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    Thumbs down Thomas Massie targeted by establishment next year

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/03/kentucky-primary-election-2020-representative-thomas-massie-may-have-challenger/1581919001/

    National Republicans may be maneuvering to unseat Kentucky's conservative darling, Massie
    Phillip M. Bailey - July 3, 2019

    U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie may be a darling among libertarians and constitutional conservatives, but the Kentucky Republican is the target of some who are actively recruiting a primary challenger for 2020.

    Two independent sources with knowledge of campaign discussions say state Rep. Kim Moser, R-Taylor Mill, is being groomed for a possible bid against the congressman, who has gained notoriety for opposing bipartisan measures big and small.

    Moser acknowledged in an interview with the Courier Journal that she's been approached by national party figures about taking on Massie in next year's Republican primary.
    ...
    The two sources, who requested anonymity, told the Courier Journal that U.S. Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., who has made putting more women in Congress a personal passion, was among those looking for a challenger for Massie.
    ...
    More: https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...er/1581919001/
    https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...er/1581919001/
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 07-03-2019 at 10:16 AM. Reason: Added article excerpt.
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    What? I can't imagine why?


    Oh, wait...

    Thomas Massie Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 99%


    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=M001184
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Massie won't go down that easily.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    The voters in Kentucky will decide. If he loses, its his own fault, stand with Rand.

    Edit: well I can't get strike through to work, whatevs, sorry for derailing the thread


    [Mod Edit] Wring person, not talking about Massie.
    Last edited by spudea; 07-03-2019 at 11:15 AM. Reason: Wrong person

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The voters in Kentucky will decide. If he loses, its his own fault, stand with Rand.
    His own fault because....what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The voters in Kentucky will decide. If he loses, its his own fault, stand with Rand.
    Doesn't your first sentence mean that if he loses it's the voters' fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The voters in Kentucky will decide. If he loses, its his own fault, stand with Rand.

    Say what?






    Thomas Massie Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 99%

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=M001184
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Say what?






    Thomas Massie Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 99%

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=M001184
    I think what Spudea is getting at is that Massie needs to be more pragmatic. If voting for liberty costs him his seat, then he should vote the wrong way in order to pander to voters so he can stay in office. If he doesn't, then it's his fault.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think what Spudea is getting at is that Massie needs to be more pragmatic. If voting for liberty costs him his seat, then he should vote the wrong way in order to pander to voters so he can stay in office. If he doesn't, then it's his fault.

    Ah, yes, the SS Logic thingamajig. I keep forgetting about the new site mission.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think what Spudea is getting at is that Massie needs to be more pragmatic. If voting for liberty costs him his seat, then he should vote the wrong way in order to pander to voters so he can stay in office. If he doesn't, then it's his fault.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ah, yes, the SS Logic thingamajig. I keep forgetting about the new site mission.
    Wrong. If you don't know what I'm referring to, using false speculation to impose a derogatory context is shameful troll behavior. Nice logic.
    Last edited by spudea; 07-03-2019 at 10:13 AM. Reason: Wrong person
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Wrong. If you don't know what I'm referring to, using false speculation to impose a derogatory context is shameful troll behavior. Nice logic.
    I don't know for sure what you were referring to. But I know your MO.

    The troll is the one coming here criticizing our candidates for not drinking enough of the Trump Kool Aid.

    And if you say things that aren't clear and leave people with no recourse but to speculate what you mean, then that's on you.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 07-03-2019 at 08:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Wrong. If you don't know what I'm referring to, using false speculation to impose a derogatory context is shameful troll behavior. Nice logic.

    What size shoe do you wear?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I don't know for sure what you were referring to. But I know your MO.

    The troll is the one coming here criticizing our candidates for not drinking enough of the Trump Kool Aid.

    And if you say things that aren't clear and leave people with no recourse but to speculate what you mean, then that's on you.
    He's been making several idiotic moves recently, such as leaving the house freedom caucus. Explain that one? Other candidates see weakness, I'm simply saying it's his fault. Maybe you disagree and that's fine.

    [Mod Edit] Wring person, not talking about Massie.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 07-03-2019 at 09:50 AM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    He's been making several idiotic moves recently, such as leaving the house freedom caucus. Explain that one? Other candidates see weakness, I'm simply saying it's his fault. Maybe you disagree and that's fine.
    Exactly. How can anyone expect to take him seriously as a "freedom" candidate when he isn't even part of the freedom caucus ???!!!?

    It's got the word "freedom" right in the name, and he wants nothing to do with it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    He's been making several idiotic moves recently, such as leaving the house freedom caucus. Explain that one? Other candidates see weakness, I'm simply saying it's his fault. Maybe you disagree and that's fine.
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash
    Beat me to it- thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    He's been making several idiotic moves recently, such as leaving the house freedom caucus. Explain that one?
    I see nothing to explain.

    Could you explain why you think that's idiotic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash
    Oh dang, yikes, thanks Josh.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash
    If this wiki page is accurate, then Massie was never even a part of the House Freedom Caucus in the first place.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus#Membership

    The relative merits of Amash and Massie may be debatable. But however they're measured, I can't see how membership in that group should be a factor here at all.

    ETA: This article even says that Massie "refuses to join the House Freedom Caucus."
    https://www.conservativereview.com/n...eak-wants-rep/

    So if Amash leaving it is "idiotic," what does that imply about Massie's refusal to join it?
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 07-03-2019 at 09:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash

    And just to be crystal clear @spudea :


    Amash told CNN’s Haley Byrd, “I have the highest regard for them, and they’re my close friends. I didn’t want to be a further distraction for the group.”

    https://ijr.com/amash-opts-leave-fre...g-impeachment/


    Justin Amash Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=A000367


    So until though very unlikely his record dips below 90%, he still has my full support.
    Last edited by PAF; 07-03-2019 at 09:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    [s]The voters in Kentucky will decide. If he loses, its his own fault, stand with Rand Trump.[/s]

    fify. I assume that is what you meant to say because I bet that sentence becomes invalid the second Rand starts calling for impeachment or abandons party allegiance and start opposing Trump on principle
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    fify. I assume that is what you meant to say because I bet that sentence becomes invalid the second Rand starts calling for impeachment or abandons party allegiance and start opposing Trump on principle
    +rep

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    Nice tracking link there.

    Link with no tracking:
    https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...er/1581919001/

    Can’t imagine a New York backed candidate would have much luck in Kentucky, but the average voter is pretty ignorant...

    The two sources, who requested anonymity, told the Courier Journal that U.S. Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., who has made putting more women in Congress a personal passion, was among those looking for a challenger for Massie.
    You can bet Karl Rove would be involved if he thought they had a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    And just to be crystal clear @spudea :


    Amash told CNN’s Haley Byrd, “I have the highest regard for them, and they’re my close friends. I didn’t want to be a further distraction for the group.”

    https://ijr.com/amash-opts-leave-fre...g-impeachment/


    Justin Amash Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=A000367


    So until though very unlikely his record dips below 90%, he still has my full support.
    He just wants to see objectivity on this forum, give the guy a break. After all Amash did side with the traitors against the Orange God Emperor. 90% means nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    As is regularly pointed out on this forum, Trump is an idiot, a liar, and regularly uses bloated exaggeration so why would anyone put much stock into what he says? I think it's easy to figure Trump out. Sorry you are still confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    You are thinking of Justin Amash, not Thomas Massie.

    Massie > Amash
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    There is no way Massie is going down. We will not stand for it!

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    Massie needs to run for McConnell's Senate seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think what Spudea is getting at is that Massie needs to be more pragmatic. If voting for liberty costs him his seat, then he should vote the wrong way in order to pander to voters so he can stay in office. If he doesn't, then it's his fault.
    Politicians = Pandering at your service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    You can't even handle freedom in the fake world.
    2 + 2 = 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I see this as more proof the GOP has lost its way. They are not in our camp, (nor the Dems) when will we learn that?
    The GOP lost it's way when they ran Ape Lincoln, resulting in the enslavement of The Confederate States of America, as well as the Yankees in the north.

    We all on the plantation now.

    GOP freedom index = -100
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