family oriented, Midwest values is not believable. I believe that in his heart of hearts, he hates abortions but supports it. For a womanizer like him without any out of wedlock children, you have to imagine that he has paid for a few procedures himself.
    Perhaps he always had more conservative beliefs but spoke the party line in order to avoid political persecution in New York?
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  16. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I'll spare you: We were never part of the TPP.
    We were well into the process of joining.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 07-05-2019 at 04:57 PM.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  17. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by cruzrulez View Post
    look up the definition of pilpul, folks. google is not your friend for this one.
    What Is Pilpul , And Why On Earth Should I Care About It?

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We well into the process of joining.
    TPP was always on the table to get China to make a deal with us. Trump threw it off the table because he thought he could use throwing it off the table as leverage. Everyone who ever takes over leadership always thinks they can do things differently and won't have to play ball. Like Rand said in the debates TPP was just designed to counter China, it was anti China.

  19. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Perhaps he always had more conservative beliefs but spoke the party line in order to avoid political persecution in New York?
    He said he supported abortion in the third trimester. This late type abortion is even unpopular with many liberals. If he was pretending, why go that far? I think its way more believable that he was a real liberal (with some conservative values) but decided to pretend to be a conservative when he realized that he could win with them.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  20. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He said he supported abortion in the third trimester. This late type abortion is even unpopular with many liberals. If he was pretending, why go that far? I think its way more believable that he was a real liberal (with some conservative values) but decided to pretend to be a conservative when he realized that he could win with them.
    You can't work in a lot of industries if you aren't part of the club. The guy who played Hercules in the 90's tv show and the guy from wedding crashers got that treatment.

  21. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    TPP was always on the table to get China to make a deal with us. Trump threw it off the table because he thought he could use throwing it off the table as leverage. Everyone who ever takes over leadership always thinks they can do things differently and won't have to play ball. Like Rand said in the debates TPP was just designed to counter China, it was anti China.
    It was globalist whether it was pro or anti China.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He said he supported abortion in the third trimester. This late type abortion is even unpopular with many liberals. If he was pretending, why go that far? I think its way more believable that he was a real liberal (with some conservative values) but decided to pretend to be a conservative when he realized that he could win with them.
    He didn't have to placate average liberals, he had to please radicals in NYC politics and the entertainment industry.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It was globalist whether it was pro or anti China.
    Yep, offload jobs and make more profits in the TPP countries instead of China because they were becoming a threat.

  25. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    You mean if Susano talks about Sweden I can't say what my friends there have told me?

    Whodda thunk!
    You should engage The Foreigner. He has a YouTube channel (soon to be banned, no doubt) He is not a native to Sweden, but has lived there for a long time.
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  26. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You have to understand that his ego is so big, that he is so vain that he would not be dragging his name through the mud unless it was selfless.
    I understand what he's about. I watched The Apprentice shows and the debates.
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  27. #293
    I think we have found someone whose ego is larger than Trump's. He wanted me to take time out of celebrating America's secession and the spirit of '76 to care about his hissy fit? Screw him.

  28. #294
    "As I suspected, he wants to retire, and apparently he is going down in a blaze of glory on his way out the door. "

    (Sigh...) The Ron Paul Revolution eats its young, just like all revolutions.

    I'm not naive to understand he faces an uphill battle to get renominated in a GOP primary. But if he's able to win the support of what Dems there are in his district plus his Republican supporters and independents, he has a chance to pull out a win in a three-way contest.

    Notice he didn't switch to the LP and he's smart not to do that. The bottom line is libertarians have no place in today's Republican Party (which Amash found out just by talking to Republicans locally) and joining an LP which couldn't get get Republican voters to choose two two-term(!) governors heading its ticket in 2016, - n not Starchild, Chief Wana Dubie of Augustus Invictus - only demonstrates there's just no future in that option.

    What's needed is a new major political party for all those who are fed up with the extremes of identity politics and want a party and candidate and issues which transcends the polarization in our politics. Considering where we are now such a party would be considered "centrist" by the pundits but which one which could lean to the center5-right but still attract a broad-base of support, even from liberals, with the right issue emphasis and positions. I think that's what Amash and a lot of people are really looking for and hopefully if Amash is re-elected, can help develop.

    Who knows, maybe Massie will join him considering what Republicans are trying to do to him in Kentucky. You know Rand, Rand the Company Man could put a stop to it with an endorsement. We'll see.

  29. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    I think we have found someone whose ego is larger than Trump's. He wanted me to take time out of celebrating America's secession and the spirit of '76 to care about his hissy fit? Screw him.
    I thought his timing was tasteless as well.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    That's all real nice and I agree with George Washington. It was so good of Justin to use the NWO paper of record, that hates our constitution, to publish his agreement with our first president. That said, did he just fall off the turnip truck? Since when has the Republican Party been about limited government and all of that other good stuff? Not in my lifetime. They're just a tad better than Democraps in that regard. Was it US policy in central and south America, propping up dictators and regimes that tortured dissidents that made Justin think the Republican Party was all about freedom and limited govt? Maybe Desert Storm, initiated by Mr New World Order himself, Bush 41? Perhaps the Iraq war and Bush 43? The massive deficits? The militarism of the neocons? Democraps are the ideological descendants of the Bolsheviks but Republicans sure as hell have never been Jeffersonian so I find his farewell to the GOP to be insincere or, maybe, kind of ideologically delusional because it doesn't reflect reality.

    All that aside, there was no Russia "collusion" and no matter how distasteful Justin finds Trump, he's done nothing impeachable. By endorsing the sham Mueller report , Justin aligned himself with those who cooked that fraud up (talk about doing ANYTHING to retain power). I would have respected him more if he'd just said he'd done some soul searching, realized he's a Libertarian, opposes US sovereignty and supports open borders and went on his way. I'm very glad he's done this, though, because Democrats would have assured his win in the primary.

    I hate our partisan system and wish that anyone who runs for office would have to do so in under their name only without party affiliation. That's not what we have, though. What we DO have is a country teetering on the edge of going full on Marxist, thanks to immigration policies that allowed a fifth column into this country, and Justin wants more of that. We're in death spiral, alright, and even the all powerful (snark) Trump can barely keep it at bay.
    Exactly. This is a well planned lawyer dork battle plan. He had all the numbers calculated like a simulation. He's trying to grab a seat as an independent. This is like his professional attempt at wooing republicans, so he can unite with the left. It will fail.

    Somebody want to prove to me their credentials, and I can give full psych evaluation. He is not very bright. Hopefully he can plead stupidity when explaining why he ignored the fully documented abuses against Trump, but still somehow decided Trump should be impeached for farcical reasons.
    But in all reality, he will be irrelevant forever. Nobody is going to care what he pleads.



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  32. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We were well into the process of joining.
    Joining what? The TPP doesn't exist.

  33. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Standing on principle is most important to me, especially regarding NAP and Property Rights. The “do as I say, not as I do” approach is not something that I respect, and the people who learn/teach that are what has helped cause the spiral down into loss of liberty.

    If I told you that I live in a neighborhood where 99% were extreme socialist democrats would your position change?
    I'd say you need to move to a better town.

  34. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Joining what? The TPP doesn't exist.
    Because Trump pulled the plug.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  35. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    https://www.constitutionparty.com/co...state-parties/

    Mr Mohr,

    I have recently become aware that Mr. Justin Amash is leaving the GOP as a representative of Michigan.

    I writing to see if yourself or the Constitution Party has considered welcoming Mr. Amash to The Constitution Party to help further the cause of Liberty. Perhaps in the near future as a possible future candidate for the office of the presidency.

    Sincerly,





    Let's see if the Constitution Party likes him.

    Reply from Mr. Mohr, Michigan Constitution Party:

    Representative Amash has made no indication that he is willing to align with any political party at this point. I have approached him in the past about it, but was met with much resistance. His position on the life issue is troubling, but whether or not he is willing to change his position to pro-life has yet to be seen. He is, for the most part, one who adheres to the constitution.

    There are many pros and cons to Mr. Amash. I expect to be in contact with him when the dust settles.

    William (Bill) Mohr
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    2 + 2 = 5.

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